Digest Number 618 - acupuncture in Japan

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In a message dated 8/25/04 7:09:43 AM,

Chinese Medicine writes:

 

<< And I've had numerous patients with

clogged sinuses that needles didn't seem to do much for but five

minutes of tuina could free up.

 

--brian >>

 

ahhh, this is not a blanket statement of truth, but merely a reflection of

your experience. My patients respond to sinus treatments as soon as the needles

are inserted. The treatments last for at least two to six weeks even in the

worst case allergic rhinitis scenarios. I am not challenging your experience,

but stating that my experience is different. I was a Shiatsu and Tuina

practitioner for 6 years before I began my acupuncture practice, so my opinion

is

not because I have no experience as a hands on healer. I find needles to be

VERY effective, with all conditions and especially in Liver Qi stagnations.

another two cents

robbee

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Hi Robbee,

 

> I find needles to be VERY effective, with all conditions and

especially in Liver Qi stagnations another two cents

> robbee

 

Since you have had bodywork as well acupuncture experience, you are

the perfect person to talk to.

 

In my experiences, there have been numerous situations were

friends/acquaintances of mine did not respond to acupuncture

treatments. The treatments were being given by very well trained

acupuncturists with 30+ years of experiences. Problems ranged from

backaches, to internal diseases, to chronic allergies, chronic pains

in legs and feet, etc.

 

While they were being treated by my tuina/qigong doctor, he was able

to point out to me the particular physical obstructions - usually

areas in the vertebrae that were highly fused and immobile, or areas

in the joints, or areas in the muscles which were extremely tight and

really hard to the touch. It would seem that these areas would be the

source of a whole host of problems since these were areas where qi and

blood would stagnate. None of these areas appeared to respond to

acupuncture treatment - i.e. they would not get " softer " , more mobile,

and less obstructed, therefore the source of the problems would appear

to remain, even if there might be some temporary relief from acupuncture.

 

It appears that in your experiences, you are able to treat all

problems at their root with acupuncture. I would be very interested

then in hearing about your experiences with these type of problems. Do

you find these types of obstructions in your patients? If so, do you

think that they can be the source of chronic problems? If you agree

with this premise, then have you found acupuncture sufficient in

removing these types of obstructions? If so, can you give me an brief

example. I do not want to take up to much of your time, but it is a

topic that is of great interest to me, since in my experiences I have

found acupuncture unable to treat these type of deep seeded structural

problems which my doctor feels were either inherited (source of cold

qi), caused by accidents which overtime accumulated, or caused by

emotional/spiritual issues. Whatever the cause, the physical

manifestation very often is very substantial - i.e. very hard and

stiff as well as painful by itself or when touched.

 

Any comments based upon your experiences would be very much

appreciated. I would welcome responses from others in this forum

 

Regards,

Rich

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robbee,

 

Yes, this is based on my own experience and certainly not meant to be

a blanket statement. But you've got my curiosity up as to what type

of magic you're attaching to the ends of your needles :-) I'd be

interested to hear what you're doing. Or perhaps my needle technique

is just not that well developed at this point.

 

--brian

 

Chinese Medicine , TashiDelay@a...

wrote:

>

> In a message dated 8/25/04 7:09:43 AM,

> Chinese Medicine writes:

>

> << And I've had numerous patients with

> clogged sinuses that needles didn't seem to do much for but five

> minutes of tuina could free up.

>

> --brian >>

>

> ahhh, this is not a blanket statement of truth, but merely a

reflection of

> your experience. My patients respond to sinus treatments as soon

as the needles

> are inserted. The treatments last for at least two to six weeks

even in the

> worst case allergic rhinitis scenarios. I am not challenging your

experience,

> but stating that my experience is different. I was a Shiatsu and

Tuina

> practitioner for 6 years before I began my acupuncture practice, so

my opinion is

> not because I have no experience as a hands on healer. I find

needles to be

> VERY effective, with all conditions and especially in Liver Qi

stagnations.

> another two cents

> robbee