Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 That may be true if you only use the bicarbonate of soda alone. But if you use it with the sugar, be it maple syrup, molasses, honey or whatever, and it does not cure the cancer, then you have given (fed) the cancer all that sugar to grow on. This is the main reason I am so leery of this method. I'm waiting to see some studies on it or to meet someone that has used it sucessfully to cure their cancer, without taking anti-cancer drugs from their dr. while taking the BS & M. Watcher wrote: > > > Response > > Baking soda (bicarbonate of soda) cannot hurt anyone. It has been used > for indigestion for many years and it helps with the PH balance of the > blood and tissue. > > So, what is the harm in taking it..... and if the prostate cancer > count goes down write it off to conincidence. If nothing changes you > haven't lost anything and you could even say " I told you so " . > > N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 You do not need bicarbonate of soda to balance the body’s pH. If it becomes out of balance, you will die---very quickly. The whole article is a fraud. The person in question was going through chemotherapy and by the way he took some bicarbonate, but if you read the article all the great results were due to the “natural” bicarb. Bob R oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Lady Pilgrim Monday, November 16, 2009 11:06 PM oleander soup Re: Baking soda - prostate cancer That may be true if you only use the bicarbonate of soda alone. But if you use it with the sugar, be it maple syrup, molasses, honey or whatever, and it does not cure the cancer, then you have given (fed) the cancer all that sugar to grow on. This is the main reason I am so leery of this method. I'm waiting to see some studies on it or to meet someone that has used it sucessfully to cure their cancer, without taking anti-cancer drugs from their dr. while taking the BS & M. R. Watcher wrote: > > > Response to Bob R. > > Baking soda (bicarbonate of soda) cannot hurt anyone. It has been used > for indigestion for many years and it helps with the PH balance of the > blood and tissue. > > So, what is the harm in taking it..... and if the prostate cancer > count goes down write it off to conincidence. If nothing changes you > haven't lost anything and you could even say " I told you so " . > > N. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 My father was diagnosed with prostate cancer several years ago at the age of 79. He chose not to follow the allopathic protocol recommended by his doctor - - - being in the medical field, he was a veterinarin, he was very aware of the many claims made by the medical field in support of recommended procedures. He was also aware that the chance of the procedure working was very slim. He always asked his doctor "How many have been cured from this procedure?" The doctor was obviously very frustrated with him. My father also took baking soda every day to settle his stomach. He did this for as long as I can remember. I was puzzled because when my father was diagnosed, I was aware of the baking soda claims. His years of taking baking soda did not prevent him from prostate cancer nor did it work to heal him. He died a natural death from prostate and colon cancer a year and a half ago. We did everything we knew to do at the time, and we kept his colon open in spite of the baseball size tumor which he elected not to have removed. I wish I had known about the olenander earlier. I did order it for him as soon as I found out about it, but it was too late. Quality of life was what he was after, and he was out and about-- fishing and fooling around up until 2 weeks before he died. Sophie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 As I have stated before, baking soda might be an effective option for any cancers it can come into direct contact with - which would be cancers ranging from the mouth and esophagus down through the digestive system all the way perhaps to the rectum. Other than that, baking soda is unlikely to have much benefit unless perhaps taken intravenously. It is like a group member previously observed: baking soda will also take the corrosion off battery terminals in your car, but it won't work if you add it to the gas tank. Intravenous baking soda has had some success, as has the direct injection of baking soda into or near the cancer site - but not nearly as much success as has been claimed by the self-promoting Tulio Simoncini, who I believe has been largely exposed as fraudulent in many ways. Myself, I would far prefer Budwig and oleander and other elements of my suggested anti-cancer protocol, and one only has to look at the recent post by Rupert to see how successful that can be for prostate cancer. All the best, oleander soup , "Sophie" <woodmelvin wrote:>> My father was diagnosed with prostate cancer several years ago at the age of 79. He chose not to follow the allopathic protocol recommended by his doctor - - - being in the medical field, he was a veterinarin, he was very aware of the many claims made by the medical field in support of recommended procedures. He was also aware that the chance of the procedure working was very slim. He always asked his doctor "How many have been cured from this procedure?" The doctor was obviously very frustrated with him. > > My father also took baking soda every day to settle his stomach. He did this for as long as I can remember. > > I was puzzled because when my father was diagnosed, I was aware of the baking soda claims. His years of taking baking soda did not prevent him from prostate cancer nor did it work to heal him. He died a natural death from prostate and colon cancer a year and a half ago. We did everything we knew to do at the time, and we kept his colon open in spite of the baseball size tumor which he elected not to have removed. > > I wish I had known about the olenander earlier. I did order it for him as soon as I found out about it, but it was too late. Quality of life was what he was after, and he was out and about-- fishing and fooling around up until 2 weeks before he died. > > Sophie> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Simoncini is a total fraud. He is the “doctor” who said cancer is caused by a fungus. No telling how many people suffered and died because they believed his BS. We have many options available to control cancer, baking soda is not one of them. Bob R oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of TonyI Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:37 AM oleander soup Re: Baking soda - prostate cancer As I have stated before, baking soda might be an effective option for any cancers it can come into direct contact with - which would be cancers ranging from the mouth and esophagus down through the digestive system all the way perhaps to the rectum. Other than that, baking soda is unlikely to have much benefit unless perhaps taken intravenously. It is like a group member previously observed: baking soda will also take the corrosion off battery terminals in your car, but it won't work if you add it to the gas tank. Intravenous baking soda has had some success, as has the direct injection of baking soda into or near the cancer site - but not nearly as much success as has been claimed by the self-promoting Tulio Simoncini, who I believe has been largely exposed as fraudulent in many ways. Myself, I would far prefer Budwig and oleander and other elements of my suggested anti-cancer protocol, and one only has to look at the recent post by Rupert to see how successful that can be for prostate cancer. All the best, oleander soup , " Sophie " <woodmelvin wrote: > > My father was diagnosed with prostate cancer several years ago at the age of 79. He chose not to follow the allopathic protocol recommended by his doctor - - - being in the medical field, he was a veterinarin, he was very aware of the many claims made by the medical field in support of recommended procedures. He was also aware that the chance of the procedure working was very slim. He always asked his doctor " How many have been cured from this procedure? " The doctor was obviously very frustrated with him. > > My father also took baking soda every day to settle his stomach. He did this for as long as I can remember. > > I was puzzled because when my father was diagnosed, I was aware of the baking soda claims. His years of taking baking soda did not prevent him from prostate cancer nor did it work to heal him. He died a natural death from prostate and colon cancer a year and a half ago. We did everything we knew to do at the time, and we kept his colon open in spite of the baseball size tumor which he elected not to have removed. > > I wish I had known about the olenander earlier. I did order it for him as soon as I found out about it, but it was too late. Quality of life was what he was after, and he was out and about-- fishing and fooling around up until 2 weeks before he died. > > Sophie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 I agree with you on Simoncini (he and his self-promoting hype have been much discussed here) and pretty much on baking soda too - though I might gargle wiith it if I had throat or mouth cancer and perhaps apply it topically to skin cancers. As far as I am concerned the "cancer is a fungus or is caused by a fungus" can be tossed in the same trash can as some other highly promoted single cause and universal cures that sell lots of books but are mostly rubbish as far as being universal, including the cancer is caused by a mysterious fluke theory of Hulda Clark's, cancer is caused by trauma, cancer is caused by a virus, and cancer is an overall body response to protect the host theories. All the best, oleander soup , "Bobby E Rehberg" <brehberg wrote:>> Simoncini is a total fraud. He is the "doctor" who said cancer is caused by> a fungus. No telling how many people suffered and died because they> believed his BS. We have many options available to control cancer, baking> soda is not one of them.> > > > Bob R > > > > oleander soup oleander soup On> Behalf Of TonyI> Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:37 AM> oleander soup > Re: Baking soda - prostate cancer> > > > > > As I have stated before, baking soda might be an effective option for any> cancers it can come into direct contact with - which would be cancers> ranging from the mouth and esophagus down through the digestive system all> the way perhaps to the rectum. Other than that, baking soda is unlikely to> have much benefit unless perhaps taken intravenously. It is like a group> member previously observed: baking soda will also take the corrosion off> battery terminals in your car, but it won't work if you add it to the gas> tank.> > Intravenous baking soda has had some success, as has the direct injection of> baking soda into or near the cancer site - but not nearly as much success as> has been claimed by the self-promoting Tulio Simoncini, who I believe has> been largely exposed as fraudulent in many ways.> > Myself, I would far prefer Budwig and oleander and other elements of my> suggested anti-cancer protocol, and one only has to look at the recent post> by Rupert to see how successful that can be for prostate cancer.> > All the best,> > Tony> > > oleander soup , "Sophie" woodmelvin@ wrote:> >> > My father was diagnosed with prostate cancer several years ago at the age> of 79. He chose not to follow the allopathic protocol recommended by his> doctor - - - being in the medical field, he was a veterinarin, he was very> aware of the many claims made by the medical field in support of recommended> procedures. He was also aware that the chance of the procedure working was> very slim. He always asked his doctor "How many have been cured from this> procedure?" The doctor was obviously very frustrated with him. > > > > My father also took baking soda every day to settle his stomach. He did> this for as long as I can remember. > > > > I was puzzled because when my father was diagnosed, I was aware of the> baking soda claims. His years of taking baking soda did not prevent him from> prostate cancer nor did it work to heal him. He died a natural death from> prostate and colon cancer a year and a half ago. We did everything we knew> to do at the time, and we kept his colon open in spite of the baseball size> tumor which he elected not to have removed. > > > > I wish I had known about the olenander earlier. I did order it for him as> soon as I found out about it, but it was too late. Quality of life was what> he was after, and he was out and about-- fishing and fooling around up until> 2 weeks before he died. > > > > Sophie> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Hi On the debate on “bicarbonate of sodium” I would like to ask the question what do you think about the book “The pH miracle” by Dr Young ? Do you believe in the theory of cancer thriving only in an acidity environment and not in an alkaline environment? In your protocol as in most protocols you recommend a pH balance. Bicarbonate of sodium is not recommended by Dr Young as a cure but as a supplement to control your acidity. I would believe also that it should help any cleanse program. As far as I am concerned there is no magic cure. You have to create the right environment for your immune system to fight back. Thank you for all your advice in this forum Roger oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of TonyI Thursday, November 19, 2009 5:29 AM oleander soup Re: Baking soda - prostate cancer I agree with you on Simoncini (he and his self-promoting hype have been much discussed here) and pretty much on baking soda too - though I might gargle wiith it if I had throat or mouth cancer and perhaps apply it topically to skin cancers. As far as I am concerned the " cancer is a fungus or is caused by a fungus " can be tossed in the same trash can as some other highly promoted single cause and universal cures that sell lots of books but are mostly rubbish as far as being universal, including the cancer is caused by a mysterious fluke theory of Hulda Clark's, cancer is caused by trauma, cancer is caused by a virus, and cancer is an overall body response to protect the host theories. All the best, oleander soup , " Bobby E Rehberg " <brehberg wrote: > > Simoncini is a total fraud. He is the " doctor " who said cancer is caused by > a fungus. No telling how many people suffered and died because they > believed his BS. We have many options available to control cancer, baking > soda is not one of them. > > > > Bob R > > > > oleander soup oleander soup On > Behalf Of TonyI > Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:37 AM > oleander soup > Re: Baking soda - prostate cancer > > > > > > As I have stated before, baking soda might be an effective option for any > cancers it can come into direct contact with - which would be cancers > ranging from the mouth and esophagus dow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 I haven't read the book, but I have read several excerpts and seen it discussed. It sounds like a good book. There are many things a person can do to help create a more alkaline environment. In that respect, baking soda might be beneficial. All the best, oleander soup , "roger" <rcael wrote:>> Hi Tony> > > > On the debate on "bicarbonate of sodium" I would like to ask the question> what do you think about the book "The pH miracle" by Dr Young ? Do you> believe in the theory of cancer thriving only in an acidity environment and> not in an alkaline environment? In your protocol as in most protocols you> recommend a pH balance. Bicarbonate of sodium is not recommended by Dr Young> as a cure but as a supplement to control your acidity. I would believe also> that it should help any cleanse program. > > As far as I am concerned there is no magic cure. You have to create the> right environment for your immune system to fight back.> > > > Thank you for all your advice in this forum> > > > Roger> > > > _____ > > oleander soup oleander soup On> Behalf Of TonyI> Thursday, November 19, 2009 5:29 AM> oleander soup > Re: Baking soda - prostate cancer> > > > > > I agree with you on Simoncini (he and his self-promoting hype have been much> discussed here) and pretty much on baking soda too - though I might gargle> wiith it if I had throat or mouth cancer and perhaps apply it topically to> skin cancers.> > As far as I am concerned the "cancer is a fungus or is caused by a fungus"> can be tossed in the same trash can as some other highly promoted single> cause and universal cures that sell lots of books but are mostly rubbish as> far as being universal, including the cancer is caused by a mysterious fluke> theory of Hulda Clark's, cancer is caused by trauma, cancer is caused by a> virus, and cancer is an overall body response to protect the host theories.> > All the best,> > Tony> > oleander soup , "Bobby E Rehberg" brehberg@ wrote:> >> > Simoncini is a total fraud. He is the "doctor" who said cancer is caused> by> > a fungus. No telling how many people suffered and died because they> > believed his BS. We have many options available to control cancer, baking> > soda is not one of them.> > > > > > > > Bob R > > > > > > > > oleander soup oleander soup> On> > Behalf Of TonyI> > Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:37 AM> > oleander soup > > Re: Baking soda - prostate cancer> > > > > > > > > > > > As I have stated before, baking soda might be an effective option for any> > cancers it can come into direct contact with - which would be cancers> > ranging from the mouth and esophagus dow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 It is refreshing to debate about the different opinions regarding certain disease protocols. Wherever you or anybody will admit GOD is the healer and not what man proposes. God has given is all we need in nature and we must keep an open mind to the many cures he has given, Herbs, Plants, sea vegetables,seeds, etc. Lets not quibble over the protocols and lets help one another overcome what man has given us diseases that the medical establishment has deemed to make mysterious and confusing. Keep up the good work all of you out there and realize that we can overcome Sincerely Cypriano oleander soup From: Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:52:37 +0000 Re: Baking soda - prostate cancer I haven't read the book, but I have read several excerpts and seen it discussed. It sounds like a good book. There are many things a person can do to help create a more alkaline environment. In that respect, baking soda might be beneficial. All the best, oleander soup , "roger" <rcael wrote:>> Hi Tony> > > > On the debate on "bicarbonate of sodium" I would like to ask the question> what do you think about the book "The pH miracle" by Dr Young ? Do you> believe in the theory of cancer thriving only in an acidity environment and> not in an alkaline environment? In your protocol as in most protocols you> recommend a pH balance. Bicarbonate of sodium is not recommended by Dr Young> as a cure but as a supplement to control your acidity. I would believe also> that it should help any cleanse program. > > As far as I am concerned there is no magic cure. You have to create the> right environment for your immune system to fight back.> > > > Thank you for all your advice in this forum> > > > Roger> > > > _____ > > oleander soup oleander soup On> Behalf Of TonyI> Thursday, November 19, 2009 5:29 AM> oleander soup > Re: Baking soda - prostate cancer> > > > > > I agree with you on Simoncini (he and his self-promoting hype have been much> discussed here) and pretty much on baking soda too - though I might gargle> wiith it if I had throat or mouth cancer and perhaps apply it topically to> skin cancers.> > As far as I am concerned the "cancer is a fungus or is caused by a fungus"> can be tossed in the same trash can as some other highly promoted single> cause and universal cures that sell lots of books but are mostly rubbish as> far as being universal, including the cancer is caused by a mysterious fluke> theory of Hulda Clark's, cancer is caused by trauma, cancer is caused by a> virus, and cancer is an overall body response to protect the host theories.> > All the best,> > Tony> > oleander soup , "Bobby E Rehberg" brehberg@ wrote:> >> > Simoncini is a total fraud. He is the "doctor" who said cancer is caused> by> > a fungus. No telling how many people suffered and died because they> > believed his BS. We have many options available to control cancer, baking> > soda is not one of them.> > > > > > > > Bob R > > > > > > > > oleander soup oleander soup> On> > Behalf Of TonyI> > Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:37 AM> > oleander soup > > Re: Baking soda - prostate cancer> > > > > > > > > > > > As I have stated before, baking soda might be an effective option for any> > cancers it can come into direct contact with - which would be cancers> > ranging from the mouth and esophagus dow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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