Flow of qi and emotional/spritual release

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

 

I'm female, 21 years of age. Before the discovery of this stricture

of the ureter I was subjected to repeated urinary infections, one

after another for the length of 2/3 months of last year (from spring

break onwards). I was given antibiotics and told to go away by my

doctor. It wasn't until I was in excruciating pain (lower back and

inside surface of the bladder) and began urinating blood that I was

taken seriously and an investigation of the internals was begun.

 

It wasn't until this had been diagnosed as something other than a

figment of my imagination. Now that we know what it is and how to

fix it (surgery) I get the impression by the urologist that I should

have no further questions on the matter. BUT I can't help wonder how

a physical malfunction could affect the development of the

emotional/spiritual aspects of our being. I understand that the

physical problems (like a malfunctioned organ) can be removed and

this will not remove the qi aspect (or sub-spirit), but surely it

must affect it somehow.

 

I've been trying to work myself throught the logic of it for a few

weeks now. We know that Yin (blood, and body fluids) are dependant

upon Yang (qi) to move. One cannot be without the other. If we look

at pelvi-ureteric-junction-obstruction, there's a physical

obstruction which is hindering the flow of toxins out of the body.

If the fluids are not moving, doesn't this mean that the qi is also

not flowing as it should be, with ease? Would this prevent the

spirit from being nourished by the qi of the entire body? Or does

the spirit develop through other means, and if so please explain how

(remember that this is a congenital condition).

 

If I'm on the right track, then is it possible that the removal of

the pysical obstruction, could lead to an emotional release which

had previously been congested? In this case (as the kidney is the

organ directly involved), maybe, unsubstancial fear, or unable to

face the prospect of becomming older (I don't think it'd be the

second one in my case).I find it increasingly difficult to seperate

the two aspects of the body that so beautifully

entwines [spirit and body].

 

Does anyone have any veiws on this?

 

Keep well.

Jag

[Guest guest]

Emotions are by and large a cause to illness, but it is expedient to

resolve the physical illness first, and then work on emotions. In any case,

what

builds up by emotionality will not be resolved overnight.

 

Sometimes, rather than look at an illness per se, one may look to deeper

imbalances. Traditionally, this has revolved around:

 

1. Balancing the 8 extraordinary channels.

2. Correcting body asymmetry.

3. Correcting internal stagnation.

 

In my understanding, # 3 should be attempted first, and it is best done by

the

methodologies of Matsumoto et al.

 

Because of the locus, pelvo-ureteric junction, in the R or L iliac fossa,

or/and

in the lower Warmer, one should look for and correct stagnation here.

 

Commonest is LV stagnation to L of navel, and LU stagnation, to the R of

navel.

 

This is found by palpating an area bounded by ST 25 to ST 27 horizontally,

and K 16, vertically. This makes for a sort of a triangle with its base

alongside the

Ren as a median, and the apex at ST 27. Tenderness and indurations show a

positive reflex.

 

This is released by working on the L LV 4 and LU 5, but by Japanese

orientation. Later one does the same to the R LV 4 and LU 5. There

are a slew of follow-up points which will knock the stagnation silly.

 

Of course you need a trained professional steeped in Matsumoto school to

do this for you. The process is not difficult, and renders marvelous

results.

 

In effect, if stagnation is the cause, the stricture can be released even

without being directly worked on. On the other hand, if stricture is

released

in some manner and the stagnation remains, it will return as stricture, or

some nasty little profile somewhere else.

 

If you find some one ready to work with you and need more input, I will

be glad to quote details from Matsumoto's work, and some neat stuff I have

developed.

 

Another approach would be to work out the 8 extra channel pair involved.

This is done by symptomology, or by pulse profiles, or both.

 

The former is easier, I've created a checklist sort of grid somewhere, and

more

can be read from Extraordinary Vessels by Matsumoto and Birch.

 

The pulse profile can be found in a little book, Pulse Diagnosis by

Li Shi Zhen, a darling of a man, Paradigm Publications, pps. 54 to 57.

You can pick up the profiles, as well as the symptomology for each extra

channel.

 

Men don't often fall into the darling category, unless they create by the

heart,

and structure it by the mind, with the right degree of arrogance, mellowed

with

temperance and the capacity to smile more than frown.

 

To sum up: work with 1 and 3, and later 2.

 

By and large, if done neatly, your symptoms might disappear altogether, even

when not addressed directly.

 

'To address the noisy is folly. To speak to the Silent is wisdom " .

[Guess who coined that one!]

 

Which is to say, systems with symptoms are the effect; whereas systems

sinisterly silent are the cause. Treat the latter. Treating the former may

bring relief

but transform the illness. Treating the latter will address the cause and

the

presenting symptoms, all at the same time.

 

As they say in a time honored, centuries old proverb in Northern India:

" Teez tarke ga'am zann, manzile ma.n door nee'st " .

 

Stride with purpose most singular, the journey's end is not far.

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video for acupuncture recertification. NCCAOM

reviewed. Also CA NM AZ MA and most states. $ 299 all 50 states in US. S & H

and tax included.

[Guest guest]

Dr. K,

 

I will try it today.

Thank You

 

 

 

--- " dr. k " <aryaone wrote:

 

Emotions are by and large a cause to illness, but it

is expedient to

resolve the physical illness first, and then work on

emotions. In any case,

what

builds up by emotionality will not be resolved

overnight.

 

Sometimes, rather than look at an illness per se, one

may look to deeper

imbalances. Traditionally, this has revolved around:

 

1. Balancing the 8 extraordinary channels.

2. Correcting body asymmetry.

3. Correcting internal stagnation.

 

In my understanding, # 3 should be attempted first,

and it is best done by

the

methodologies of Matsumoto et al.

 

Because of the locus, pelvo-ureteric junction, in the

R or L iliac fossa,

or/and

in the lower Warmer, one should look for and correct

stagnation here.

 

Commonest is LV stagnation to L of navel, and LU

stagnation, to the R of

navel.

 

This is found by palpating an area bounded by ST 25 to

ST 27 horizontally,

and K 16, vertically. This makes for a sort of a

triangle with its base

alongside the

Ren as a median, and the apex at ST 27. Tenderness and

indurations show a

positive reflex.

 

This is released by working on the L LV 4 and LU 5,

but by Japanese

orientation. Later one does the same to the R LV 4 and

LU 5. There

are a slew of follow-up points which will knock the

stagnation silly.

 

Of course you need a trained professional steeped in

Matsumoto school to

do this for you. The process is not difficult, and

renders marvelous

results.

 

In effect, if stagnation is the cause, the stricture

can be released even

without being directly worked on. On the other hand,

if stricture is

released

in some manner and the stagnation remains, it will

return as stricture, or

some nasty little profile somewhere else.

 

If you find some one ready to work with you and need

more input, I will

be glad to quote details from Matsumoto's work, and

some neat stuff I have

developed.

 

Another approach would be to work out the 8 extra

channel pair involved.

This is done by symptomology, or by pulse profiles, or

both.

 

The former is easier, I've created a checklist sort of

grid somewhere, and

more

can be read from Extraordinary Vessels by Matsumoto

and Birch.

 

The pulse profile can be found in a little book, Pulse

Diagnosis by

Li Shi Zhen, a darling of a man, Paradigm

Publications, pps. 54 to 57.

You can pick up the profiles, as well as the

symptomology for each extra

channel.

 

Men don't often fall into the darling category, unless

they create by the

heart,

and structure it by the mind, with the right degree of

arrogance, mellowed

with

temperance and the capacity to smile more than frown.

 

To sum up: work with 1 and 3, and later 2.

 

By and large, if done neatly, your symptoms might

disappear altogether, even

when not addressed directly.

 

'To address the noisy is folly. To speak to the Silent

is wisdom " .

[Guess who coined that one!]

 

Which is to say, systems with symptoms are the effect;

whereas systems

sinisterly silent are the cause. Treat the latter.

Treating the former may

bring relief

but transform the illness. Treating the latter will

address the cause and

the

presenting symptoms, all at the same time.

 

As they say in a time honored, centuries old proverb

in Northern India:

" Teez tarke ga'am zann, manzile ma.n door nee'st " .

 

Stride with purpose most singular, the journey's end

is not far.

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video for acupuncture

recertification. NCCAOM

reviewed. Also CA NM AZ MA and most states. $ 299 all

50 states in US. S & H

and tax included.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thankyou Dr Keikobad

It makes sense and will help to organise some sort of treament plan

for myself before my consultation next year (can't believe the

waiting list for a simple key-hole surgery could be a year long!).

Jag

 

Chinese Medicine , " dr. k "

<aryaone@e...> wrote:

> Emotions are by and large a cause to illness, but it is expedient

to

> resolve the physical illness first, and then work on emotions. In

any case,

> what

> builds up by emotionality will not be resolved overnight.

>

> Sometimes, rather than look at an illness per se, one may look to

deeper

> imbalances. Traditionally, this has revolved around:

>

> 1. Balancing the 8 extraordinary channels.

> 2. Correcting body asymmetry.

> 3. Correcting internal stagnation.

>

> In my understanding, # 3 should be attempted first, and it is best

done by

> the

> methodologies of Matsumoto et al.

>

> Because of the locus, pelvo-ureteric junction, in the R or L iliac

fossa,

> or/and

> in the lower Warmer, one should look for and correct stagnation

here.

>

> Commonest is LV stagnation to L of navel, and LU stagnation, to

the R of

> navel.

>

> This is found by palpating an area bounded by ST 25 to ST 27

horizontally,

> and K 16, vertically. This makes for a sort of a triangle with its

base

> alongside the

> Ren as a median, and the apex at ST 27. Tenderness and indurations

show a

> positive reflex.

>

> This is released by working on the L LV 4 and LU 5, but by Japanese

> orientation. Later one does the same to the R LV 4 and LU 5. There

> are a slew of follow-up points which will knock the stagnation

silly.

>

> Of course you need a trained professional steeped in Matsumoto

school to

> do this for you. The process is not difficult, and renders

marvelous

> results.

>

> In effect, if stagnation is the cause, the stricture can be

released even

> without being directly worked on. On the other hand, if stricture

is

> released

> in some manner and the stagnation remains, it will return as

stricture, or

> some nasty little profile somewhere else.

>

> If you find some one ready to work with you and need more input, I

will

> be glad to quote details from Matsumoto's work, and some neat

stuff I have

> developed.

>

> Another approach would be to work out the 8 extra channel pair

involved.

> This is done by symptomology, or by pulse profiles, or both.

>

> The former is easier, I've created a checklist sort of grid

somewhere, and

> more

> can be read from Extraordinary Vessels by Matsumoto and Birch.

>

> The pulse profile can be found in a little book, Pulse Diagnosis by

> Li Shi Zhen, a darling of a man, Paradigm Publications, pps. 54 to

57.

> You can pick up the profiles, as well as the symptomology for each

extra

> channel.

>

> Men don't often fall into the darling category, unless they create

by the

> heart,

> and structure it by the mind, with the right degree of arrogance,

mellowed

> with

> temperance and the capacity to smile more than frown.

>

> To sum up: work with 1 and 3, and later 2.

>

> By and large, if done neatly, your symptoms might disappear

altogether, even

> when not addressed directly.

>

> 'To address the noisy is folly. To speak to the Silent is wisdom " .

> [Guess who coined that one!]

>

> Which is to say, systems with symptoms are the effect; whereas

systems

> sinisterly silent are the cause. Treat the latter. Treating the

former may

> bring relief

> but transform the illness. Treating the latter will address the

cause and

> the

> presenting symptoms, all at the same time.

>

> As they say in a time honored, centuries old proverb in Northern

India:

> " Teez tarke ga'am zann, manzile ma.n door nee'st " .

>

> Stride with purpose most singular, the journey's end is not far.

>

> Dr. Holmes Keikobad

> MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

> www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video for acupuncture

recertification. NCCAOM

> reviewed. Also CA NM AZ MA and most states. $ 299 all 50 states in

US. S & H

> and tax included.

[Guest guest]

Jag:

Thankyou Dr Keikobad

It makes sense and will help to organise some sort of treament plan

for myself before my consultation next year (can't believe the

waiting list for a simple key-hole surgery could be a year long!).

>

>

Could you have a simple test done?

Have someone look at your bare shoulders from about 8 feet from behind

and see if one is raised.

 

If it is, have him or her see i the hip is tilted to accommodate that.

 

If that is not possible, check your bare shoulder heights from front; and

then

the height at the hip. This is somewhat less accurate, but will sufficiently

inform.

 

If a disparity is found, something can be done right away.

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM & CA reviewed. $ 299 all inclusive in US.

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " Dr. Holmes

Keikobad " <acuheal@e...> wrote:

> Jag:

> Thankyou Dr Keikobad

> It makes sense and will help to organise some sort of treament plan

> for myself before my consultation next year (can't believe the

> waiting list for a simple key-hole surgery could be a year long!).

> >

> >

> Could you have a simple test done?

> Have someone look at your bare shoulders from about 8 feet from

behind

> and see if one is raised.

>

> If it is, have him or her see i the hip is tilted to accommodate

that.

>

> If that is not possible, check your bare shoulder heights from

front; and

> then

> the height at the hip. This is somewhat less accurate, but will

sufficiently

> inform.

>

> If a disparity is found, something can be done right away.

>

> Dr. Holmes Keikobad

> MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

> www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

> NCCAOM & CA reviewed. $ 299 all inclusive in US.

 

Thanks for the advice, I shall get someone to have a look for me and

see what they think. But I'm intrigued, what will the outcome

signify?

- Jag

TCM student

Middlesex University

London

[Guest guest]

Jag:

Thanks for the advice, I shall get someone to have a look for me and

see what they think. But I'm intrigued, what will the outcome

signify?

>

>

If shoulder are skewed Hurray! we can level these out double quick even by

proxy.

 

If this is done very many imbalances can disappear; some are migraine,

toothache,

neck and shoulder pain, shoulder arm wrist hand pain; pain chest ribs hip

knee

foot; costal engorgement which is messed up LV which is what causes people

to fly into buildings :-); you name it.

 

If a ureter is kinked, it stand to reason that that part of the

abdominal-pelvic

cavity is under stress because it has to sit in limited space, the rib cage

above

and diaphragm, pressing down - and the inside of the pelvic fossa with

overlying

muscles, below, pressing up. Ureter is one of the more delicate structures

and

can be the first to " give " .

 

Not to introduce an unpleasant thought; the kink may be the harbinger of

more

structures under pressure. So simple surgery will be like " getting the goat

to

go out, and having a camel step in. "

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

[Guest guest]

> If a ureter is kinked, it stand to reason that that part of the

> abdominal-pelvic

> cavity is under stress because it has to sit in limited space, the

rib cage

> above

> and diaphragm, pressing down - and the inside of the pelvic fossa

with

> overlying

> muscles, below, pressing up. Ureter is one of the more delicate

structures

> and

> can be the first to " give " .

 

Is it possible that limitations in 'growing space' can lead to

structures under-developing?

 

I ask this because I've only had one test taken to display a

supposed stricture and decline in renal function (Radio isotope

dynamic renal scan). Although I did initially have a Ultrasound

which only showed a superficial enlargement of the kidney itself.

 

Could a simple kink in a lumen cause the same amount of damage (or

possibly, more or less) to an organ (such as the kidney) as a entire

narrowed diameter of the lumen?

 

> Not to introduce an unpleasant thought; the kink may be the

harbinger of

> more

> structures under pressure. So simple surgery will be like " getting

the goat

> to

> go out, and having a camel step in. "

 

When you say 'more structures under pressure', one tends to think

that the whole of the abdominal cavity is under stress. Wouldn't

this cause difficulties (however large or small) such as that of

breathing? And, under these conditions (structures under pressure)

would surgery truely have such a dramatic cascade effect?

 

-Jag

Student of TCM

Middlesex University

London