Im ready to buy, just a few product specific questions..

[Guest guest]

Ok,

so im about to purchase these products, and a few remaining

questions before i go ahead.

 

-Just for curiosity, for pancreatic cancer, for a conservative yet as effective

as possible mix, how does my mix sound:

-Oleander

+ selenium(liver)

+ Cell Forte

+ a mineral since forte deplete minerals

+ black seed oil(great for pancreas)

+budwig style diet(flax oil/cottage cheese, vegetables, no animal protein etc)

?

 

-I know theres intramax for minerals/vitamins.

Theres also the 75 plant based supplement from utopia.

Is either of those, on their own, enough to compensate for all the

mineral/vitamin depletion resulting from Cellforte/inositol?

IF not, is there a single supplement that is sufficient to compensate?

(not having to take 2 different supplements)

 

-Any good milk thistle supplement, preferrably in powder form, if possible? Url

of website where to buy please.

 

-Can i open the selenium capsules from utopia, and mix it in a drink?

im trying to find ways to cut the capsules intake for my mom as much as possible

(yes, to me its stupid, but my mom just wont take many pills per day)

 

-Does the cell forte/inositol in powder taste bad or quite unpleasant?

(think of someone normal who doesnt like unpleasant taste. Dont answer

from your point of view if youre someone who is willing to take anything no

matther what the taste)

I would put it in a juice.

 

Of course i will buy through Tony's affiliate links.

 

Ready to buy!

thanks!

 

Olivier

 

Olivier

[Guest guest]

OlivierIf you are looking for milk thistle, St Francis Herb Farm near Ottawa makes a very good tincture.  You can buy it here:http://www.nationalnutrition.ca/SearchResult.aspx?KeyWords=milk%20thistle & All=True - this is a Canadian site.

Regards,Janet

[Guest guest]

Olivier,

Don't leave out iodine. I take mine (a combination of magnascent and SSKI that I get from Trapper, aka group member Steve Wilson) mixed in orange juice and the taste if plenty good. While I like the 75 minerals a lot and take them myself (and they come in liquid form as well as capsule), intraMAX contains those and much, much more.

The Cell Forte does not taste at all unpleasant.

You can get powdered milk thistle in four ounce containers from Mountain Rose Herbs.

As far as I know, the selenium at Utopia Silver comes in tablets, not capsules. I would not recommend powdering it or taking it from capsules and mixing it - it has an unpleasant taste when you do so. It is a supplement she is going to have to be willing to take in pill form and it is not only protective of the liver but also a necessary co-factor for iodine.

All the best,

oleander soup , "hologrammy2002" <micfo07 wrote:>> Ok,> so im about to purchase these products, and a few remaining> questions before i go ahead.> > -Just for curiosity, for pancreatic cancer, for a conservative yet as effective as possible mix, how does my mix sound:> -Oleander > + selenium(liver) > + Cell Forte > + a mineral since forte deplete minerals> + black seed oil(great for pancreas)> +budwig style diet(flax oil/cottage cheese, vegetables, no animal protein etc)> ?> > -I know theres intramax for minerals/vitamins.> Theres also the 75 plant based supplement from utopia.> Is either of those, on their own, enough to compensate for all the mineral/vitamin depletion resulting from Cellforte/inositol?> IF not, is there a single supplement that is sufficient to compensate?> (not having to take 2 different supplements)> > -Any good milk thistle supplement, preferrably in powder form, if possible? Url of website where to buy please.> > -Can i open the selenium capsules from utopia, and mix it in a drink?> im trying to find ways to cut the capsules intake for my mom as much as possible (yes, to me its stupid, but my mom just wont take many pills per day)> > -Does the cell forte/inositol in powder taste bad or quite unpleasant?> (think of someone normal who doesnt like unpleasant taste. Dont answer> from your point of view if youre someone who is willing to take anything no matther what the taste)> I would put it in a juice.> > Of course i will buy through Tony's affiliate links.> > Ready to buy!> thanks!> > Olivier> > Olivier>

[Guest guest]

Ok im buying.

Also, lastly Tony,

-Which pancreatic enzyme to buy?

(im ignorant. i want one that has same effect as ??Dr Kelly?

who had pancreatic cancer and healed with enzymes)

One in powder/liquid form if possible(but only if its a good one)..

 

And how will she take it?

With each meal? How many?

If she already takes creon( some digestive enzymes prescribed by doc)

does she take them together?

Eliminate creon?

 

-How do i get the iodine?

What quantity/how many times per day/when to take it?

 

-What quantity of milk thistle per day?

What quantity/how many times per day/when to take it?

(hopefully i ll be able to combine several into a drink)

 

Thats ALL i will buy for now. phew...(god bless the credit card..i guess)

 

I will wait until you tell me where to buy pancreatic enzymes

before ordering(to not order 2 times from the same website

with 2 shipping costs)

 

Thanks Tony : )

 

Olivier

 

oleander soup , "" wrote:

>

>

> Olivier,

>

> Don't leave out iodine. I take mine (a combination of magnascent and

> SSKI that I get from Trapper, aka group member Steve Wilson) mixed in

> orange juice and the taste if plenty good. While I like the 75 minerals

> a lot and take them myself (and they come in liquid form as well as

> capsule), intraMAX

> <http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/cmd.php?af=853973 & product=intramax\

> > contains those and much, much more.

>

> The Cell Forte does not taste at all unpleasant.

>

> You can get powdered milk thistle in four ounce containers from Mountain

> Rose Herbs.

> <http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/cgi-bin/Main.pl?AID=085036 & BID=4100>

>

> As far as I know, the selenium at Utopia Silver comes in tablets, not

> capsules. I would not recommend powdering it or taking it from capsules

> and mixing it - it has an unpleasant taste when you do so. It is a

> supplement she is going to have to be willing to take in pill form and

> it is not only protective of the liver but also a necessary co-factor

> for iodine.

>

> All the best,

>

> >

> oleander soup , " hologrammy2002 " <micfo07@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Ok,

> > so im about to purchase these products, and a few remaining

> > questions before i go ahead.

> >

> > -Just for curiosity, for pancreatic cancer, for a conservative yet as

> effective as possible mix, how does my mix sound:

> > -Oleander

> > + selenium(liver)

> > + Cell Forte

> > + a mineral since forte deplete minerals

> > + black seed oil(great for pancreas)

> > +budwig style diet(flax oil/cottage cheese, vegetables, no animal

> protein etc)

> > ?

> >

> > -I know theres intramax for minerals/vitamins.

> > Theres also the 75 plant based supplement from utopia.

> > Is either of those, on their own, enough to compensate for all the

> mineral/vitamin depletion resulting from Cellforte/inositol?

> > IF not, is there a single supplement that is sufficient to compensate?

> > (not having to take 2 different supplements)

> >

> > -Any good milk thistle supplement, preferrably in powder form, if

> possible? Url of website where to buy please.

> >

> > -Can i open the selenium capsules from utopia, and mix it in a drink?

> > im trying to find ways to cut the capsules intake for my mom as much

> as possible (yes, to me its stupid, but my mom just wont take many pills

> per day)

> >

> > -Does the cell forte/inositol in powder taste bad or quite unpleasant?

> > (think of someone normal who doesnt like unpleasant taste. Dont answer

> > from your point of view if youre someone who is willing to take

> anything no matther what the taste)

> > I would put it in a juice.

> >

> > Of course i will buy through Tony's affiliate links.

> >

> > Ready to buy!

> > thanks!

> >

> > Olivier

> >

> > Olivier

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Pancreatic

Enzymes should also be on your list (I didn't see it on the list -- maybe she

is already taking it?)

 

Even if she will not take any other pills she needs pancreatic enzymes. Univase Forte is a good one and Tony has

it on his site.

 

Be Well

Dr.L

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Dr Loretta,

thanks for jumping in.

 

I was just asking:

And how will she take the pancreatic enzymes?

With each meal? How many?

If she already takes creon( some digestive enzymes prescribed by doc)

does she take them together?

Eliminate creon and just use the one you recommend?

 

thanks!

 

oleander soup , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <drlanphier

wrote:

>

> Pancreatic Enzymes should also be on your list (I didn't see it on the list

> -- maybe she is already taking it?)

>

> Even if she will not take any other pills she needs pancreatic enzymes.

> Univase Forte is a good one and Tony has it on his site.

>

> Be Well

> Dr.L

>

[Guest guest]

Legally,

since I am not a medical doctor, I cannot tell you whether to take her off the Creon

or not. Consult with her attending

doctor. Univase Forte contains the

highest levesl of a-chymotrypsin which according to

Dr. Kelley’s and Dr. Gonzalez’s protocol is very important. I don’t see from the ingredient

list that Creon contains a-chymotrypsin. I do see that it contains a lot of

chemicals.

 

The active ingredient evaluated in clinical

trials is lipase. CREON is dosed by lipase units.

Other active ingredients include protease and

amylase.

CREON contains the following inactive

ingredients: cetyl alcohol, dimethicone, hypromellose phthalate, polyethylene

glycol, and triethyl citrate. The imprinting ink on the capsule contains

dimethicone, 2-ethoxyethanol, shellac, soya lecithin, and titanium dioxide. The

shells contain FD & C Blue No. 2, gelatin, red iron oxide, sodium lauryl

sulfate, titanium dioxide, and yellow iron oxide.

If she decides

to take the Univase Forte then she will need to work up to 5 caplets 20 minutes

before lunch, dinner and bed.

 

Be Well

Dr.L

 

 

[Guest guest]

Wow,

thats a lot of pills.

Isnt there an alternative, that takes less capsules,

or is just in a different more easy form, like liquid or powder?

 

When you say

" > The active ingredient evaluated in clinical trials is lipase. CREON is dosed

by lipase units. "

 

Do you mean the active ingredient of Univase is lipase,

and creon also is dosed by lipase units?

 

Putting legal stuff aside(of course i would nt haver her stop

creon without consent of a doctor), does Univase look

like its " mission " (sorry bad english) is the same as creon,

that is, to provide the enzymes for digestion that the pancreas

would otherwise have to provide?

 

-The thing with my mother is, she eats extremely little

at a time (i thought with her new stent 1 week ago, that by now

she would eat more...just a few bites of something at a time),

but eat like i dunno, 6-8 times per day.

 

So im not sure if she would need to take univase every time

she eat a little bit, maybe just 1, and then 5 around meal time

when she eat, and at bed time..?(regardless of the creon issue)

 

Theres nothing legal here, im just asking for opinion.

 

Thanks Loretta,

im almost set on a plan

 

Olivier

 

 

oleander soup , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <drlanphier

wrote:

>

> Legally, since I am not a medical doctor, I cannot tell you whether to take

> her off the Creon or not. Consult with her attending doctor. Univase Forte

> contains the highest levesl of a-chymotrypsin which according to Dr.

> Kelley's and Dr. Gonzalez's protocol is very important. I don't see from

> the ingredient list that Creon contains a-chymotrypsin. I do see that it

> contains a lot of chemicals.

>

> The active ingredient evaluated in clinical trials is lipase. CREON is dosed

> by lipase units.

> Other active ingredients include protease and amylase.

> CREON contains the following inactive ingredients: cetyl alcohol,

> dimethicone, hypromellose phthalate, polyethylene glycol, and triethyl

> citrate. The imprinting ink on the capsule contains dimethicone,

> 2-ethoxyethanol, shellac, soya lecithin, and titanium dioxide. The shells

> contain FD & C Blue No. 2, gelatin, red iron oxide, sodium lauryl sulfate,

> titanium dioxide, and yellow iron oxide.

> If she decides to take the Univase Forte then she will need to work up to 5

> caplets 20 minutes before lunch, dinner and bed.

>

> Be Well

> Dr.L

>

[Guest guest]

oleander soup , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <drlanphier

wrote:

>

> Pancreatic Enzymes should also be on your list (I didn't see it on the list

> -- maybe she is already taking it?)

>

> Even if she will not take any other pills she needs pancreatic enzymes.

> Univase Forte is a good one and Tony has it on his site.

>

> Be Well

> Dr.L

>

 

 

 

These are the enzymes Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez recommends:

 

http://www.vitaglo.com/nr51650.html

http://www.springboard4health.com/store/more_arg_pork_pancreas.html

 

in this interview on One Radio Network:

 

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/health_-_podcasts/health_challenges_%28diseases%2\

9/dr_gonzalez_-_finding_your_ancestral_diet_-__pancreatic_enzymes_-_detoxing_-_a\

cid_alkaline_-july_2nd_200907021147/

 

You have to register for a free membership to One Radio Network to hear the

broadcast.

[Guest guest]

From what I understand Dr. Gonzalez has enzymes made especially to his

specifications and therefore does not recommend any particular brands. The

brands that are listed below, while good, do not have the a-chymotrypsin (I

don't think). Plus the sites that are recommended do not give an ingredient

list. Please don't buy from sites that don't have the courtesy to list the

product ingredients. That should put a huge red-flag up.

 

Be Well

Dr.L

 

 

 

 

These are the enzymes Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez recommends:

 

http://www.vitaglo.com/nr51650.html

http://www.springboard4health.com/store/more_arg_pork_pancreas.html

 

in this interview on One Radio Network:

 

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/health_-_podcasts/health_challenges_%28diseas

es%29/dr_gonzalez_-_finding_your_ancestral_diet_-__pancreatic_enzymes_-_deto

xing_-_acid_alkaline_-july_2nd_200907021147/

 

You have to register for a free membership to One Radio Network to hear the

broadcast.

[Guest guest]

Olivier, I

understand that you are asking for opinion and may not be interesed in

" legal " but I have to be concerned with “legal” especially

since we never know who is reading these forums. And you did ask if she should get off of

the Creon. There are people here

that on any ones recommendations will run out and do accordingly. That concerns me as no one knows an

individuals health history better than their healthcare practitioner or

themselves.

 

The ingredient list was for Creon, not Univase Forte. Yes, it is a lot of caplets but very

necessary. People who have cancer

must use therapeutic dosaging in order for supplements to help their health

situation. Their body needs help

and support in order to bring it back into health because it is in a dis-eased

state. One or two pills of anything,

which is what would be recommended for someone healthy, is not going to do much for a dis-eased

body.

 

I think the " mission " of Univase Forte is much better than

Creon. But again, just my opinion,

and what I have seen with clients. If

she is only taking bites of food here and there then 1-2 UF is recommended and

then the larger amounts with her larger meals.

 

Be Well

Dr.L

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On

Behalf Of hologrammy2002

Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:24 PM

oleander soup

Re: Im ready to buy, just a few product specific

questions..

 

Wow,

thats a lot of pills.

Isnt there an alternative, that takes less capsules,

or is just in a different more easy form, like liquid or

powder?

 

When you say

" > The active ingredient evaluated in clinical

trials is lipase. CREON is dosed by lipase units. "

 

Do you mean the active ingredient of Univase is lipase,

and creon also is dosed by lipase units?

 

Putting legal stuff aside(of course i would nt haver her

stop

creon without consent of a doctor), does Univase look

like its " mission " (sorry bad english) is the

same as creon,

that is, to provide the enzymes for digestion that the

pancreas

would otherwise have to provide?

 

-The thing with my mother is, she eats extremely little

at a time (i thought with her new stent 1 week ago, that

by now

she would eat more...just a few bites of something at a

time),

but eat like i dunno, 6-8 times per day.

 

So im not sure if she would need to take univase every

time

she eat a little bit, maybe just 1, and then 5 around

meal time

when she eat, and at bed time..?(regardless of the creon

issue)

 

Theres nothing legal here, im just asking for opinion.

 

Thanks Loretta,

im almost set on a plan

 

Olivier

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hey Loretta,

first, thanks for your great support and time.

 

Just to close this discusion:

From your other post i gather that you do not

recommend the 2 pork enzymes that you said

Gonzales recommended, correct?

(a bit confused as you first said he recommended those 2 you listed,

then went on to say he doesnt recommend any)

 

But instead univase forte, correct?

(The only worry is how gonzales was saying how pork

enzymes worked so well with pancreatic cancer, and univase

is plant based)

 

Done!

 

Ive bought everything but pancreatic enzymes,

and with a reply to this, i ll make my final purchase : )

 

One love

Olivier

 

 

oleander soup , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <drlanphier

wrote:

>

> Olivier, I understand that you are asking for opinion and may not be

> interesed in " legal " but I have to be concerned with " legal " especially

> since we never know who is reading these forums. And you did ask if she

> should get off of the Creon. There are people here that on any ones

> recommendations will run out and do accordingly. That concerns me as no one

> knows an individuals health history better than their healthcare

> practitioner or themselves.

>

> The ingredient list was for Creon, not Univase Forte. Yes, it is a lot of

> caplets but very necessary. People who have cancer must use therapeutic

> dosaging in order for supplements to help their health situation. Their

> body needs help and support in order to bring it back into health because it

> is in a dis-eased state. One or two pills of anything, which is what would

> be recommended for someone healthy, is not going to do much for a dis-eased

> body.

>

> I think the " mission " of Univase Forte is much better than Creon. But

> again, just my opinion, and what I have seen with clients. If she is only

> taking bites of food here and there then 1-2 UF is recommended and then the

> larger amounts with her larger meals.

>

> Be Well

> Dr.L

>

>

> oleander soup oleander soup On

> Behalf Of hologrammy2002

> Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:24 PM

> oleander soup

> Re: Im ready to buy, just a few product specific

> questions..

>

> Wow,

> thats a lot of pills.

> Isnt there an alternative, that takes less capsules,

> or is just in a different more easy form, like liquid or powder?

>

> When you say

> " > The active ingredient evaluated in clinical trials is lipase. CREON is

> dosed by lipase units. "

>

> Do you mean the active ingredient of Univase is lipase,

> and creon also is dosed by lipase units?

>

> Putting legal stuff aside(of course i would nt haver her stop

> creon without consent of a doctor), does Univase look

> like its " mission " (sorry bad english) is the same as creon,

> that is, to provide the enzymes for digestion that the pancreas

> would otherwise have to provide?

>

> -The thing with my mother is, she eats extremely little

> at a time (i thought with her new stent 1 week ago, that by now

> she would eat more...just a few bites of something at a time),

> but eat like i dunno, 6-8 times per day.

>

> So im not sure if she would need to take univase every time

> she eat a little bit, maybe just 1, and then 5 around meal time

> when she eat, and at bed time..?(regardless of the creon issue)

>

> Theres nothing legal here, im just asking for opinion.

>

> Thanks Loretta,

> im almost set on a plan

>

> Olivier

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Olivier

 

It’s not that I don’t recommend them, I don’t believe they

are as effective and it is because there is no a-chymotripsin in them. And I don’t believe that Gonzalez

recommended them as that is not the type that he uses, from what I

understand. Someone else sent those

two links into the group saying that Dr. Gonzalez recommends them.

 

I recommend UF and it is not plant bassed.

It it made from porcine (pork).

 

 

Be Well

Loretta

 

 

 

 

 

Hey Loretta,

first, thanks for your great support and time.

 

Just to close this discusion:

From your other post i gather that you do not

recommend the 2 pork enzymes that you said

Gonzales recommended, correct?

(a bit confused as you first said he recommended those 2

you listed,

then went on to say he doesnt recommend any)

 

But instead univase forte, correct?

(The only worry is how gonzales was saying how pork

enzymes worked so well with pancreatic cancer, and

univase

is plant based)

 

Done!

 

Ive bought everything but pancreatic enzymes,

and with a reply to this, i ll make my final purchase : )

 

One love

Olivier

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Loretta,

great.

Im getting those tonight.

 

Only sort of warning it gives in the description is:

it says:

" Pancreas Natural Glandular products from lamb, pork and beef can be used in a

dietary rotation plan by those who are highly sensitive "

 

-First of all not sure what sensitive means here,

but is it your experience(or what you hear from others)

that i(my mom) should not use Univase Forte all the time,

that she should switch to a different enzymes after a certain period?

Or stick to this one all the time is ok?

 

If another one to rotate with, if you could point to another good one to rotate

(ONLY IF need be. if no need, jsut say so)

 

Ok, going to buy univase with the affiliate link now

 

thanks Dr Loretta : )

 

Olivier

 

 

oleander soup , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <drlanphier

wrote:

>

> Hi Olivier

>

> It's not that I don't recommend them, I don't believe they are as effective

> and it is because there is no a-chymotripsin in them. And I don't believe

> that Gonzalez recommended them as that is not the type that he uses, from

> what I understand. Someone else sent those two links into the group saying

> that Dr. Gonzalez recommends them.

>

> I recommend UF and it is not plant bassed. It it made from porcine (pork).

>

>

> Be Well

> Loretta

>

>

>

>

>

> Hey Loretta,

> first, thanks for your great support and time.

>

> Just to close this discusion:

> From your other post i gather that you do not

> recommend the 2 pork enzymes that you said

> Gonzales recommended, correct?

> (a bit confused as you first said he recommended those 2 you listed,

> then went on to say he doesnt recommend any)

>

> But instead univase forte, correct?

> (The only worry is how gonzales was saying how pork

> enzymes worked so well with pancreatic cancer, and univase

> is plant based)

>

> Done!

>

> Ive bought everything but pancreatic enzymes,

> and with a reply to this, i ll make my final purchase : )

>

> One love

> Olivier

>