Notes from Zhong Ri hospital, AP, part 4, Wind Stroke

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

After observing a number of acupuncturists treat Wind stroke, I have

the following set of points that are commonly used.

 

Always used:

 

1. Hegu (LI4) on the affected side only,

2. Sibai (ST2) on the affected side only,

3. Yinbai (SP1) on the affected side only,

4. Dicang (ST4) on the affected side only,

5. Quanlian (SI18) on the affected side only,

6. Taiyang (M-HN-9) on the affected side only,

7. Zanzhu (UB2) on the affected side only,

8. Xiaguan (REN10) on the affected side only,

 

Sometimes depending on the syn diff:

 

1. Yingxiang (LI20) on the affected side only,

2. Renzhong (DU26) on the affected side only,

3. Taichong (LV3) and Sanyinjiao (SP9).

4. Kouheliao on the affected side only,

5. Jiachangjiong (M-HN-18) on the affected side only,

 

The last two points are experience extra points. Only Jiachangjiong

(M-HN-18) is in Deadman et al. A Manual of Acupuncture. Kouheliao is

located directly above Jiaochangjiong (M-HN-18), above the lips,

about 1 cun from the philtrum.

 

 

Sterilisation of needles is better at Xiyuan hospital. They use test

tubes to hold the needles rather than a pin cushion. I'm surprised

that there are such variations amongst hospitals. There really

should be a standard format used throughout the country.

 

Attilio

[Guest guest]

Hi Attilio,

 

> Hi all, ...the following set of points ... are commonly used [to

> treat Wind stroke]:

 

Attilio, many thanks. Very useful.

 

> Always used: LI04 (ipsilateral); ST02 (ipsilateral); SP01

> (ipsilateral); ST04 (ipsilateral); SI18 (ipsilateral); Taiyang

> (ipsilateral); BL02 (ipsilateral); CV10 (ipsilateral).

 

Any details on how the doctors defined typical Wnd Stroke?

 

> Sometimes depending on Syndrome Differentiation they added points

> from: LI20 (ipsilateral); GV26 (ipsilateral); LV03 and SP06;

> Kouheliao (ipsilateral); Jiachangjiong (ipsilateral). The last two

> points are extra points. Only Jiachangjiong is in Deadman et al. A

> Manual of Acupuncture. Kouheliao is located directly above

> Jiaochangjiong, above the lips, about 1 cun from the philtrum.

 

How did they define the other Syndromes (sub-classifications)?

Which points were used for each sub-classification?

 

Were the clinical results good?

 

Best regards,

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

 

Wind Stroke in this case is defined as facial paralysis and hemiplegia. I

find actually that it's a common complaint in China.

 

Otherwise, I dare not say it as I feel like I'm beating a dead horse but I

didn't see much T and P being undertaken, so it seems to be the norm.

Acupuncture treatment is mainly aimed at hemiplegia and pain patients. The

points I listed are generally used on all Wind stroke patients with a few

variations depending on the practitioner experience and tastes. I can't

really give you more info on the sub classification and points.

 

What is interesting is the abdominal acupuncture being used at Zhong Ri.

This is a relatively new form of theory, only been going or surfaced for

about 2 years. The whole body is laid out on the abdomen, like if you were

to draw a turtle on the stomach. Zhongwan (REN12) is the start point and is

the head. Other points of the body are within 2mm of accuracy. It is very

affective especially used with local points on the affected hemiplegia area.

I'll be getting to this subject more later when I learn more of it.

 

Kind regards

 

Attilio

 

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08 May 2004 21:34

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Re: Notes from Zhong Ri hospital, AP, part 4, Wind Stroke

 

 

Hi Attilio,

 

> Hi all, ...the following set of points ... are commonly used [to

> treat Wind stroke]:

 

Attilio, many thanks. Very useful.

 

> Always used: LI04 (ipsilateral); ST02 (ipsilateral); SP01

> (ipsilateral); ST04 (ipsilateral); SI18 (ipsilateral); Taiyang

> (ipsilateral); BL02 (ipsilateral); CV10 (ipsilateral).

 

Any details on how the doctors defined typical Wnd Stroke?

 

> Sometimes depending on Syndrome Differentiation they added points

> from: LI20 (ipsilateral); GV26 (ipsilateral); LV03 and SP06;

> Kouheliao (ipsilateral); Jiachangjiong (ipsilateral). The last two

> points are extra points. Only Jiachangjiong is in Deadman et al. A

> Manual of Acupuncture. Kouheliao is located directly above

> Jiaochangjiong, above the lips, about 1 cun from the philtrum.

 

How did they define the other Syndromes (sub-classifications)?

Which points were used for each sub-classification?

 

Were the clinical results good?

 

Best regards,

 

Email: <

 

WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland

Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

 

HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Attilio!

 

" T and P " ? I don't recall you or anyone else using this jargon phrase

before. What do you mean by this?

 

At 10:30 PM 5/8/2004, you wrote:<snip>

I

>didn't see much T and P being undertaken,<snip>

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

T is tongue, P is pulse. Making up some new abbreviations as I go along.

 

Kind regards

 

Attilio

 

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Pete Theisen [petet]

09 May 2004 05:48

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RE: Re: Notes from Zhong Ri hospital, AP, part 4, Wind Stroke

 

 

Hi Attilio!

 

" T and P " ? I don't recall you or anyone else using this jargon phrase

before. What do you mean by this?

 

At 10:30 PM 5/8/2004, you wrote:<snip>

I

>didn't see much T and P being undertaken,<snip>

 

Regards,

 

Pete

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Can you create an image and post it?

Matsumoto has an image of the face on the abdomen, with the naries besides

the navel, ears ta the K shu, head at the pelvis and chin and mouth at HT

ren.

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

[Guest guest]

Hi Dr Holmes,

 

I don't have an image at the moment, but may have one soon. When I

do, I'll post it up onto the group. The theory of the point location

is based upon the Ba Gua principle, with the Ba Gua sitting on the

abdomen.

 

Attilio

 

" Dr. Holmes Keikobad " <acuheal@e...> wrote:

> Can you create an image and post it?

> Matsumoto has an image of the face on the abdomen, with the naries

besides

> the navel, ears ta the K shu, head at the pelvis and chin and

mouth at HT

> ren.

>

> Dr. Holmes Keikobad

> MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

> www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

> NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.