Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Reference question about chelation: It depends on the extent of the blockage. I had a 99% blockage in one heart vein and my alternative Dr. told me to have angioplasty cuz it would save my life. After the stent was installed I was just like new no heart damage. Then I had 30 sessions of EDTA Chelation and 40 sessions of phospatydlecholine (It gets the soft plaque). While sitting for these 3 hour IV's I had an opportunity to talk to a lot of people whose lives were greatly changed for the better by having EDTA Chelation. One fellow said before he started he couldn't walk across a parking lot without stopping several times to catch his breath. After only 15 EDTA sessions he said he was walking 2 miles a day with no problem and he was going for the whole standard 30 session. Other people I talked to had similar experiences. One lady came clear from Alaska to stay with her sister and have chelation she told me should couldn't walk because of plugged arteries in her legs. I don't recall when the improvements began to show but when I met her she was walking just like anyone else. There was absolutely no doubt in the minds of anyone I talked to that Chelation was a life saving procedure. My Dr. charges $100 for seniors per EDTA 3 hour IV and it's not covered by insurance, at least not Medicare. It incredible that they would pay $100,000 for by-pass surgery but they won't pay $3000 for EDTA chelation to accomplish the same thing with a lot less risk The reason Dr. told me to go get angioplasty was it was 99% plugged and he said chelation was a slow process and if I got a clot it could well kill me. Needless to say I did what he recommended. I just wish I had caught it earlier I probably could have avoided the angioplasty procedure. No matter what they tell you a procedure like that is risky. Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 It depends on the extent of the blockage. I had a 99% blockage in one heart vien and my alternative Dr. told me to have angiplasty cuz it would save my life. After the stent was installed I was just like new no heart damage. Then I had 30 sessions of EDTA Chelation and 40 sessions of phospatydlecholine (It gets the soft plaque). While sitting for these 3 hour IV's I had an opportunity to talk to a lot of people whoes lives were greatly changed for the better by having EDTA Chelation. One fellow said before he started he couldn't walk across a parking lot without stopping several times to catch his breath. After only 15 EDTA sessions he said he was walking 2 miles a day with no problem and he was going for the whole standard 30 session. Other people I talked to had similar experiences. One lady came clear from Alaska to stay with her sister and have chelation she told me should couldn't walk because of plugged arteries in her legs. I don't recall when the improvements began to show but when I met her she was walking just like anyone else. There was absolutely no doubt in the minds of anyone I talked to that Chelation was a life saving proceedure. My Dr. charges $100 for seniors per EDTA 3 hour IV and it's not covered by insurance, at least not Medicare. It incredible that they would pay $100,000 for by-pass surgery but they won't pay $3000 for EDTA chelation to accomplish the same thing with a lot less risk The reason Dr. told me to go get angioplasty was it was 99% plugged and he said chelation was a slow process and if I got a clot it could well kill me. Needless to say I did what he recommended. I just wish I had caught it earlier I probably could have avoided the angioplasty proceedure. No matter what they tell you a proceedure like that is risky. Jack , Jack Nichols <dolliwog60 wrote: > > I just talked with a friend who went to his doctor for a knee problem evaluation and it turned out that they didn't want to do anything because they discovered some heart irregularities. They Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Alternatively, you could use simple and relatively inexpensive amino acids (lysine and proline) alongside vitamin C, vitamin E, and niacin. Lysine and proline bind to and remove the initiator of blockage, which is the lipoprotein A (LpA). LpA has a lysine binding site, which logically binds to lysine - it needs to be able to do this, when weaknesses form in the walls of your arteries. Vitamin C helps form new collagen, to strengthen your arteries - where a lack of vitamin C is the proposed cause of the weakening of arteries, due to limited collagen production (vitamin C is a precursor to hundreds of chemical reactions, collagen production being just one of them). Afterall, athersclerosis mostly forms at the point of maximum mechanical stress - around the heart. Vitamin C has many other benefits for the cardiovascular system. These are: blood sugar control, nitric oxide production, mildly reduces platelet aggregation, mild diuretic, lowers a high cholesterol (by eliminating the cause of high cholesterol), and reduces free radical damage. All are extremely important. Vitamin E is a crucial element in cardiovascular health. Increases the strength of each heart beat, increases peripheral perfusion, and is an antioxidant. One clinic has successfully treated over 30 thousand patients with vitamin E as the primary tool. There is much more to it than what I have discussed. I'd go into vitamin E and niacin, but I've been travelling for over 30 hours and am rather jetlagged Please read the numerous articles on vitamin E at www.doctoryourself.com to find out in more detail. Also the work of Linus Pauling. cheers, Russ. Jack Milliorn wrote something about: > Reference question about chelation: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 I have a patient currently doing regular acupuncture treatments for ALS and is not thinking about adding Chelation. I was wondering if anyone has had experience with Chelation. In particular for ALS? If anyone knows of any studies out there talking about Chelation Therapy, that would be most helpful. Thank you for your time. Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Chelation is only FDA approved for heavy metal poisoning. I know it is marketed for a lot of other things, including atherosclerosis. It is supposed to remove the calcium from the plaque. Unfortunately, calcium is not a heavy metal. EDTA actually contains calcium or magnesium (or both), and chemically, you don't remove calcium with more calcium or with an even more reactive metal such as magnesium. I know the NIH is sponsoring a chelation study on atherosclerosis. No results yet. Jeff atran2464 wrote: > > > I have a patient currently doing regular acupuncture treatments for ALS > and is not thinking about adding Chelation. I was wondering if anyone > has had experience with Chelation. In particular for ALS? If anyone > knows of any studies out there talking about Chelation Therapy, that > would be most helpful. > > Thank you for your time. > > Ann > > > -- Jeff Smoley LMT MA 52162 www.JadePowerQigong.com www.yuliqigong.com www.SomaticSA.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Hi. Do not know so much about it, What I DO know is that there are some articles about Chelation at Arthritistrust http://www.arthritistrust.com/articlescurrent.htm /Peter Chinese Traditional Medicine , " atran2464 " <atran2464 wrote: > > > I have a patient currently doing regular acupuncture treatments for ALS > and is not thinking about adding Chelation. I was wondering if anyone > has had experience with Chelation. In particular for ALS? If anyone > knows of any studies out there talking about Chelation Therapy, that > would be most helpful. > > Thank you for your time. > > Ann > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Jeff Smoley <yuliqigong wrote: > > Chelation is only FDA approved for heavy metal poisoning. > I know it is marketed for a lot of other things, including atherosclerosis. > It is supposed to remove the calcium from the plaque. Unfortunately, > calcium is not a heavy metal. > EDTA actually contains calcium or magnesium (or both), and chemically, > you don't remove calcium with more calcium or with an even more reactive > metal such as magnesium. > I know the NIH is sponsoring a chelation study on atherosclerosis. No > results yet. > > Jeff > > > Howdy. Apparently, the phytate portion of whole grains is supposed to remove excess deposits of calcium in soft tissues. I have heard that this is available as a supplement. It is called IP 6 if I recall correctly. I guess, tho, if you consume a lot of whole grains in the course of following a vegan diet, you would eventually suffer mineral losses in a negative way after cleanout has occurred. So the folks at the Weston Price organization advise " special preparation " of grains, including long-raised bread, to break down the phytates as well as other anti nutrients in whole grains, seeds & nuts. Sounds good to me. That, or eat lots of good quality dairy products along with your " improperly prepared " whole grains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Please see: http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi39.html http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/ip6.html and less commercial http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/content/NWS_3_1x_IP6.asp http://www.mdanderson.org/departments/nutrition/display.cfm?id=46b9f284-f7a3-11d\ 4-810400508b603a14 & method=displayfull & pn=0b726d07-f6da-11d4-810400508b603a14 http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/25/11/2115 From the above, the IP6 in foods is too tightly bound to fiber to help as much as IP6 as an extract. It also appears you may need to supplement your mineral intake and IP6 needs to be taken without foods. Jeff Mrs. Barley wrote: > > > > Howdy. Apparently, the phytate portion of whole grains is supposed to > remove excess deposits of calcium in soft tissues. I have heard that > this is available as a supplement. It is called IP 6 if I recall > correctly. > > I guess, tho, if you consume a lot of whole grains in the course of > following a vegan diet, you would eventually suffer mineral losses in > a negative way after cleanout has occurred. So the folks at the > Weston Price organization advise " special preparation " of grains, > including long-raised bread, to break down the phytates as well as > other anti nutrients in whole grains, seeds & nuts. Sounds good to > me. That, or eat lots of good quality dairy products along with your > " improperly prepared " whole grains. > > _ -- Jeff Smoley LMT MA 52162 www.JadePowerQigong.com www.yuliqigong.com www.SomaticSA.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Jeff Smoley <yuliqigong wrote: > > Please see: > > http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi39.html > http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/ip6.html > > and less commercial > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid > http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/content/NWS_3_1x_IP6.asp > http://www.mdanderson.org/departments/nutrition/display.cfm?id=46b9f284-f7a3-11d\ 4-810400508b603a14 & method=displayfull & pn=0b726d07-f6da-11d4-810400508b603a14 > http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/25/11/2115 > > From the above, the IP6 in foods is too tightly bound to fiber to help > as much as IP6 as an extract. It also appears you may need to supplement > your mineral intake and IP6 needs to be taken without foods. > > Jeff > > > Mrs. Barley wrote: > > > > > > > > Howdy. Apparently, the phytate portion of whole grains is supposed to > > remove excess deposits of calcium in soft tissues. I have heard that > > this is available as a supplement. It is called IP 6 if I recall > > correctly. > > > > I guess, tho, if you consume a lot of whole grains in the course of > > following a vegan diet, you would eventually suffer mineral losses in > > a negative way after cleanout has occurred. So the folks at the > > Weston Price organization advise " special preparation " of grains, > > including long-raised bread, to break down the phytates as well as > > other anti nutrients in whole grains, seeds & nuts. Sounds good to > > me. That, or eat lots of good quality dairy products along with your > > " improperly prepared " whole grains. Jeff - I read several articles on IP6. First they say that this substance removes only excess, in-the-wrong-place minerals and metals, such as calcium in soft tissues for only one example. Then they say you should supplement with minerals! Any idea why? I don't think the whole story is known yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Mrs. Barley <chosenbarley wrote: > Jeff - I read several articles on IP6. First they say that this > substance removes only excess, in-the-wrong-place minerals and metals, > such as calcium in soft tissues for only one example. > > Then they say you should supplement with minerals! Any idea why? I > don't think the whole story is known yet. > My working theory is that there are some articles or websites devoted to describing the therapeutic action of these materials. This is legal, however if they're selling the product too, then this is illegal. DSHEA (Dietary Supplement Health Education Act) states that you can't claim to treat disease with dietary supplements outside of a very small list of known diseases that are treatable by vitamins. (eg. Vit. D for rickets, Vit. C for scurvy, etc.) " Disease claims " are not the same as " Structure / Function claims " which are legal under DSHEA. You can learn more here: http://gancao.net/DSHEA So, while the claim may be made that IP6 removes calcium from muscle tissue, that would be suggesting a disease treatment assuming that there are diseases caused by calcium in the muscles. I don't want to debate that either way, I'm just explaining the shift in their rhetoric. As long as this is information only, it is okay to say. However, if they're trying to sell IP6 via " buy now " buttons or links to locations where one can buy it, they're switching gears and actually providing a sales pitch rather than health information. IP6 as a dietary supplement can only " maintain normal structure or function " . Hence, the disclaimer that " this product is not intended to cure any disease... " and the use of terms such as " dietary supplement " . So, based on what you've described, I'm guessing that this is all DSHEA stuff. -al. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Not from the not commercial sites. Things like targeted fat loss, miracle cures, etc. are no more than marketing hype. Anything you put in the body effects the whole body. Since the chemical can decrease the amount of certain minerals in the body, you need to supplement. I am working on an article on translating marketing/advertising speak to English. I am also trying to get my state senators & representatives to sponsor a true in advertising bill, after I was asked to sit in on an MLM meeting that was selling a non-transdermal patch. Put one on the sternum and one where it hurts and Quantum Physics fixes you. If you believe this is have some cheap land for you about 75 miles east of Miami Beach. Jeff Mrs. Barley wrote: > > - > > Jeff - I read several articles on IP6. First they say that this > substance removes only excess, in-the-wrong-place minerals and metals, > such as calcium in soft tissues for only one example. > > Then they say you should supplement with minerals! Any idea why? I > don't think the whole story is known yet. > -- Jeff Smoley LMT MA 52162 www.JadePowerQigong.com www.yuliqigong.com www.SomaticSA.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Jeff Smoley <yuliqigong wrote: > Anything you put in the body effects the whole body. > Since the chemical can decrease the amount of certain minerals in the > body, you need to supplement. > Ah, that answers Mrs. Barley's observations. > I am also trying to get my state senators & representatives to > sponsor a true in advertising bill, after I was asked to sit in on an > MLM meeting that was selling a non-transdermal patch. Put one on the > sternum and one where it hurts and Quantum Physics fixes you. > The law may already exist. It really comes down to making a medical (disease claim) without FDA approval as a medical device. Acupuncture needles went through the same process. The question then comes down to enforcement. In terms of these medical claims, they're all regulated by the FDA. All you have to do is complain, that will get the ball rolling. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Jeff Smoley <yuliqigong wrote: > > I am working on an article on translating marketing/advertising speak to > English. > > Jeff > > >I am looking forward to seeing that article, Jeff. I've seen a few minor tranlations but I hope your article will be comprehensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 See my rant for one about " testing " . Jeff Mrs. Barley wrote: >I am looking forward to seeing that article, Jeff. I've seen a few minor tranlations but I hope your article will be comprehensive. > > > -- Jeff Smoley LMT MA 52162 www.JadePowerQigong.com www.yuliqigong.com www.SomaticSA.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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