Oleander protocol swelling?

November 14, 2009

Hi,

because im preparing in case my mom with

panc cancer need a quick help, i have stumbled

on posts in here talking about late stage cancers

still having hope with the cesium protocol.

But then i read on cancertutor, that with that particular protocl, cesium, a

good deal of swelling is normal at first,

and that it can potentially be dangerous and very problematic,

especially for pancreatic cancer.

And it then add that one protocol which doesnt have this

swelling issue, or much much less, is Bill henderson protocol.

QUESTION:

Well What about the swelling of the Oleander protocol?

Whats the inflammation level compared to the 2 other protocols?

Whether it causes quite a bit of inflammation or not

doesnt mean the protocol is superior or inferior.

Often times the inflammation doesnt matter.

But i want to know, because in the case of my mom,

inflammation does matter, a lot.

Maybe some thingsa in the oleander protocol(TOny protocol)

would be ok and others not so much.

Oleander itself, among the best thing, does it cause

inflammation? A lot?

Thanks!

Olivier

November 14, 2009

Hi Olivier,I have tried all 3 protocols. However my case was quite different to your mum's case. I had a near 3kg Liposarcoma removed surgically and then I started both Cesium and Oleander about the same time a couple of months later. I did this because the surgeon did not remove the tissue margin around my tumor and I knew I still was making cancer cells and I still had cancer in me and I needed to buy time to detox. Also, I knew Oleander might take time to work and I wanted to have all bases covered. I was also very run down, had lost 15kg of weight and I just wasn't doing so well.I found Cesium started working about 2 weeks into treatment. That meant I was getting "activity" (not pain or discomfort) where I was feeling my sarcoma pushing and hurting prior to surgery. Over time (the next couple of

months) it increased to the point that the inflammation was irritating to me, but not painful. I only did 4 months of Cesium and by that time I had sourced all of Tony's protocol and was taking 4 Oleander pills a day. (The liquid version was too expensive with everything else I was doing). Also, the very loose stools on Cesium were very irritating. Having said that, I know a lot of toxins were leaving my body because I certainly did not smell like a sweet rose!!! When I continued with the Oleander I continued to feel a lot of discomfort in the same area. However I don't believe there was any inflammation. I also did the Bill Henderson Protocol for about 4 months - starting prior to surgery. I just can't see how that Protocol is strong enough for pancreatic cancer. It is a great treatment and I eagerly await ALL of Bill's newsletters, but it requires you to swallow many pills! I dumped it

because of that. I still take in excess of 50 capsules a day, but they are tailored to my individual needs and that will reduce in time. So perhaps you can discount the Bill Henderson Protocol on that account - it doesn't fit the criteria you have outlined in the past for your mum. Cesium does taste nasty! It needs to be disguised by pomegranate juice or something very sweet. Your mum will also need to take other liquid minerals that are tasteless and simple to slip into a drink. She will need to have lots of blood taken. Every 10-21 days. Can she handle that? Potassium will need to be monitored very closely and she will need to take around 2 TBS of liquid Potassium a day as well as liquid Calcium/Magnesium a day. When I reduced having my blood taken to 3 weeks I was getting hand cramps and I figured I was low in potassium and so I took more. ( I was correct in my assumption, but not a

good feeling to have cramping hands). Potassium and Cal/Mag also taste awful. However they can be disguised with OJ or Pomegranate juice etc. Larry will try to sell you on his Ursolicare. It is fantastic stuff and I really believe it will kill anything because believe me it is GROSSLY AND DISGUSTINGLY AWFUL TO GET DOWN. I took that stuff for about 3 months and tried to put it into a Smoothie and by about month 3 I was tired of vomiting it up again because of the taste of Ursolicare. I am just warning and informing you here as I have lived this. Also, the Cesium Protocol calls for DMSO to be applied to the skin I think once a day. If your mum doesn't have sensitive skin she will be OK. It means you need to spray 2 TBS of DMSO onto her skin all over her body (back, arms, legs) in order to facilitate Cesium going into the cells. I got sick of this after week 2 and began ingesting Cesium orally. However

my cancer was in the retroperitoneum and not in the digestive tract and therefore I don't think it is an option for your mum. Olivier, I am not trying to dissuade you from Cesium. I would do it again if I had to. However, I have been on this road and I am just letting you know what I encountered. I am a stubborn 39 year-old woman who can tolerate a lot and I can handle a lot of foul tasting stuff - just ask my husband :-) I just want you to know that this Protocol is great, however there is a lot to it.Olivier, Oleander is fantastic. It can take time to work. You have Tony as a resource as well as those of us who have walked your mum's path. With Cesium you also have Larry from Essense of Life as a resource who will answer your questions by phone. He is, I find a very opinionated person. But when I got past the arrogance, I did glean a lot of info that kept me going and some of the things he said

still echo in my mind today and I am thankful for his words of hope and abrasive encouragement.Have you asked your mum what she would prefer? Is she ready to deal with diarrhoea, or inflammation or frequent visits to have blood taken? Is she OK with you calling people like Larry and him giving you advice and you following it sort of blindly because you need something that works fast? I think you are doing an awesome job and your mum can be so proud of you being her advocate. However, she needs to do all of this and when we take these liquids and supplements our bodies begin to detox. I guess she needs to know and be on board with all of this. Even just a little bit. Women are intuitive - we often know what path we should take. Maybe you can present her with the info and see what she wants. At the end of the day, it is her choice.Regardless of what your mum decides, you can rest

assured that you are a fantastic son who is doing all he can do to help. That is admirable and I, as a woman who lives with the threat of cancer coming back, I personally commend you and I think you are doing a fantastic job. If you can, involve your mum as much as you can, because she needs to do it. It is both your journey, but ultimately, your mum has to want this, too.Take Care Olivier, and please feel free to ask any questions. I am always happy to answer. Blessings to you both,Eva.--- On Sat, 11/14/09, ftfft <micfo07 wrote:ftfft <micfo07 Oleander protocol swelling?oleander soup Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 4:33 AM

Hi,

because im preparing in case my mom with

panc cancer need a quick help, i have stumbled

on posts in here talking about late stage cancers

still having hope with the cesium protocol.

November 14, 2009

We first discovered cesium and we learned a LOT about it from a web site called

www.krysalis.net Go to it and check "cancer" from the menu on the left. It is long, detailed, scientific, but very practical and you learn a lot. He just provides information -- I don't recall that he is trying to sell anything. Jan --- On Fri, 11/13/09, ftfft <micfo07 wrote:

ftfft <micfo07 Oleander protocol swelling?oleander soup Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 11:33 PM

Hi,because im preparing in case my mom withpanc cancer need a quick help, i have stumbledon posts in here talking about late stage cancersstill having hope with the cesium protocol.But then i read on cancertutor, that with that particular protocl, cesium, a good deal of swelling is normal at first,and that it can potentially be dangerous and very problematic,especially for pancreatic cancer.And it then add that one protocol which doesnt have thisswelling issue, or much much less, is Bill henderson protocol.QUESTION:Well What about the swelling of the Oleander protocol?Whats the inflammation level compared to the 2 other protocols?Whether it causes quite a bit of inflammation or notdoesnt mean the protocol is superior or inferior.Often times the inflammation doesnt matter.But i want to know, because in the case of my mom,inflammation does matter, a lot.Maybe

some thingsa in the oleander protocol(TOny protocol)would be ok and others not so much.Oleander itself, among the best thing, does it causeinflammation? A lot?Thanks!Olivier

November 14, 2009

Wow,

quite a post.

Now thats exactly the kind of post i needed,

as far as the reality of the cesium protocol.

Thanks so so much eva for the heartfelt writing

and caring.

Altough im still really undecided, this post helped tremendously.

I think i ll stick my mom with Oleander protocol + budwig +

energy work.

Now that ive just finished printing the 350 pages bill henderson

ebook and ran out of costly ink in the process - at least

i know i shouldnt bother with it and can move on and not waste time on it.

I dont know what to say Eva.

You really took the time to write and it was most helpful.

You can definitely say you did your goods for today! : )

thanks again

Its people like you and all the great people here that

gives us all hope, because we get all kind of great information

that can potentially heal.

cheers

Olivier

oleander soup , Eva Klein-Otis <eklein.otis wrote:

>

> Hi Olivier,

>

> I have tried all 3 protocols. However my case was quite different to your

mum's case. I had a near 3kg Liposarcoma removed surgically and then I started

both Cesium and Oleander about the same time a couple of months later. I did

this because the surgeon did not remove the tissue margin around my tumor and I

knew I still was making cancer cells and I still had cancer in me and I needed

to buy time to detox. Also, I knew Oleander might take time to work and I

wanted to have all bases covered. I was also very run down, had lost 15kg of

weight and I just wasn't doing so well.

>

> I found Cesium started working about 2 weeks into treatment. That meant I was

getting " activity " (not pain or discomfort) where I was feeling my sarcoma

pushing and hurting prior to surgery. Over time (the next couple of months) it

increased to the point that the inflammation was irritating to me, but not

painful. I only did 4 months of Cesium and by that time I had sourced all of

Tony's protocol and was taking 4 Oleander pills a day. (The liquid version was

too expensive with everything else I was doing). Also, the very loose stools on

Cesium were very irritating. Having said that, I know a lot of toxins were

leaving my body because I certainly did not smell like a sweet rose!!! When I

continued with the Oleander I continued to feel a lot of discomfort in the same

area. However I don't believe there was any inflammation.

>

> I also did the Bill Henderson Protocol for about 4 months - starting prior to

surgery. I just can't see how that Protocol is strong enough for pancreatic

cancer. It is a great treatment and I eagerly await ALL of Bill's newsletters,

but it requires you to swallow many pills! I dumped it because of that. I

still take in excess of 50 capsules a day, but they are tailored to my

individual needs and that will reduce in time. So perhaps you can discount the

Bill Henderson Protocol on that account - it doesn't fit the criteria you have

outlined in the past for your mum.

>

> Cesium does taste nasty! It needs to be disguised by pomegranate juice or

something very sweet. Your mum will also need to take other liquid minerals

that are tasteless and simple to slip into a drink. She will need to have lots

of blood taken. Every 10-21 days. Can she handle that? Potassium will need to

be monitored very closely and she will need to take around 2 TBS of liquid

Potassium a day as well as liquid Calcium/Magnesium a day. When I reduced

having my blood taken to 3 weeks I was getting hand cramps and I figured I was

low in potassium and so I took more. ( I was correct in my assumption, but not

a good feeling to have cramping hands). Potassium and Cal/Mag also taste awful.

However they can be disguised with OJ or Pomegranate juice etc. Larry will try

to sell you on his Ursolicare. It is fantastic stuff and I really believe it

will kill anything because believe me it is GROSSLY AND DISGUSTINGLY AWFUL TO

GET DOWN. I took

> that stuff for about 3 months and tried to put it into a Smoothie and by

about month 3 I was tired of vomiting it up again because of the taste of

Ursolicare. I am just warning and informing you here as I have lived this.

Also, the Cesium Protocol calls for DMSO to be applied to the skin I think once

a day. If your mum doesn't have sensitive skin she will be OK. It means you

need to spray 2 TBS of DMSO onto her skin all over her body (back, arms, legs)

in order to facilitate Cesium going into the cells. I got sick of this after

week 2 and began ingesting Cesium orally. However my cancer was in the

retroperitoneum and not in the digestive tract and therefore I don't think it is

an option for your mum. Olivier, I am not trying to dissuade you from Cesium. I

would do it again if I had to. However, I have been on this road and I am just

letting you know what I encountered. I am a stubborn 39 year-old woman who can

tolerate a lot and I can

> handle a lot of foul tasting stuff - just ask my husband :-) I just want you

to know that this Protocol is great, however there is a lot to it.

>

> Olivier, Oleander is fantastic. It can take time to work. You have Tony as a

resource as well as those of us who have walked your mum's path. With Cesium

you also have Larry from Essense of Life as a resource who will answer your

questions by phone. He is, I find a very opinionated person. But when I got

past the arrogance, I did glean a lot of info that kept me going and some of the

things he said still echo in my mind today and I am thankful for his words of

hope and abrasive encouragement.

>

> Have you asked your mum what she would prefer? Is she ready to deal with

diarrhoea, or inflammation or frequent visits to have blood taken? Is she OK

with you calling people like Larry and him giving you advice and you following

it sort of blindly because you need something that works fast? I think you are

doing an awesome job and your mum can be so proud of you being her advocate.

However, she needs to do all of this and when we take these liquids and

supplements our bodies begin to detox. I guess she needs to know and be on

board with all of this. Even just a little bit. Women are intuitive - we often

know what path we should take. Maybe you can present her with the info and see

what she wants. At the end of the day, it is her choice.

>

> Regardless of what your mum decides, you can rest assured that you are a

fantastic son who is doing all he can do to help. That is admirable and I, as a

woman who lives with the threat of cancer coming back, I personally commend you

and I think you are doing a fantastic job. If you can, involve your mum as much

as you can, because she needs to do it. It is both your journey, but

ultimately, your mum has to want this, too.

>

> Take Care Olivier, and please feel free to ask any questions. I am always

happy to answer.

>

> Blessings to you both,

> Eva.