Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Hi I see that a detox of liver is essential. It talks about a 5 days lover cleanse. But underneath it mentions cofee enemas. Is it possible my mother heal from pancreatic cancer, if she does the 5 days cleanse(1/per month if needed) and take many of the supplements, but without coffee enemas? thanks Olivier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Hi Slavek, what about using BaselineNutritionals.com complete detox liver/kidney/blood detox package? Could that be a sort of decent(even if not as good) replacement for enemas? Im asking because even tho i want to be open and hopefull, i would say its almsot certain(99.9999%) that my mother wont agree to do enemas. -And if your answer is no, would taking all the supplements (after taking the full detox package above, and also doing the 5 days cleanse once a month) be dangerous for her? -And if so, what do i do then, if she doesnt want to do enemas but is willing to take supplements? Say no its not possible and let her die? no alternative, even if not as good as enemas? Just let her die? Also, yes, if you would kindly share your enema instructions with me, i would at least have them if a miracle happens and my mother want to do enemas. But to be honest, im not sure i would have the guts myself to insert something so long inside of me, as i would fear damaging myself internally. thanks Slavek Olivier oleander soup , slavek krepelka <slavek.krepelka wrote: > > Hi Oliver, > > When you do a body detox, enemas, coffee or otherwise are essential. I > know it from my own experience. I have run a 19 day water fast to do the > most severe detox there probably is. It has to go with two, preferably > double enemas a day. You miss one, and you are sorry you did, because it > will make your situation more than noticeably worse. Part of the content > of the colon, and that means the toxins the body dumped there, keep > reabsorbing back. > > Technically it is not such a big deal. I was worried in the beginning > that I would mess up the bathroom pretty good, but it can be avoided. If > you want, I can post the method I used to keep everything nice and neat > and efficiently done without somebody else's help and it is only a > moderate exercise. > > It does not probably need to be coffee either, even though I have > nothing against it. I found out for myself, that what worked the best > for me was 1 quart water per enema, with an even tea spoon of sea salt > and one bag chamomile tea. Make the tea, fill to one quart with water, > salt it, stir it, baby formula temperature and off you go. Chamomile has > a very soothing effect and I found it working better for me than coffee. > Never the less, the important part is to keep removing the stuff from > the colon with any detox, otherwise the toxins go right back into the > system. > > With kind regards, Slavek, > > > > > hologrammy2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi > > I see that a detox of liver is essential. > > It talks about a 5 days lover cleanse. > > > > But underneath it mentions cofee enemas. > > > > Is it possible my mother heal from pancreatic > > cancer, if she does the 5 days cleanse(1/per month if needed) > > and take many of the supplements, but without coffee enemas? > > > > thanks > > Olivier > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Hi Oliver, When you do a body detox, enemas, coffee or otherwise are essential. I know it from my own experience. I have run a 19 day water fast to do the most severe detox there probably is. It has to go with two, preferably double enemas a day. You miss one, and you are sorry you did, because it will make your situation more than noticeably worse. Part of the content of the colon, and that means the toxins the body dumped there, keep reabsorbing back. Technically it is not such a big deal. I was worried in the beginning that I would mess up the bathroom pretty good, but it can be avoided. If you want, I can post the method I used to keep everything nice and neat and efficiently done without somebody else's help and it is only a moderate exercise. It does not probably need to be coffee either, even though I have nothing against it. I found out for myself, that what worked the best for me was 1 quart water per enema, with an even tea spoon of sea salt and one bag chamomile tea. Make the tea, fill to one quart with water, salt it, stir it, baby formula temperature and off you go. Chamomile has a very soothing effect and I found it working better for me than coffee. Never the less, the important part is to keep removing the stuff from the colon with any detox, otherwise the toxins go right back into the system. With kind regards, Slavek, hologrammy2002 wrote: > > > > Hi > I see that a detox of liver is essential. > It talks about a 5 days lover cleanse. > > But underneath it mentions cofee enemas. > > Is it possible my mother heal from pancreatic > cancer, if she does the 5 days cleanse(1/per month if needed) > and take many of the supplements, but without coffee enemas? > > thanks > Olivier > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Baseline Nutritionals is the exclusive dealer for Jon Barron formulas and one of the first companies I picked to affiliate with (so PLEASE follow our link whenever you buy from them!). Their detox products are the best, and I like many others a great deal too. However, just as coffee enemas are not a substitute for liver, gall bladder, kidney and/or colon cleanses, I do not think that any of their products are a substitute for coffee enemas when it comes to keeping the bile ducts open and flowing. Beetroot juice and coconut oil can help keep the bile ducts open and flowing, but nothing opens up the bile ducts like coffee enemas, yucky as they sound. All the best, oleander soup , "hologrammy2002" <micfo07 wrote:>> Hi Slavek,> what about using BaselineNutritionals.com complete detox liver/kidney/blood detox package?> > Could that be a sort of decent(even if not as good) replacement> for enemas?> > Im asking because even tho i want to be open and hopefull,> i would say its almsot certain(99.9999%) that my mother wont> agree to do enemas.> > -And if your answer is no, would taking all the supplements> (after taking the full detox package above, and also doing the 5 days cleanse once a month) be dangerous for her?> > -And if so, what do i do then, if she doesnt want to do enemas> but is willing to take supplements? Say no its not possible> and let her die? no alternative, even if not as good as enemas?> Just let her die?> > > > Also, yes, if you would kindly share your enema instructions with me,> i would at least have them if a miracle happens and my mother> want to do enemas.> > But to be honest, im not sure i would have the guts myself to insert> something so long inside of me, as i would fear damaging myself> internally.> > thanks Slavek> > Olivier> > oleander soup , slavek krepelka slavek.krepelka@ wrote:> >> > Hi Oliver,> > > > When you do a body detox, enemas, coffee or otherwise are essential. I> > know it from my own experience. I have run a 19 day water fast to do the> > most severe detox there probably is. It has to go with two, preferably> > double enemas a day. You miss one, and you are sorry you did, because it> > will make your situation more than noticeably worse. Part of the content> > of the colon, and that means the toxins the body dumped there, keep> > reabsorbing back.> > > > Technically it is not such a big deal. I was worried in the beginning> > that I would mess up the bathroom pretty good, but it can be avoided. If> > you want, I can post the method I used to keep everything nice and neat> > and efficiently done without somebody else's help and it is only a> > moderate exercise.> > > > It does not probably need to be coffee either, even though I have> > nothing against it. I found out for myself, that what worked the best> > for me was 1 quart water per enema, with an even tea spoon of sea salt> > and one bag chamomile tea. Make the tea, fill to one quart with water,> > salt it, stir it, baby formula temperature and off you go. Chamomile has> > a very soothing effect and I found it working better for me than coffee.> > Never the less, the important part is to keep removing the stuff from> > the colon with any detox, otherwise the toxins go right back into the> > system.> > > > With kind regards, Slavek,> > > > > > > > > > hologrammy2002 wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi> > > I see that a detox of liver is essential.> > > It talks about a 5 days lover cleanse.> > > > > > But underneath it mentions cofee enemas.> > > > > > Is it possible my mother heal from pancreatic> > > cancer, if she does the 5 days cleanse(1/per month if needed)> > > and take many of the supplements, but without coffee enemas?> > > > > > thanks> > > Olivier> > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Hi Tony, -So are you saying that if my mother wont do enemas, then i shouldnt get her to take any and all of the products as itll be dangerous? -Or maybe just take a few " safer " ones like curcumin and oleander, with a budwig diet? ...OR even then, it can be dangerous without enemas? Not saying she wont do enemas, but boy the challenge... If someone(nurse or whoever) could clearly show how so its safe... -If enemas are off the table for now, can she start with nutritional base liver detox package, and start using oleander, curcumin and black seed oil? OR enemas needs to be done right at the start, or at least absolutely later at some point, even with just those 3 supplements? -Hopefully, with all the blockages problems she had in the past, with stents installed(at bile duct and duodenum), hopefully those liver cleansing and the " bile regulators/facilators " supplements(curcumin etc) wont increase blockages, what you think? -Yes Tony, any product i buy, i will buy with your affiliate links for sure. : ) -Tony, not sure youve seen my 2 previous posts.. One has a simple short question, but the other has many questions. Hopefully this isnt too much(i put them all together so i have everything answered and not overwelming the group with too many posts). Here are the post, if you could get to them (i feel like im asking too much, but im soon getting over all my questions): http://health.oleander soup/message/17905 http://health.oleander soup/message/17906 you take care and thanks ton! Olivier oleander soup , "" wrote: > > > Baseline Nutritionals > <http://www.clixgalore.com/PSale.aspx?BID=20557 & AfID=96672 & AdID=3233> > is the exclusive dealer for Jon Barron formulas and one of the first > companies I picked to affiliate with (so PLEASE follow our link whenever > you buy from them!). Their detox products are the best, and I like many > others a great deal too. > > However, just as coffee enemas are not a substitute for liver, gall > bladder, kidney and/or colon cleanses, I do not think that any of their > products are a substitute for coffee enemas when it comes to keeping the > bile ducts open and flowing. > > Beetroot juice and coconut oil can help keep the bile ducts open and > flowing, but nothing opens up the bile ducts like coffee enemas, yucky > as they sound. > > All the best, > > > > > oleander soup , " hologrammy2002 " <micfo07@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Slavek, > > what about using BaselineNutritionals.com complete detox > liver/kidney/blood detox package? > > > > Could that be a sort of decent(even if not as good) replacement > > for enemas? > > > > Im asking because even tho i want to be open and hopefull, > > i would say its almsot certain(99.9999%) that my mother wont > > agree to do enemas. > > > > -And if your answer is no, would taking all the supplements > > (after taking the full detox package above, and also doing the 5 days > cleanse once a month) be dangerous for her? > > > > -And if so, what do i do then, if she doesnt want to do enemas > > but is willing to take supplements? Say no its not possible > > and let her die? no alternative, even if not as good as enemas? > > Just let her die? > > > > > > > > Also, yes, if you would kindly share your enema instructions with me, > > i would at least have them if a miracle happens and my mother > > want to do enemas. > > > > But to be honest, im not sure i would have the guts myself to insert > > something so long inside of me, as i would fear damaging myself > > internally. > > > > thanks Slavek > > > > Olivier > > > > oleander soup , slavek krepelka slavek.krepelka@ > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Oliver, > > > > > > When you do a body detox, enemas, coffee or otherwise are essential. > I > > > know it from my own experience. I have run a 19 day water fast to do > the > > > most severe detox there probably is. It has to go with two, > preferably > > > double enemas a day. You miss one, and you are sorry you did, > because it > > > will make your situation more than noticeably worse. Part of the > content > > > of the colon, and that means the toxins the body dumped there, keep > > > reabsorbing back. > > > > > > Technically it is not such a big deal. I was worried in the > beginning > > > that I would mess up the bathroom pretty good, but it can be > avoided. If > > > you want, I can post the method I used to keep everything nice and > neat > > > and efficiently done without somebody else's help and it is only a > > > moderate exercise. > > > > > > It does not probably need to be coffee either, even though I have > > > nothing against it. I found out for myself, that what worked the > best > > > for me was 1 quart water per enema, with an even tea spoon of sea > salt > > > and one bag chamomile tea. Make the tea, fill to one quart with > water, > > > salt it, stir it, baby formula temperature and off you go. Chamomile > has > > > a very soothing effect and I found it working better for me than > coffee. > > > Never the less, the important part is to keep removing the stuff > from > > > the colon with any detox, otherwise the toxins go right back into > the > > > system. > > > > > > With kind regards, Slavek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hologrammy2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > I see that a detox of liver is essential. > > > > It talks about a 5 days lover cleanse. > > > > > > > > But underneath it mentions cofee enemas. > > > > > > > > Is it possible my mother heal from pancreatic > > > > cancer, if she does the 5 days cleanse(1/per month if needed) > > > > and take many of the supplements, but without coffee enemas? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > Olivier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Hi Olivier, I am no expert on the supplement to start with. I am actually a bit queasy about them. Not that I have any reservations about their use, just the contrary, but how would I possibly know all that I need without any testing except for trial and error? So, how would I possibly know what your mother really needs? In my opinion, supplementing with what you do not need burdens your liver and kidneys in the first place and that is not sensible when you are detoxing. This is actually exactly the reason, why I chose a water fast. But even that is not for everyone. I have no diagnosed cancer. I am convinced that I am cancer free as yet. But I have my own health issues for which I have decided to look at the cancer protocols, because my reasoning was, if something will take cancer, it will probably take just about anything. So, I am sorry, but I can't help you anywhere near as much as lets say Tony Issacs can with oleander, or whoever else with their protocols. There is actually a way to go through a sort of fake enema, which is pretty much ingestion of large quantities of water with epsom salt, but I am not sure that I would recommend it for someone who needs to keep the digestive system operating as well as possible. It would not make sense to me. Water fast with enemas is actually very effective in beating cancer according to information I have gathered from a fellow in Czech Republic Mr. Adolf Slar, an amateur, who leads people out of the illnesses with a great success. But again, it is something requiring a lot of self discipline. If the patient is not willing to go with a protocol which works rather good just because of inconveniences, it is quite difficult to help her/him. Water fast is also good only for people who are not wasted. There are people who made it on a slice of bread a day with water. But the evidence I have is anecdotal and I would not bet on it. It all depends on too many factors. If you are looking for a magic cancer bullet, there is probably only Rick Simpson's hemp cure. But it may cost you to get the stuff and it is illegal in most of North America. Oleander would probably do too on its own, but it would have to be dosed really well and preferably taken intramuscularly. At least that is what appears to work for the original discoverer Dr. Ozel's patients, but I can't possibly tell you that it will do the job either. May be ask your mother to honestly tell you if she really wants to get out of the woods, or not. Because if she does, she will do as advised by those who spent good part of their lifetimes honestly dealing with cancer patients poring over tons of materials and gathering the experience, and who have a proven track record, or she may die in peace trying to experiment on herself with half baked do it yourself ideas, or doing nothing about it. Cruel as it sounds, that is the bare naked truth. I have only quipped in my experience with doing (and not doing) enemas during a detox, which I have experienced and experimented with a bit while being at it, but that is as far as I can honestly help. With kind regards, Slavek. hologrammy2002 wrote: > > > > Hi Slavek, > what about using BaselineNutritionals.com complete detox liver/kidney/ > blood detox package? > > Could that be a sort of decent(even if not as good) replacement > for enemas? > > Im asking because even tho i want to be open and hopefull, > i would say its almsot certain(99.9999%) that my mother wont > agree to do enemas. > > -And if your answer is no, would taking all the supplements > (after taking the full detox package above, and also doing the 5 days > cleanse once a month) be dangerous for her? > > -And if so, what do i do then, if she doesnt want to do enemas > but is willing to take supplements? Say no its not possible > and let her die? no alternative, even if not as good as enemas? > Just let her die? > > Also, yes, if you would kindly share your enema instructions with me, > i would at least have them if a miracle happens and my mother > want to do enemas. > > But to be honest, im not sure i would have the guts myself to insert > something so long inside of me, as i would fear damaging myself > internally. > > thanks Slavek > > Olivier > > oleander soup , slavek krepelka <slavek.krepelka@ > ...> wrote: > > > > Hi Oliver, > > > > When you do a body detox, enemas, coffee or otherwise are essential. > I > > know it from my own experience. I have run a 19 day water fast to do > the > > most severe detox there probably is. It has to go with two, > preferably > > double enemas a day. You miss one, and you are sorry you did, > because it > > will make your situation more than noticeably worse. Part of the > content > > of the colon, and that means the toxins the body dumped there, keep > > reabsorbing back. > > > > Technically it is not such a big deal. I was worried in the > beginning > > that I would mess up the bathroom pretty good, but it can be > avoided. If > > you want, I can post the method I used to keep everything nice and > neat > > and efficiently done without somebody else's help and it is only a > > moderate exercise. > > > > It does not probably need to be coffee either, even though I have > > nothing against it. I found out for myself, that what worked the > best > > for me was 1 quart water per enema, with an even tea spoon of sea > salt > > and one bag chamomile tea. Make the tea, fill to one quart with > water, > > salt it, stir it, baby formula temperature and off you go. Chamomile > has > > a very soothing effect and I found it working better for me than > coffee. > > Never the less, the important part is to keep removing the stuff > from > > the colon with any detox, otherwise the toxins go right back into > the > > system. > > > > With kind regards, Slavek, > > > > > > > > > > hologrammy2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > I see that a detox of liver is essential. > > > It talks about a 5 days lover cleanse. > > > > > > But underneath it mentions cofee enemas. > > > > > > Is it possible my mother heal from pancreatic > > > cancer, if she does the 5 days cleanse(1/per month if needed) > > > and take many of the supplements, but without coffee enemas? > > > > > > thanks > > > Olivier > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 No, not taking coffee enemas should not keep anyone from taking good supplements - but it is imperative to take steps to cleanse, detox, protect and regenerate the liver regardless. And coconut oil and beetroot juice both help keep the bile ducts open. I'll try to get to those other posts as soon as time permits. All the best, oleander soup , "hologrammy2002" <micfo07 wrote:>> Hi Tony,> > -So are you saying that if my mother wont do enemas,> then i shouldnt get her to take any and all of the products> as itll be dangerous?> > -Or maybe just take a few "safer" ones like curcumin> and oleander, with a budwig diet? > > ..OR even then, it can be dangerous without enemas?> > Not saying she wont do enemas, but boy the challenge...> If someone(nurse or whoever) could clearly show how> so its safe...> > -If enemas are off the table for now, can she start with> nutritional base liver detox package, and start using> oleander, curcumin and black seed oil?> OR enemas needs to be done right at the start, or at least absolutely> later at some point, even with just those 3 supplements?> > -Hopefully, with all the blockages problems she had in the past,> with stents installed(at bile duct and duodenum), hopefully those liver cleansing and the "bile regulators/facilators" supplements(curcumin etc) wont increase blockages, what you think?> > > -Yes Tony, any product i buy, i will buy with your affiliate links for sure. : )> > -Tony, not sure youve seen my 2 previous posts..> One has a simple short question, but the other has many questions.> Hopefully this isnt too much(i put them all together so> i have everything answered and not overwelming the group with too many posts).> > Here are the post, if you could get to them> (i feel like im asking too much, but im soon getting over all my questions):> http://health.oleander soup/message/17905> http://health.oleander soup/message/17906> > you take care and thanks ton!> > Olivier> > > > oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> >> > > > Baseline Nutritionals> > <http://www.clixgalore.com/PSale.aspx?BID=20557 & AfID=96672 & AdID=3233> > > is the exclusive dealer for Jon Barron formulas and one of the first> > companies I picked to affiliate with (so PLEASE follow our link whenever> > you buy from them!). Their detox products are the best, and I like many> > others a great deal too.> > > > However, just as coffee enemas are not a substitute for liver, gall> > bladder, kidney and/or colon cleanses, I do not think that any of their> > products are a substitute for coffee enemas when it comes to keeping the> > bile ducts open and flowing.> > > > Beetroot juice and coconut oil can help keep the bile ducts open and> > flowing, but nothing opens up the bile ducts like coffee enemas, yucky> > as they sound.> > > > All the best,> > > > Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Hi Slavek, Yes it makes sense that one shouldnt indulge in pills while detoxifying. I originally come fro mthe budwig forum, and one post lead me here. I just want to make sure to have more than one bullet in my gun, as Tony would say. And really want his take on my list of questions. From there i ll decide. I would probably add one thing as a time, then end up maybe with: -oleander, -black seed oil(good for pancreatic cancer), -curcumin pills (also) -pancreatic enzymes(also good for pancreatic cancer) .... and maybe -inositol/ip6, but optional. But im not sure and want Tony's reply first, before ordering anything. And even just those supplements - im scared it may be dangerous for my mom(if she doesn do enemas...so thats why i want his reply also. (Im so ignorant on all these things). I understand " you gotta do what you gotta do " to heal, and im not counting enemas out. Although my mom is weak on her legs so im not sure she can do this. But i think what i ll do is try enemas myself first. Thanks a lot for your insight Slavek. As i said, i just want Tony's reply, and once i have it, i will make up my mind and order some supplements. thanks again very much Olivier oleander soup , slavek krepelka <slavek.krepelka wrote: > > Hi Olivier, > > I am no expert on the supplement to start with. I am actually a bit > queasy about them. Not that I have any reservations about their use, > just the contrary, but how would I possibly know all that I need without > any testing except for trial and error? So, how would I possibly know > what your mother really needs? In my opinion, supplementing with what > you do not need burdens your liver and kidneys in the first place and > that is not sensible when you are detoxing. This is actually exactly the > reason, why I chose a water fast. But even that is not for everyone. I > have no diagnosed cancer. I am convinced that I am cancer free as yet. > But I have my own health issues for which I have decided to look at the > cancer protocols, because my reasoning was, if something will take > cancer, it will probably take just about anything. > > So, I am sorry, but I can't help you anywhere near as much as lets say > Tony Issacs can with oleander, or whoever else with their protocols. > > There is actually a way to go through a sort of fake enema, which is > pretty much ingestion of large quantities of water with epsom salt, but > I am not sure that I would recommend it for someone who needs to keep > the digestive system operating as well as possible. It would not make > sense to me. > > Water fast with enemas is actually very effective in beating cancer > according to information I have gathered from a fellow in Czech Republic > Mr. Adolf Slar, an amateur, who leads people out of the illnesses with a > great success. But again, it is something requiring a lot of self > discipline. If the patient is not willing to go with a protocol which > works rather good just because of inconveniences, it is quite difficult > to help her/him. Water fast is also good only for people who are not > wasted. There are people who made it on a slice of bread a day with > water. But the evidence I have is anecdotal and I would not bet on it. > It all depends on too many factors. > > If you are looking for a magic cancer bullet, there is probably only > Rick Simpson's hemp cure. But it may cost you to get the stuff and it is > illegal in most of North America. Oleander would probably do too on its > own, but it would have to be dosed really well and preferably taken > intramuscularly. At least that is what appears to work for the original > discoverer Dr. Ozel's patients, but I can't possibly tell you that it > will do the job either. > > May be ask your mother to honestly tell you if she really wants to get > out of the woods, or not. Because if she does, she will do as advised by > those who spent good part of their lifetimes honestly dealing with > cancer patients poring over tons of materials and gathering the > experience, and who have a proven track record, or she may die in peace > trying to experiment on herself with half baked do it yourself ideas, or > doing nothing about it. Cruel as it sounds, that is the bare naked > truth. > > I have only quipped in my experience with doing (and not doing) enemas > during a detox, which I have experienced and experimented with a bit > while being at it, but that is as far as I can honestly help. > > With kind regards, Slavek. > > > hologrammy2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Slavek, > > what about using BaselineNutritionals.com complete detox liver/kidney/ > > blood detox package? > > > > Could that be a sort of decent(even if not as good) replacement > > for enemas? > > > > Im asking because even tho i want to be open and hopefull, > > i would say its almsot certain(99.9999%) that my mother wont > > agree to do enemas. > > > > -And if your answer is no, would taking all the supplements > > (after taking the full detox package above, and also doing the 5 days > > cleanse once a month) be dangerous for her? > > > > -And if so, what do i do then, if she doesnt want to do enemas > > but is willing to take supplements? Say no its not possible > > and let her die? no alternative, even if not as good as enemas? > > Just let her die? > > > > Also, yes, if you would kindly share your enema instructions with me, > > i would at least have them if a miracle happens and my mother > > want to do enemas. > > > > But to be honest, im not sure i would have the guts myself to insert > > something so long inside of me, as i would fear damaging myself > > internally. > > > > thanks Slavek > > > > Olivier > > > > oleander soup , slavek krepelka <slavek.krepelka@ > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Oliver, > > > > > > When you do a body detox, enemas, coffee or otherwise are essential. > > I > > > know it from my own experience. I have run a 19 day water fast to do > > the > > > most severe detox there probably is. It has to go with two, > > preferably > > > double enemas a day. You miss one, and you are sorry you did, > > because it > > > will make your situation more than noticeably worse. Part of the > > content > > > of the colon, and that means the toxins the body dumped there, keep > > > reabsorbing back. > > > > > > Technically it is not such a big deal. I was worried in the > > beginning > > > that I would mess up the bathroom pretty good, but it can be > > avoided. If > > > you want, I can post the method I used to keep everything nice and > > neat > > > and efficiently done without somebody else's help and it is only a > > > moderate exercise. > > > > > > It does not probably need to be coffee either, even though I have > > > nothing against it. I found out for myself, that what worked the > > best > > > for me was 1 quart water per enema, with an even tea spoon of sea > > salt > > > and one bag chamomile tea. Make the tea, fill to one quart with > > water, > > > salt it, stir it, baby formula temperature and off you go. Chamomile > > has > > > a very soothing effect and I found it working better for me than > > coffee. > > > Never the less, the important part is to keep removing the stuff > > from > > > the colon with any detox, otherwise the toxins go right back into > > the > > > system. > > > > > > With kind regards, Slavek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hologrammy2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > I see that a detox of liver is essential. > > > > It talks about a 5 days lover cleanse. > > > > > > > > But underneath it mentions cofee enemas. > > > > > > > > Is it possible my mother heal from pancreatic > > > > cancer, if she does the 5 days cleanse(1/per month if needed) > > > > and take many of the supplements, but without coffee enemas? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > Olivier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Hi Olivier I can only tell you that hearing out Tony is your best bet here. I would do exactly that if I were in your shoes. With kind regards, Slavek. hologrammy2002 wrote: > > > > Hi Slavek, > Yes it makes sense that one shouldnt indulge in pills > while detoxifying. > > I originally come fro mthe budwig forum, and one post lead me here. > I just want to make sure to have more than one bullet in my gun, > as Tony would say. And really want his take on my list of questions. > >From there i ll decide. > > I would probably add one thing as a time, then end up > maybe with: > -oleander, > -black seed oil(good for pancreatic cancer), > -curcumin pills (also) > -pancreatic enzymes(also good for pancreatic cancer) > ... and maybe -inositol/ip6, but optional. > > But im not sure and want Tony's reply first, before ordering anything. > > And even just those supplements - im scared it may be dangerous > for my mom(if she doesn do enemas...so thats why i want his reply > also. (Im so ignorant on all these things). > > I understand " you gotta do what you gotta do " to heal, > and im not counting enemas out. Although my mom is weak on her > legs so im not sure she can do this. > > But i think what i ll do is try enemas myself first. > > Thanks a lot for your insight Slavek. > As i said, i just want Tony's reply, and once i have it, > i will make up my mind and order some supplements. > > thanks again very much > > Olivier > > oleander soup , slavek krepelka <slavek.krepelka@ > ...> wrote: > > > > Hi Olivier, > > > > I am no expert on the supplement to start with. I am actually a bit > > queasy about them. Not that I have any reservations about their use, > > just the contrary, but how would I possibly know all that I need > without > > any testing except for trial and error? So, how would I possibly > know > > what your mother really needs? In my opinion, supplementing with > what > > you do not need burdens your liver and kidneys in the first place > and > > that is not sensible when you are detoxing. This is actually exactly > the > > reason, why I chose a water fast. But even that is not for everyone. > I > > have no diagnosed cancer. I am convinced that I am cancer free as > yet. > > But I have my own health issues for which I have decided to look at > the > > cancer protocols, because my reasoning was, if something will take > > cancer, it will probably take just about anything. > > > > So, I am sorry, but I can't help you anywhere near as much as lets > say > > Tony Issacs can with oleander, or whoever else with their protocols. > > > > There is actually a way to go through a sort of fake enema, which is > > pretty much ingestion of large quantities of water with epsom salt, > but > > I am not sure that I would recommend it for someone who needs to > keep > > the digestive system operating as well as possible. It would not > make > > sense to me. > > > > Water fast with enemas is actually very effective in beating cancer > > according to information I have gathered from a fellow in Czech > Republic > > Mr. Adolf Slar, an amateur, who leads people out of the illnesses > with a > > great success. But again, it is something requiring a lot of self > > discipline. If the patient is not willing to go with a protocol > which > > works rather good just because of inconveniences, it is quite > difficult > > to help her/him. Water fast is also good only for people who are not > > wasted. There are people who made it on a slice of bread a day with > > water. But the evidence I have is anecdotal and I would not bet on > it. > > It all depends on too many factors. > > > > If you are looking for a magic cancer bullet, there is probably only > > Rick Simpson's hemp cure. But it may cost you to get the stuff and > it is > > illegal in most of North America. Oleander would probably do too on > its > > own, but it would have to be dosed really well and preferably taken > > intramuscularly. At least that is what appears to work for the > original > > discoverer Dr. Ozel's patients, but I can't possibly tell you that > it > > will do the job either. > > > > May be ask your mother to honestly tell you if she really wants to > get > > out of the woods, or not. Because if she does, she will do as > advised by > > those who spent good part of their lifetimes honestly dealing with > > cancer patients poring over tons of materials and gathering the > > experience, and who have a proven track record, or she may die in > peace > > trying to experiment on herself with half baked do it yourself > ideas, or > > doing nothing about it. Cruel as it sounds, that is the bare naked > > truth. > > > > I have only quipped in my experience with doing (and not doing) > enemas > > during a detox, which I have experienced and experimented with a bit > > while being at it, but that is as far as I can honestly help. > > > > With kind regards, Slavek. > > > > > > hologrammy2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Slavek, > > > what about using BaselineNutritionals.com complete detox > liver/kidney/ > > > blood detox package? > > > > > > Could that be a sort of decent(even if not as good) replacement > > > for enemas? > > > > > > Im asking because even tho i want to be open and hopefull, > > > i would say its almsot certain(99.9999%) that my mother wont > > > agree to do enemas. > > > > > > -And if your answer is no, would taking all the supplements > > > (after taking the full detox package above, and also doing the 5 > days > > > cleanse once a month) be dangerous for her? > > > > > > -And if so, what do i do then, if she doesnt want to do enemas > > > but is willing to take supplements? Say no its not possible > > > and let her die? no alternative, even if not as good as enemas? > > > Just let her die? > > > > > > Also, yes, if you would kindly share your enema instructions with > me, > > > i would at least have them if a miracle happens and my mother > > > want to do enemas. > > > > > > But to be honest, im not sure i would have the guts myself to > insert > > > something so long inside of me, as i would fear damaging myself > > > internally. > > > > > > thanks Slavek > > > > > > Olivier > > > > > > oleander soup , slavek krepelka > <slavek.krepelka@ > > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Oliver, > > > > > > > > When you do a body detox, enemas, coffee or otherwise are > essential. > > > I > > > > know it from my own experience. I have run a 19 day water fast > to do > > > the > > > > most severe detox there probably is. It has to go with two, > > > preferably > > > > double enemas a day. You miss one, and you are sorry you did, > > > because it > > > > will make your situation more than noticeably worse. Part of the > > > content > > > > of the colon, and that means the toxins the body dumped there, > keep > > > > reabsorbing back. > > > > > > > > Technically it is not such a big deal. I was worried in the > > > beginning > > > > that I would mess up the bathroom pretty good, but it can be > > > avoided. If > > > > you want, I can post the method I used to keep everything nice > and > > > neat > > > > and efficiently done without somebody else's help and it is only > a > > > > moderate exercise. > > > > > > > > It does not probably need to be coffee either, even though I > have > > > > nothing against it. I found out for myself, that what worked the > > > best > > > > for me was 1 quart water per enema, with an even tea spoon of > sea > > > salt > > > > and one bag chamomile tea. Make the tea, fill to one quart with > > > water, > > > > salt it, stir it, baby formula temperature and off you go. > Chamomile > > > has > > > > a very soothing effect and I found it working better for me than > > > coffee. > > > > Never the less, the important part is to keep removing the stuff > > > from > > > > the colon with any detox, otherwise the toxins go right back > into > > > the > > > > system. > > > > > > > > With kind regards, Slavek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hologrammy2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > I see that a detox of liver is essential. > > > > > It talks about a 5 days lover cleanse. > > > > > > > > > > But underneath it mentions cofee enemas. > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible my mother heal from pancreatic > > > > > cancer, if she does the 5 days cleanse(1/per month if needed) > > > > > and take many of the supplements, but without coffee enemas? > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > Olivier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Thing is, coconut oil and beetroot juice both increase production/flow of bile, which means my mom cant take it. (blockages occured, may occur again, stent installed) Thinking about it, anything that is about detoxifying liver or help it must increase production/floew of bile - so maybe she just cant do anything about her liver.... oleander soup , "" wrote: > > > No, not taking coffee enemas should not keep anyone from taking good > supplements - but it is imperative to take steps to cleanse, detox, > protect and regenerate the liver regardless. And coconut oil and > beetroot juice both help keep the bile ducts open. > > I'll try to get to those other posts as soon as time permits. > > All the best, > > > > > oleander soup , " hologrammy2002 " <micfo07@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Tony, > > > > -So are you saying that if my mother wont do enemas, > > then i shouldnt get her to take any and all of the products > > as itll be dangerous? > > > > -Or maybe just take a few " safer " ones like curcumin > > and oleander, with a budwig diet? > > > > ..OR even then, it can be dangerous without enemas? > > > > Not saying she wont do enemas, but boy the challenge... > > If someone(nurse or whoever) could clearly show how > > so its safe... > > > > -If enemas are off the table for now, can she start with > > nutritional base liver detox package, and start using > > oleander, curcumin and black seed oil? > > OR enemas needs to be done right at the start, or at least absolutely > > later at some point, even with just those 3 supplements? > > > > -Hopefully, with all the blockages problems she had in the past, > > with stents installed(at bile duct and duodenum), hopefully those > liver cleansing and the " bile regulators/facilators " > supplements(curcumin etc) wont increase blockages, what you think? > > > > > > -Yes Tony, any product i buy, i will buy with your affiliate links for > sure. : ) > > > > -Tony, not sure youve seen my 2 previous posts.. > > One has a simple short question, but the other has many questions. > > Hopefully this isnt too much(i put them all together so > > i have everything answered and not overwelming the group with too many > posts). > > > > Here are the post, if you could get to them > > (i feel like im asking too much, but im soon getting over all my > questions): > > http://health.oleander soup/message/17905 > > http://health.oleander soup/message/17906 > > > > you take care and thanks ton! > > > > Olivier > > > > > > > > oleander soup , "" @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Baseline Nutritionals > > > > <http://www.clixgalore.com/PSale.aspx?BID=20557 & AfID=96672 & AdID=3233> > > > is the exclusive dealer for Jon Barron formulas and one of the first > > > companies I picked to affiliate with (so PLEASE follow our link > whenever > > > you buy from them!). Their detox products are the best, and I like > many > > > others a great deal too. > > > > > > However, just as coffee enemas are not a substitute for liver, gall > > > bladder, kidney and/or colon cleanses, I do not think that any of > their > > > products are a substitute for coffee enemas when it comes to keeping > the > > > bile ducts open and flowing. > > > > > > Beetroot juice and coconut oil can help keep the bile ducts open and > > > flowing, but nothing opens up the bile ducts like coffee enemas, > yucky > > > as they sound. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 The coffee enema dilates the bile duct. At any rate, milk thistle, alpha lipoic acid, curcumin and selenium are protective of the liver and help it regenerate. No one should fight cancer or any other serious illness without taking measures to protect and regenerate, and ideally cleanse, the liver. All the best, oleander soup , "hologrammy2002" <micfo07 wrote:>> Thing is, coconut oil and beetroot juice both> increase production/flow of bile, which means my mom cant take it.> (blockages occured, may occur again, stent installed)> > Thinking about it, anything that is about detoxifying liver> or help it must increase production/floew of bile - so maybe> she just cant do anything about her liver....> oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> >> > > > No, not taking coffee enemas should not keep anyone from taking good> > supplements - but it is imperative to take steps to cleanse, detox,> > protect and regenerate the liver regardless. And coconut oil and> > beetroot juice both help keep the bile ducts open.> > > > I'll try to get to those other posts as soon as time permits.> > > > All the best,> > > > Tony> > > > > > oleander soup , "hologrammy2002" <micfo07@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Hi Tony,> > >> > > -So are you saying that if my mother wont do enemas,> > > then i shouldnt get her to take any and all of the products> > > as itll be dangerous?> > >> > > -Or maybe just take a few "safer" ones like curcumin> > > and oleander, with a budwig diet?> > >> > > ..OR even then, it can be dangerous without enemas?> > >> > > Not saying she wont do enemas, but boy the challenge...> > > If someone(nurse or whoever) could clearly show how> > > so its safe...> > >> > > -If enemas are off the table for now, can she start with> > > nutritional base liver detox package, and start using> > > oleander, curcumin and black seed oil?> > > OR enemas needs to be done right at the start, or at least absolutely> > > later at some point, even with just those 3 supplements?> > >> > > -Hopefully, with all the blockages problems she had in the past,> > > with stents installed(at bile duct and duodenum), hopefully those> > liver cleansing and the "bile regulators/facilators"> > supplements(curcumin etc) wont increase blockages, what you think?> > >> > >> > > -Yes Tony, any product i buy, i will buy with your affiliate links for> > sure. : )> > >> > > -Tony, not sure youve seen my 2 previous posts..> > > One has a simple short question, but the other has many questions.> > > Hopefully this isnt too much(i put them all together so> > > i have everything answered and not overwelming the group with too many> > posts).> > >> > > Here are the post, if you could get to them> > > (i feel like im asking too much, but im soon getting over all my> > questions):> > > http://health.oleander soup/message/17905> > > http://health.oleander soup/message/17906> > >> > > you take care and thanks ton!> > >> > > Olivier> > >> > >> > >> > > oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Baseline Nutritionals> > > >> > <http://www.clixgalore.com/PSale.aspx?BID=20557 & AfID=96672 & AdID=3233>> > > > is the exclusive dealer for Jon Barron formulas and one of the first> > > > companies I picked to affiliate with (so PLEASE follow our link> > whenever> > > > you buy from them!). Their detox products are the best, and I like> > many> > > > others a great deal too.> > > >> > > > However, just as coffee enemas are not a substitute for liver, gall> > > > bladder, kidney and/or colon cleanses, I do not think that any of> > their> > > > products are a substitute for coffee enemas when it comes to keeping> > the> > > > bile ducts open and flowing.> > > >> > > > Beetroot juice and coconut oil can help keep the bile ducts open and> > > > flowing, but nothing opens up the bile ducts like coffee enemas,> > yucky> > > > as they sound.> > > >> > > > All the best,> > > >> > > > Tony> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Hi,I've been reading this blog with interest for a couple of days now.My husband was diagnosed with invasive Stage 3 Bladder Cancer two years ago and was told by a urologist and an oncologist that he had to have his bladder, prostate and whatever else they deemed appropriate removed and do chemo and radiation. We opted to go alternative instead of that kind of invasion. We threw as many things as we could afford to at the situation. The big problem being that there is no way to check the progress of bladder cancer without going in and taking a sample for biopsy and that was not something my husband was willing to go through. We had a horrific time asking the 2 doctors to work with us alternatively. As you can imagine they point blank refused. So for the last 2 years my husband has looked great, felt great, etc, until a few months ago when he started having pain in his ribs and back and was getting extremely tired all the time. A few CT scans and a MRI later a new oncologist says he has bladder lymph and bone cancer. The bone cancer being very widespread from skull on down. This oncologist wanted to do 2 bone marrow biopsies and/ or cat scan guided needle biopsy of the lymph node that is showing cancer. Once again we are not going to the butcher block and are seeking alternative (and affordable) help. Oleander looks very promising. I have also been looking a cessium chloride and DMSO.Any one have any advice for me? Thanks and many blessings to you all for this forum.Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Susan - I am sorry to hear of your husband's condition. "Butcher's block" is certainly a good term to use when they want to remove multiple organs and then subject someone to chemo and radiation with the likely result that they might possibly extend survival time be an average of 3% versus doing nothing at all, and we won't even go into how horrific the quality of life would be during that time. Mainstream medicine has a virtual zero percent long term survival rate for cancers that have spread beyond the original site. With alternative methods there is hope, but if it were me I would embrace the entire protocol and anti-cancer lifestyle to combat cancer that has spread so widely. /anticancer.htm You may have to work your way up slowly with the oleander as the body adjusts, and there may be some initial pain involved at the cancer sites because there are going to be some battles going on at the cancer sites where the cancer has essentially become part of the body. Just know that we are here for you and your husband and wish you all the best. Welcome to our group and "family". oleander soup , Susan Staal <susan wrote:>> Hi,> I've been reading this blog with interest for a couple of days now.> My husband was diagnosed with invasive Stage 3 Bladder Cancer two > years ago and was told by a urologist and an oncologist that he had to > have his bladder, prostate and whatever else they deemed appropriate > removed and do chemo and radiation. We opted to go alternative > instead of that kind of invasion. We threw as many things as we could > afford to at the situation. The big problem being that there is no > way to check the progress of bladder cancer without going in and > taking a sample for biopsy and that was not something my husband was > willing to go through. We had a horrific time asking the 2 doctors to > work with us alternatively. As you can imagine they point blank > refused. So for the last 2 years my husband has looked great, felt > great, etc, until a few months ago when he started having pain in his > ribs and back and was getting extremely tired all the time. A few CT > scans and a MRI later a new oncologist says he has bladder lymph and > bone cancer. The bone cancer being very widespread from skull on > down. This oncologist wanted to do 2 bone marrow biopsies and/ or cat > scan guided needle biopsy of the lymph node that is showing cancer.> Once again we are not going to the butcher block and are seeking > alternative (and affordable) help. Oleander looks very promising. I > have also been looking a cessium chloride and DMSO.> Any one have any advice for me?> Thanks and many blessings to you all for this forum.> Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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