Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 hello one and all, I recently posted a ml wherein I stated the the new leading cause of death in the USA was doctoring. I quoted no source and I was accused of making it up and/or exaggerating. I read it in some relatively mainstream media but could not remember exactly where. I have looked fairly thoroughly thru all my bumf and could not find it, but I have turned up in the latest edition of The Ecologist magazine the followin story: Medicine is the US's biggest killer More americans die at the hands of their doctors than in any other way, according to a study by the Nutrition Institute of America. Analysis of 994 US hospitals showed that there were 783,936 deaths caused by medical drugs, surgery or wrong medical procedures in 2001. Over the same period, there were 699,697 deaths caused by heart disease and 553,251 deaths from cancer. This is not the story I read but it is too similar to what I read so I imagine my reading referenced the same source. Also I found in the latest Nexus magazine a reference to www.attadalechiropractic.com.au, a site I can't access (tho it is there) for some reason. This site apparantly states " ...It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US... " from a US study. Perhaps someone can access this site and verify the info. Some one of the several who challenged my ml pointed out that doctors see more seriously sick/ill ppl then we in alt. med. do. I would reply that some/many/praps even all of those very sick ppl are very sick because they've seen doctors - MRSA comes to mind, ppl on statins come to mind (latest info is that whilst the statins appear to ensure that you don't die from heart disease you will most definately die sooner from a liver disorder - from a recent WDDTY magazine) women who went on the the pill before age 21 have a majorly increased chance of developing breast cancer,comes to mind too, und so weiter.. regardez stephen -- Stephen MacAllan Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H., Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H. M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H. Acupuncturist, Herbalist, Kosmed practitioner Vega-tester www.stephenmacallan.co.uk www.stephenandphilipnaturally.co.uk powered by amiga 060/mediator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Chinese Medicine , " stephen macallan " <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote: > hello one and all, > I recently posted a ml wherein I stated the the new > leading cause of death in the USA was doctoring. I quoted no source > and I was accused of making it up and/or exaggerating. I read it in > some relatively mainstream media but could not remember exactly where. > I have looked fairly thoroughly thru all my bumf and could not find > it, but I have turned up in the latest edition of The Ecologist > magazine the followin story: > > Medicine is the US's biggest killer This may or may not be true, so let's look at a few things: 1) it is obvious that this stat is floating around and people are jumping on the bandwagon and writing articles. 2) Unless the ecologist did the research it is just regurgitating a possible wrong statistic!\ We need to see the original source to evaluate it, because too many people have just passed around the stat at this point 3) When we did Medline searches etc (previous )for the stat we found it to be wrong. 4) All the articles to date that have stated this stat have not supplied a valid source So once again, call it skeptic or whatever, I don't believe it until I see it. Please someone who has the article could you pull the source and let's check it out.. Hell I am the first one to embrace this stat if it is true, but let us once again be careful… - > More americans die at the hands of their doctors than in any other > way, according to a study by the Nutrition Institute of America. > Analysis of 994 US hospitals showed that there were 783,936 deaths > caused by medical drugs, surgery or wrong medical procedures in 2001. > Over the same period, there were 699,697 deaths caused by heart > disease and 553,251 deaths from cancer. > > This is not the story I read but it is too similar to what I read so I > imagine my reading referenced the same source. > > Also I found in the latest Nexus magazine a reference to > www.attadalechiropractic.com.au, a site I can't access (tho it is > there) for some reason. This site apparantly states " ...It is now > evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death > and injury in the US... " from a US study. Perhaps someone can access > this site and verify the info. > > Some one of the several who challenged my ml pointed out that doctors > see more seriously sick/ill ppl then we in alt. med. do. I would reply > that some/many/praps even all of those very sick ppl are very sick > because they've seen doctors - MRSA comes to mind, ppl on statins > come to mind (latest info is that whilst the statins appear to ensure > that you don't die from heart disease you will most definately die > sooner from a liver disorder - from a recent WDDTY magazine) women who > went on the the pill before age 21 have a majorly increased chance of > developing breast cancer,comes to mind too, und so weiter.. > > regardez > > > stephen > > -- > Stephen MacAllan > Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H., > Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H. > M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H. > Acupuncturist, Herbalist, > Kosmed practitioner > Vega-tester > www.stephenmacallan.co.uk > www.stephenandphilipnaturally.co.uk > powered by amiga 060/mediator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Stephen After all the talk on this forum about MSUing and not quoting things accurately, I am a bit taken aback that you have misquoted WDDTY regarding statins. WDDTY did not say that " statins appear to ensure you don't die from heart disease " , but they did theorise that statins were a cause of chronic heart failure possibly due to reduction in Coenzyme Q10. They did say that statin use " could be associated with an increase in mortality of 1% in 10 years " . I can't see where they said that " you will most definitely die sooner from a liver disorder " . I do agree with you that prescribed drugs are a major cause of illness and see cases in my practice all the time, but we have to take the time to quote reliably in order to maintain credibility and because its good practice! Regards Susie > " stephen macallan " <stephenmacallan >Re: leading cause of death >Some one of the several who challenged my ml pointed out that doctors >see more seriously sick/ill ppl then we in alt. med. do. I would reply >that some/many/praps even all of those very sick ppl are very sick >because they've seen doctors - MRSA comes to mind, ppl on statins >come to mind (latest info is that whilst the statins appear to ensure >that you don't die from heart disease you will most definately die >sooner from a liver disorder - from a recent WDDTY magazine) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Hi Stephen, Just jumping on a band wagon for a minute. There is a TV commercial out now for an RA medication. During the reciting of the 'side-effects' near the end of the commercial they actually stated the terminology: 'fatal events may occur'. Are they hoping that most laymans would not equate this to death? I really do not mean to kick a dead horse, but I think this is bad! D ..hen Magellan <stephenmacallan wrote: hello one and all, I recently posted a ml wherein I stated the the new leading cause of death in the USA was doctoring. I quoted no source and I was accused of making it up and/or exaggerating. I read it in some relatively mainstream media but could not remember exactly where. I have looked fairly thoroughly thru all my bumf and could not find it, but I have turned up in the latest edition of The Ecologist magazine the followin story: Medicine is the US's biggest killer More americans die at the hands of their doctors than in any other way, according to a study by the Nutrition Institute of America. Analysis of 994 US hospitals showed that there were 783,936 deaths caused by medical drugs, surgery or wrong medical procedures in 2001. Over the same period, there were 699,697 deaths caused by heart disease and 553,251 deaths from cancer. This is not the story I read but it is too similar to what I read so I imagine my reading referenced the same source. Also I found in the latest Nexus magazine a reference to www.attadalechiropractic.com.au, a site I can't access (tho it is there) for some reason. This site apparantly states " ...It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US... " from a US study. Perhaps someone can access this site and verify the info. Some one of the several who challenged my ml pointed out that doctors see more seriously sick/ill ppl then we in alt. med. do. I would reply that some/many/praps even all of those very sick ppl are very sick because they've seen doctors - MRSA comes to mind, ppl on statins come to mind (latest info is that whilst the statins appear to ensure that you don't die from heart disease you will most definately die sooner from a liver disorder - from a recent WDDTY magazine) women who went on the the pill before age 21 have a majorly increased chance of developing breast cancer,comes to mind too, und so weiter.. regardez stephen -- Stephen MacAllan Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H., Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H. M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H. Acupuncturist, Herbalist, Kosmed practitioner Vega-tester www.stephenmacallan.co.uk www.stephenandphilipnaturally.co.uk powered by amiga 060/mediator Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Right on. I'm sick of the alterative medicine internet virus, which spreads errata in people's minds quicker than you can say " vaccine " or " canola " . Let's see the actual source. The Ecologist may be right, but. maybe not. Benjamin Hawes, MAOM, Lic. Ac., CORTEZ FAMILY ACUPUNCTURE 1430 E. Main Street, Suite #4 Cortez, CO 81321 (970) 565-0230 From Jason's post I have looked fairly thoroughly thru all my bumf and could not find > it, but I have turned up in the latest edition of The Ecologist > magazine the followin story: > > Medicine is the US's biggest killer This may or may not be true, so let's look at a few things: 1) it is obvious that this stat is floating around and people are jumping on the bandwagon and writing articles. 2) Unless the ecologist did the research it is just regurgitating a possible wrong statistic!\ We need to see the original source to evaluate it, because too many people have just passed around the stat at this point 3) When we did Medline searches etc (previous )for the stat we found it to be wrong. 4) All the articles to date that have stated this stat have not supplied a valid source So once again, call it skeptic or whatever, I don't believe it until I see it. Please someone who has the article could you pull the source and let's check it out.. Hell I am the first one to embrace this stat if it is true, but let us once again be careful. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 You should read the literature on psychiatric medicines!!! Some of the disclaimers are ASTOUNDING!!! One reads: " sudden death has followed ingestion of this drug, yet NO CAUSAL CONNECTION HAS BEEN FOUND! " If THAT is not a large mouthful of Orwellian double-speak, I don't know what is!!!! I've always thought that these massive, unwieldy disclaimers would actually HELP alt. med. in general just due to the horrors they ask the user to " beware. " I'm on the bandwagon, also..... JG -- David Akrish <akrish27 wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > > Just jumping on a band wagon for a minute. > > > There is a TV commercial out now for an RA > medication. During the reciting of the > 'side-effects' near the end of the commercial they > actually stated the terminology: 'fatal events may > occur'. Are they hoping that most laymans would not > equate this to death? > I really do not mean to kick a dead horse, but I > think this is bad! > > > D > > .hen Magellan <stephenmacallan > wrote: > hello one and all, > I recently posted a ml wherein I > stated the the new > leading cause of death in the USA was doctoring. I > quoted no source > and I was accused of making it up and/or > exaggerating. I read it in > some relatively mainstream media but could not > remember exactly where. > I have looked fairly thoroughly thru all my bumf and > could not find > it, but I have turned up in the latest edition of > The Ecologist > magazine the followin story: > > Medicine is the US's biggest killer > More americans die at the hands of their doctors > than in any other > way, according to a study by the Nutrition Institute > of America. > Analysis of 994 US hospitals showed that there were > 783,936 deaths > caused by medical drugs, surgery or wrong medical > procedures in 2001. > Over the same period, there were 699,697 deaths > caused by heart > disease and 553,251 deaths from cancer. > > This is not the story I read but it is too similar > to what I read so I > imagine my reading referenced the same source. > > Also I found in the latest Nexus magazine a > reference to > www.attadalechiropractic.com.au, a site I can't > access (tho it is > there) for some reason. This site apparantly states > " ...It is now > evident that the American medical system is the > leading cause of death > and injury in the US... " from a US study. Perhaps > someone can access > this site and verify the info. > > Some one of the several who challenged my ml pointed > out that doctors > see more seriously sick/ill ppl then we in alt. med. > do. I would reply > that some/many/praps even all of those very sick ppl > are very sick > because they've seen doctors - MRSA comes to mind, > ppl on statins > come to mind (latest info is that whilst the statins > appear to ensure > that you don't die from heart disease you will most > definately die > sooner from a liver disorder - from a recent WDDTY > magazine) women who > went on the the pill before age 21 have a majorly > increased chance of > developing breast cancer,comes to mind too, und so > weiter.. > > regardez > > > stephen > > -- > Stephen MacAllan > Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H., > Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H. > M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H. > Acupuncturist, Herbalist, > Kosmed practitioner > Vega-tester > www.stephenmacallan.co.uk > www.stephenandphilipnaturally.co.uk > powered by amiga 060/mediator > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any > commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame > another member or swear. > > To translate this message, copy and paste it into > this web link page, http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the > messages to stop being delivered. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 hi all, I thought this topic nwas banned, however The Ecologist referenced the nutrition institute of america, and they have a www - I've had a quick scan and it is worth a read: www.thenutritioninstituteofamerica.net it is interesting even if not right stephen -- Stephen MacAllan Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H., Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H. M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H. Acupuncturist, Herbalist, Kosmed practitioner Vega-tester www.stephenmacallan.co.uk www.stephenandphilipnaturally.co.uk powered by amiga 060/mediator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 hi Susie, my apologies, youre quit right regardez stephen Stephen > After all the talk on this forum about MSUing and not quoting things > accurately, I am a bit taken aback that you have misquoted WDDTY regarding > statins. WDDTY did not say that " statins appear to ensure you don't die > from heart disease " , but they did theorise that statins were a cause of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Chinese Medicine , " stephen macallan " <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote: > hi all, > I thought this topic nwas banned, however The Ecologist > referenced the nutrition institute of america, and they have a www - > I've had a quick scan and it is worth a read: > > www.thenutritioninstituteofamerica.net > > it is interesting even if not right I am sorry, I have to once again say something... We have come full circle around to the 1st reference cited (which was bogus).. This nutritioninstitureofUSA points to the death by medicine article. This just goes to show how easy it is (and prevalant) passing around (bogus) stats are... but thanx for the Ecologist source, it proves an important point! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 quick followup, from Reuters via : Report Says 195,000 Deaths Due to Hospital Error WASHINGTON (Reuters) - As many as 195,000 people a year could be dying in U.S. hospitals because of easily prevented errors, a company said on Tuesday in an estimate that doubles previous figures. Lakewood, Colorado-based HealthGrades Inc. said its data covers all 50 states and is more up-to-date than a 1999 study from the Institute of Medicine that said 98,000 people a year die from medical errors. " The HealthGrades study shows that the IOM report may have underestimated the number of deaths due to medical errors, and, moreover, that there is little evidence that patient safety has improved in the last five years, " said Dr. Samantha Collier, vice president of medical affairs at the company. The company, which rates hospitals based on a variety of criteria and provides information to insurers and health plans, said its researchers looked at three years of Medicare data in all 50 states and Washington, D.C. " This Medicare population represented approximately 45 percent of all hospital admissions (excluding obstetric patients) in the U.S. from 2000 to 2002, " the company said in a statement. HealthGrades included as mistakes failure to rescue dying patients and the death of low-risk patients from infections -- neither of which the Institute of Medicine report included. It said it found about 1.14 million " patient-safety incidents " occurred among the 37 million hospitalizations. " Of the total 323,993 deaths among Medicare patients in those years who developed one or more patient-safety incidents, 263,864, or 81 percent, of these deaths were directly attributable to the incidents, " it added. " One in every four Medicare patients who were hospitalized from 2000 to 2002 and experienced a patient-safety incident died. " The U.S. government said it is trying to spearhead a move to get hospitals and clinics to use electronic databases and prescribing methods. The Institute of Medicine report said many deaths were due to medication prescribing errors or to errors in delivering medications. " If the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's annual list of leading causes of death included medical errors, it would show up as number six, ahead of diabetes, pneumonia, Alzheimer's disease and renal disease, " Collier said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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