Guest guest Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 Qi Drain Has anyone experienced what seems to be a qi drain right after one has treated a patient? Can qi drain away? Is one so " open " at times, or by nature, that qi can drain away, be lost, leaving one fatigued to an extreme degree? Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 Hi Dr. Holmes! I once did have the strange sweaty weird feeling after completing a treatment, but I think it was too much glyburide (diabetes med). I popped a candy bar and it straightened out, it happened a few days in a row, treating anyone or not - then I reduced the glyburide dosage and it doesn't happen any more. I have a blood meter but I need to get it re-programmed. Another thing I can't seem to get around to doing. At 11:09 AM 6/5/2004, you wrote: >Qi Drain > >Has anyone experienced what seems to be a qi drain right after one has >treated >a patient? Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 << Has anyone experienced what seems to be a qi drain right after one has >treated >a patient? >> People talk about this phenomenon all the time in the 'bodywork' world. A good small book to read is Fritz Smith's " Inner Bridges " . He writes about the ways one can connect with the patient's energies and recommends creating an interface between your own and patient's energetic boundaries, so as not to merge and share/drain too much. -roseanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 Have you considered treating DM with a reflex release? Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 Hi Dr. Keikobad, Here are the three techniques that I have been trained in to prevent qi drain during Tuina/Qigong bodywork: 1) Draw out " cold qi " from client using qigong Intent. It is like pulling silk from the client. This removes cold qi from the client that might flow back into me. 2) Practice qigong full body breathing while treating the client. 3) Breath inhalations and exhalations are synchronized with the client. While the client breathes in, I breathe in. As I breathe in I crreat a " qi barrier " (white or gold light) that prevents the client's qi from flowing back into me. This is particularly true when I a applying qigong energy. My guess it is the same when needles are applied with Intent. Hope this helps answer your question. Regards, Rich Chinese Medicine , " Dr. Holmes Keikobad " <acuheal@e...> wrote: > Qi Drain > > Has anyone experienced what seems to be a qi drain right after one has > treated > a patient? > > Can qi drain away? Is one so " open " at times, or by nature, that qi can > drain away, be lost, leaving one fatigued to an extreme degree? > > Dr. Holmes Keikobad > MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ > www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. > NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 But what if the qi-drawing works at a level subliminal to mental, almost instinctual. Meanwhile I appreciate your input. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. - " Rich " <rfinkelstein <Chinese Medicine > Sunday, June 06, 2004 11:13 AM Re: Qi drain > Hi Dr. Keikobad, > > Here are the three techniques that I have been trained in to prevent > qi drain during Tuina/Qigong bodywork: > > 1) Draw out " cold qi " from client using qigong Intent. It is like > pulling silk from the client. This removes cold qi from the client > that might flow back into me. > > 2) Practice qigong full body breathing while treating the client. > > 3) Breath inhalations and exhalations are synchronized with the > client. While the client breathes in, I breathe in. As I breathe in I > crreat a " qi barrier " (white or gold light) that prevents the client's > qi from flowing back into me. This is particularly true when I a > applying qigong energy. My guess it is the same when needles are > applied with Intent. > > > Hope this helps answer your question. > > Regards, > Rich > > Chinese Medicine , " Dr. Holmes > Keikobad " <acuheal@e...> wrote: > > Qi Drain > > > > Has anyone experienced what seems to be a qi drain right after one has > > treated > > a patient? > > > > Can qi drain away? Is one so " open " at times, or by nature, that qi can > > drain away, be lost, leaving one fatigued to an extreme degree? > > > > Dr. Holmes Keikobad > > MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ > > www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. > > NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. > > > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Dear Dr. Keikobad, > But what if the qi-drawing works at a level subliminal to mental, almost > instinctual. > Dr. Holmes Keikobad This is a good point. One that requires some reflection. I can give you some of my preliminary thoughts: 1) Qigong practice does increase one's Awareness of one's own Mind. It may be possible (probably is) to detect such actions by the mind and use Intent to change it. My doctor does 7 - 10 tuina/qigong clients a day, 6 days a week and is not tired. He explains that while he is treating his clients, he is also treating himself, using qigong Intent. It is one of the reasons that I believe that TCM schools should spend much more time teaching qigong rather than " standardized " point protocols. 2) Despite qigong practice, it is always possible that the Mind will still do what it wants to do and try to hide itv- but of course it cannot. :-) Rather than feeling refreshed, the doctor/bodyworker would feel " crummy " because of the " cold qi " that has reversed into his/her body. If this happens, it is time for reflection since the doctor is now harming herself/himself and this certainly isn't a good situation for the client/patient. " Doctor, heal thyself " . 3) By using Intent to remove " cold qi " prior to needle or qigong therapy, there is less chance that there will be " cold qi " to reverse into the doctor/bodyworker. My doctor learned this technique on his own (he was not taught it) because he was noticing that cold qi was reversing back and he had to figure out how to remove it before doing energetic work. I do not think there is a very good answer to your question - just possibilities. If you have any comments, I would very much like to hear them. Regards, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Rich: > > But what if the qi-drawing works at a level subliminal to mental, almost > > instinctual. > > Dr. Holmes Keikobad > > This is a good point. One that requires some reflection. I can give > you some of my preliminary thoughts: > > I do not think there is a very good answer to your question - just > possibilities. If you have any comments, I would very much like to > hear them. > > There are large domains entirely outside the Will where the soul meanders through anciently pathways, and does not, will not, or cannot communicate with your waking self. When you say, I choose, a dozen selves inside, who are all you, " we won't " . For instance, one may not want to sleep, and they say, you must. Or you dream and don't want to wake, and they will force it on you. Or the better part of your head says, on meeting someone, when results will be dramatic, and you say, this is not good, and I must hence, and the heart will say, nay, and have you fall hopelessly in love. It is this willful particle which works outside logic which I am speaking of, which may open itself to invasion, by choice, or attraction, or repulsion, or fatal failing. And this may happen and one will know it only by the dreadful fatigue, as though one were drained of life And sometimes not. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 I'll share a couple of stories on Qi draining.... The first one was my own experience while alert; the second one was my 1st Qi Gong master's, at subliminal/mental level. My own experience happened when I was learning Tui Na. My master has always treated patients free of charge and we enjoy the opportunity to treat all kinds of problems. One Saturday afternoon, when I arrived, he has already treated more than a dozen people, and asked me to give a patient some Qi. This patient was in her early 50's, skinny, pale looking. I followed the master's order and put my palms on the shoulders of the patient from behind. In less than 10 seconds, I had to withdraw my hands because I sensed a very fast drain of Qi. The mental image at the time was like turning on a huge faucet but I wasn't able to shut it off (using will power to stop the drain of Qi); I had to withdraw and started expelling the cold Qi. I ran out of the room to replenish my Qi for good half an hour before I returned to the room. Quite often, we hear TCM friends that one has to be careful in treating patients. Well, I have to assert that I was cautious before I started tapping the patient's shoulder, as the reading of the face just didn't make me feel relaxed. And I was careful enough to with draw within a few seconds and started the " disaster recovery " exercise; however, the half an hour recovery exercise still left me more tired that day. The second story was my first Qi Gong master's. She had to share with me the experience to explain the significant energy level difference that I could sense as the only student following her at the time. This happened while she was asleep, dreaming. Some very dark cloud flew over on top her body and, all of a sudden, her Qi was almost completely sucked out of here body through K1. She was awken by this and felt extremely exhausted and weak, as if she had been suffering from a major illness for a long time. As a result, she couldn't continue the regular course of guiding me for a few months, during which, her master helped her recover. My friends, I have to also say, " be careful, " but I don't knowhow careful is careful enough..... Mike L. Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Dear Dr. Keikobad, > There are large domains entirely outside the Will where the soul meanders > through > anciently pathways, and does not, will not, or cannot communicate with your waking self. > > It is this willful particle which works outside logic which I am speaking of > which may open itself to invasion, by choice, or attraction, or repulsion or fatal failing. > > And this may happen and one will know it only by the dreadful fatigue, > as though one were drained of life > > And sometimes not. > > Dr. Holmes Keikobad Yes, I understand what you are saying and it is certainly something for one - such as myself - to contemplate, and accept. It is life. :-) Regards, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Dear Mike, > My friends, I have to also say, " be careful, " but I don't knowhow careful is careful enough..... > > Mike L. > As Dr. Kiekobad suggested, there may be things that are beyond our understanding, and if this is so then I will just accept it and move on. What I cannot understand, I cannot and so there is no use worrying about it. :-) Thanks for relating the stories to me. It was very interesting to read them. Regards, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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