details of back pain client

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Hi,

 

I received so many great responses re: the back pain client, I

thought I'd share details of the case with you to see what you

think. By the way, unfortunately I have not yet been trained in Tui

Na, but the longer I stay on here the more I regret that! Here's the

case:

 

She is a 43 year old woman with several back problems. She has both

low back pain eveningly across the lower lumbar/sacral area and

midback pain around T4 to T7 or 8 (evenly distributed too). The low

back pain bothers her most. It is very tight and stiff, and she says

it feels like a board, " like its someone elses back " . Her back pain

started when she was 15 years old---she has scoliosis. She had a job

where she had to lean over a lot. Later she had a herniated disc at

about L4 or L5, she's not sure--the pain goes down lower to the

sacral area and is up above L4 to about L1 too. Sitting or standing

too long are very painful for her, as well as immobility---so she

moves around a lot---also has restless leg syndrome. The midback pain

started when she had bronchitis, but its not her main complaint.

Anytime she has a virus like a herpes outbreak her low back gets

worse. She used to be a dancer, and now does martial arts (but is

limited from the pain).

 

She tends to be cold, catches EPI's a lot, can get dizzy when she

stands quickly, and the low back pain can be dull and achey in a Kid.

def. way---so I think there is clearly deficiency (liver and kidney

deficient and wei qi)---so perhaps I should be thinking herbs. But

with her back being so stiff and tight I think that she would benefit

from acupuncture. Its been bad enough that she has gotten shots for

the pain, and has started taking anti-inflammatories. She also has

liver Qi stagnation/liver blood and yin deficient symptoms--in

personality and with stools that are dry, round pellets; floaters;

restless leg syndrome that gives her only 5 1/2 hours of sleep a

night (trouble falling and staying asleep). Tends to worry a lot, and

be pretty emotional. Has been " overwhelmed with compassion for the

pain in the world " ever since she had children. Also more irritable.

She says she has high energy---so that must be coming from yin

deficient heat or stagnation. Periods are heavy, and she often spots

from day 7 to day 15 of her cycle.

 

Any ideas about points and/or herbs would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

 

Laura

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How did you treat her?

 

heylaurag <heylaurag wrote:Hi,

 

I received so many great responses re: the back pain client, I

thought I'd share details of the case with you to see what you

think. By the way, unfortunately I have not yet been trained in Tui

Na, but the longer I stay on here the more I regret that! Here's the

case:

 

She is a 43 year old woman with several back problems. She has both

low back pain eveningly across the lower lumbar/sacral area and

midback pain around T4 to T7 or 8 (evenly distributed too). The low

back pain bothers her most. It is very tight and stiff, and she says

it feels like a board, " like its someone elses back " . Her back pain

started when she was 15 years old---she has scoliosis. She had a job

where she had to lean over a lot. Later she had a herniated disc at

about L4 or L5, she's not sure--the pain goes down lower to the

sacral area and is up above L4 to about L1 too. Sitting or standing

too long are very painful for her, as well as immobility---so she

moves around a lot---also has restless leg syndrome. The midback pain

started when she had bronchitis, but its not her main complaint.

Anytime she has a virus like a herpes outbreak her low back gets

worse. She used to be a dancer, and now does martial arts (but is

limited from the pain).

 

She tends to be cold, catches EPI's a lot, can get dizzy when she

stands quickly, and the low back pain can be dull and achey in a Kid.

def. way---so I think there is clearly deficiency (liver and kidney

deficient and wei qi)---so perhaps I should be thinking herbs. But

with her back being so stiff and tight I think that she would benefit

from acupuncture. Its been bad enough that she has gotten shots for

the pain, and has started taking anti-inflammatories. She also has

liver Qi stagnation/liver blood and yin deficient symptoms--in

personality and with stools that are dry, round pellets; floaters;

restless leg syndrome that gives her only 5 1/2 hours of sleep a

night (trouble falling and staying asleep). Tends to worry a lot, and

be pretty emotional. Has been " overwhelmed with compassion for the

pain in the world " ever since she had children. Also more irritable.

She says she has high energy---so that must be coming from yin

deficient heat or stagnation. Periods are heavy, and she often spots

from day 7 to day 15 of her cycle.

 

Any ideas about points and/or herbs would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

 

Laura

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> heylaurag <heylaurag wrote:Hi,

> Any ideas about points and/or herbs would be greatly

> appreciated.

> Thanks!

 

Hi Laura - I would mainly treat her for sleep.

Sleeping well she would begin to accumulate qi and

regenerate yin.

Gui Pi and Zhi Bai would be the two main formulas I

would prescribe.

Hope that helps.

 

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

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The case invites an elemental approach, and if one accepts, the herring

takes

on a redder hue.

 

Scoliotic has been the basis of her problems from the time she

drew first breath. Treating its consequences of that will take care of

almost

all problems.

 

Almost certainly she has one or more of these diagnostic indicators:

1. One of the shoulders is raised.

[This would need correction with a scapular release]

 

2. One of the GB 21 is stagnated.

[This, with adjusting the qi at SP 9 etc]

 

3. The waist from the rear shows one more creased, bulged, lacking tone.

[This, Dai points and LI points at the deltoid]

 

4. One of the ASIS and inguinal lig is fearfully tender.

[This with a combination of K 9 and last point on K channel]

 

5. One TMJ is tender, or one SCM tighter.

[Fix things with opposite GB 41-SJ 5 etc]

 

Several other tests are possible.

 

If spine curves outwards at T 4 to 8, to the L, all organs at that level to

the R will be

crunched up, which could lead to a stagnated LV, and undraning GB, problems

up and down the channels of these organs, a congested portal circulation,

which in itself invites the hell to pay situation.

 

The LV situation, figuring so prominently, is not a LV situation, and

treating it

as such, could in the short term allay symptoms, in the longer stretch

aggravate

matters.

 

Feedback?

 

Regards

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

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Chinese Medicine , " homi kaikobad "

<aryaone@e...> wrote:

 

> Scoliotic has been the basis of her problems from the time she

> drew first breath. Treating its consequences of that will take care of

> almost all problems.

>

 

I like the poetry and the imagery. :-) I couldn't agree more. With

bodywork I would work the whole body and energetic channels to clear

the " congestion " oput through the extremities thereby releasing the

" inherited cold qi " , and in a very natural way allow the body to bring

itself back into free flowing qi harmony. :-) I am not sure whether I

am a plumber or an artiste. :-)

 

Regards,

Rich