Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 It is interesting that in today's modern world, men and women continue >to contort their bodies in wierd ways So how many on the list have bunions from wearing too tight pointed shoes for " fashion " S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 <snip> > So how many on the list have bunions from wearing too tight pointed > shoes for " fashion " How curious. Tias Little suggested in a yoga workshop for feet that bunions are the result of the feet trying to physically balance themselves out after loosing the arches. Does someone want to comment on bunions and their relationship to Spleen issues? What of some other contortions, what of tight shoes and adventures on the Bladder meridian? tight glasses at the Triple Heater meridian? tight bras all the way around? and whatever possesses some men to wear their belt tucked tightly under their hara with the buckle putting constant pressure at CV 6? Are we drawn to these by our imbalances or have we facilitated our state of imbalance by these cultural dress code suggestions? Has anyone ever suggested to a client that they should wear bigger shoes, looser belts, whatever as a part of their theraputic homework? As the therapy progresses, has anyone seen their clients adjusting their wardrobe to reflect a comfort more within balance / less contortions? Penel who has long wondered what the impact is of false teeth covering the roof of the mouth keeping the tongue from connecting Govenor Vessel and Conception Vessel. what would be the obvious from it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Interesting points. Why do we (the Mind) create Constrictions (obstructions) in our bodies? It seems like it can go under the general headings of desire to not " reveal " or to " hold on " - to Restrict. Given the effect that restricted teeth growth can have on the entire meridian system, it is interesting that the latest fad in children is constricted the natural growth of teeth using braces. I wonder why? Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 While I agree with you that braces can restrict the teeth, jaw, and effect the entire skeletal system, and have a broad effect on the channels, the dental acupuncture charts are a modern invention that have little or no relationship to the traditional channel system of Chinese medicine. Use with caution. On Jun 2, 2004, at 6:17 AM, Rich wrote: > Interesting points. Why do we (the Mind) create Constrictions > (obstructions) in our bodies? It seems like it can go under the > general headings of desire to not " reveal " or to " hold on " - to > Restrict. Given the effect that restricted teeth growth can have on > the entire meridian system, it is interesting that the latest fad in > children is constricted the natural growth of teeth using braces. I > wonder why? > > Rich Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, > religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and > adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being > delivered. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Thanks for the advice. Any recommendations on references for more classical views of teeth and their relationship to channels other than that they are related to Water/Kidneys? Thanks. Rich Chinese Medicine , " " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > While I agree with you that braces can restrict the teeth, jaw, and > effect the entire skeletal system, and have a broad effect on the > channels, the dental acupuncture charts are a modern invention that > have little or no relationship to the traditional channel system of > Chinese medicine. Use with caution. > > > On Jun 2, 2004, at 6:17 AM, Rich wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Teeth sometimes fall out due to gum disease, not just problems with the teeth PER SE. Gums are SP/ST, and falling teeth due to weak, bleeding gums is a form of osteopourosis of the jaw. --- Rich <rfinkelstein wrote: > Thanks for the advice. Any recommendations on > references for more > classical views of teeth and their relationship to > channels other than > that they are related to Water/Kidneys? Thanks. > > Rich > > Chinese Medicine , > " " > <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > > While I agree with you that braces can restrict > the teeth, jaw, and > > effect the entire skeletal system, and have a > broad effect on the > > channels, the dental acupuncture charts are a > modern invention that > > have little or no relationship to the traditional > channel system of > > Chinese medicine. Use with caution. > > > > > > On Jun 2, 2004, at 6:17 AM, Rich wrote: > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Thanks for the additional info John. It is easy for me to see now how everything - meridians, tendino-muscular systems, etc. are all connected and reveal themselves in the teeth, finger nails, etc. Botton line is that everything is ultimately connected as one large system. :-) Chinese Medicine , John Garbarini <johnlg_2000> wrote: > Teeth sometimes fall out due to gum disease, not just > problems with the teeth PER SE. Gums are SP/ST, and > falling teeth due to weak, bleeding gums is a form of > osteopourosis of the jaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Li Dongyuan, the Jin-Yuan dynasty physician writes that repletion heat in the stomach, caused by habitual overeating of spicy and greasy foods, can damage the yin of the kidneys via the ke/controlling cycle of earth over water, leading to loosening of teeth or dental caries. Also, since the stomach is associated with the gums, stomach heat can cause gum disease which can adversely affect the teeth, associated with the kidneys, as well. On Jun 2, 2004, at 8:51 AM, Rich wrote: > Thanks for the advice. Any recommendations on references for more > classical views of teeth and their relationship to channels other than > that they are related to Water/Kidneys? Thanks. > > Rich > > Chinese Medicine , " " > <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: >> While I agree with you that braces can restrict the teeth, jaw, and >> effect the entire skeletal system, and have a broad effect on the >> channels, the dental acupuncture charts are a modern invention that >> have little or no relationship to the traditional channel system of >> Chinese medicine. Use with caution. >> >> >> On Jun 2, 2004, at 6:17 AM, Rich wrote: >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Hi Hyldemoer! Men who suffer from central obesity usually have great difficulty keeping their pants from falling off - their waist is larger than their butt. Thus, the tight belt. At 01:48 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote:<snip> >and whatever possesses some men to wear their belt tucked tightly >under their hara with the buckle putting constant pressure at CV 6? Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Hi Rich! I don't think braces are a " latest fad " . I am nearly sixty and all my childhood friends had them. My teeth were not as bad as some so my bite was corrected with tongue depressor exercises. Some of those kids couldn't even close their mouths until their teeth were straightened, some could close their mouths but couldn't chew properly and others were constantly biting their cheeks or lips. Natural growth of teeth sometimes is not beneficial, in such cases the braces can perform a valid function. At 09:17 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote: >Interesting points. Why do we (the Mind) create Constrictions >(obstructions) in our bodies? It seems like it can go under the >general headings of desire to not " reveal " or to " hold on " - to >Restrict. Given the effect that restricted teeth growth can have on >the entire meridian system, it is interesting that the latest fad in >children is constricted the natural growth of teeth using braces. I >wonder why? > >Rich Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the additional information and reference. Regards, Rich Chinese Medicine , " " <zrosenbe@s...> wrote: > Li Dongyuan, the Jin-Yuan dynasty physician writes that repletion heat > in the stomach, caused by habitual overeating of spicy and greasy > foods, can damage the yin of the kidneys via the ke/controlling cycle > of earth over water, leading to loosening of teeth or dental caries. > Also, since the stomach is associated with the gums, stomach heat can > cause gum disease which can adversely affect the teeth, associated with > the kidneys, as well. > > > On Jun 2, 2004, at 8:51 AM, Rich wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Hi Pete, I will give you my observations (I am 53) but it is based upon my eperiences and I know that others may see it much differently. When I was young, in the 1950's there were some children getting braces - I would guess 1 or 2 in 40 - but it was relatively rare when compared to today. I would be interested in the actual statistics if they exist. Things seemed to have really changed when flouride was interested (a different issue altogether) and cavities became more rare in the population. Dentists then seem to begin to push braces which became even more popular when the dental community successfully began to have these procedures insured. Now, based upon my discussions with my friends, having braces is actually something children look forward to having (similar to their first bicycle) and dentists seem more and happy to oblige. Given the number of braces that are now being installed and " teeth binding children, it appears that in the last few decades or so, Mother Nature has gone totally beserk and all of a sudden has filled children's teeth with incorrectly formed teeth in almost all cases, which is something I find very difficult to believe. I think that in most cases (let's say 99%), teeth must be fine (that is, it suits the body structure as a whole), but people just like tinkering with their body because they are not happy with something - sort of like binding feet. Many of the problems that WM (i.e. dentists) attribute to the mouth are most probably caused by problems somewhere else in the Mind or Body. But that is life and there is probably a reason for it all. :-) I just think that " feet binding " is just one small manifestation of this human tendency. Hope this makes some sense to you. Regards, Rich Chinese Medicine , Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote:> Hi Rich! > > I don't think braces are a " latest fad " . I am nearly sixty and all my > childhood friends had them. My teeth were not as bad as some so my bite was > corrected with tongue depressor exercises. Some of those kids couldn't even > close their mouths until their teeth were straightened, some could close > their mouths but couldn't chew properly and others were constantly biting > their cheeks or lips. Natural growth of teeth sometimes is not beneficial, > in such cases the braces can perform a valid function. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Hi Rich! Oh, it makes sense, I just wanted you to avoid making *dogma* in your heart/mind. <s> I thought the one post about modern western diet and crooked teeth was most interesting, eh? At 06:04 PM 6/2/2004, you wrote:<snip> >Hope this makes some sense to you. > >Regards, >Rich Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Ode Binding feet and grinding teeth Lipo sucked and tummy tucked Sand in breast and romantic quest Kissin' the nipple of prosthetic cripple. Gone the days of the run by the sea The holding of hands and meanderings free Gone the quiet afternoons in the bower The standing under trees watching lightly shower We are the Tribes of the New Age Old writings on a synthetic page Birds in a doorless cage ... We are children of Plastic Power. Arya of the Hills Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Hi Rich, You said: " I just think that " feet binding " is just one small manifestation of this human tendency. " I agree, but at the same time....have you seen pictures of their feet? I was completely blown away when I saw a picture recently. I had known about this cultural phenomenon for years, but I never imagined it was as extreme as it was. Their toes were literally curled underneath their feet (shudder). Everytime I remember that photo MY toes curl. But I do agree that although this may be a more painful and disabling example, this kind of thing is rampant in many cultures throughout time. I am reminded of my two acupuncture patients with big ole' breast implants who can't understand why the pain around their shoulders and upper back keeps coming back... Chinese Medicine , " Rich " <rfinkelstein@a...> wrote: > Hi Pete, > > I will give you my observations (I am 53) but it is based upon my > eperiences and I know that others may see it much differently. > > When I was young, in the 1950's there were some children getting > braces - I would guess 1 or 2 in 40 - but it was relatively rare when > compared to today. I would be interested in the actual statistics if > they exist. > > Things seemed to have really changed when flouride was interested (a > different issue altogether) and cavities became more rare in the > population. Dentists then seem to begin to push braces which became > even more popular when the dental community successfully began to have > these procedures insured. Now, based upon my discussions with my > friends, having braces is actually something children look forward to > having (similar to their first bicycle) and dentists seem more and > happy to oblige. > > Given the number of braces that are now being installed and " teeth > binding children, it appears that in the last few decades or so, > Mother Nature has gone totally beserk and all of a sudden has filled > children's teeth with incorrectly formed teeth in almost all cases, > which is something I find very difficult to believe. I think that in > most cases (let's say 99%), teeth must be fine (that is, it suits the > body structure as a whole), but people just like tinkering with their > body because they are not happy with something - sort of like binding > feet. Many of the problems that WM (i.e. dentists) attribute to the > mouth are most probably caused by problems somewhere else in the Mind > or Body. But that is life and there is probably a reason for it all. > :-) I just think that " feet binding " is just one small manifestation > of this human tendency. > > Hope this makes some sense to you. > > Regards, > Rich > > Chinese Medicine , Pete Theisen > <petet@a...> wrote:> Hi Rich! > > > > I don't think braces are a " latest fad " . I am nearly sixty and all my > > childhood friends had them. My teeth were not as bad as some so my > bite was > > corrected with tongue depressor exercises. Some of those kids > couldn't even > > close their mouths until their teeth were straightened, some could > close > > their mouths but couldn't chew properly and others were constantly > biting > > their cheeks or lips. Natural growth of teeth sometimes is not > beneficial, > > in such cases the braces can perform a valid function. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Wow. That's a powerful poem Holmes. You are really somethin'. Chinese Medicine , " Dr. Holmes Keikobad " <acuheal@e...> wrote: > Ode > > Binding feet and grinding teeth > Lipo sucked and tummy tucked > Sand in breast and romantic quest > Kissin' the nipple of prosthetic cripple. > > Gone the days of the run by the sea > The holding of hands and meanderings free > Gone the quiet afternoons in the bower > The standing under trees watching lightly shower > > We are the Tribes of the New Age > Old writings on a synthetic page > Birds in a doorless cage ... > > We are children of Plastic Power. > > Arya of the Hills > > Dr. Holmes Keikobad > MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ > www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. > NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 I am. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. - " heylaurag " <heylaurag <Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, June 02, 2004 4:23 PM Re: Binding Feet > Wow. That's a powerful poem Holmes. You are really somethin'. > > > Chinese Medicine , " Dr. Holmes > Keikobad " <acuheal@e...> wrote: > > Ode > > > > Binding feet and grinding teeth > > Lipo sucked and tummy tucked > > Sand in breast and romantic quest > > Kissin' the nipple of prosthetic cripple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Hi, Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag@h...> wrote: > Hi Rich, You said: > > " I just think that " feet binding " is just one small manifestation > of this human tendency. " > > I agree, but at the same time....have you seen pictures of their > feet? I agree. It's strange how people continue to find more modern (at less immediately painful) ways of manipulating the body. But that is what people choose to do - before, now and probably in the future. Regards, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Hi Pete, Chinese Medicine , Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote: > Hi Rich! > I thought the one post about modern western diet and crooked teeth was most > interesting, eh? > Yes, I enjoyed that message also. Added some new ideas into my mind repository. I have to keep that Mind soup brewing otherwise it turns to dogma. :-) Cya, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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