Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Hi, I'm curious to hear your personal experiences with hypothyroid and using Chinese herbs vs. medication. I know that in theory Chinese herbs should work, but I'd like to know if you have actually seen evidence. A teacher told me that its not as simple as hypothyroid equals yang deficiency. Anyone know what other diagnosis to be on the lookout for? I have several patients with this diagnosis, and one is on a megadose of Armour---literally about 100 times the regular dose. She wants to get off it. I'm also wondering if anyone is clear on the downside to using Armour thyroid for hypothyroid. Its derived from a natural source, so I thought that it might be ok. Thanks! Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Here's some information for you on Hypothyroidism. Before I treat anyone I will always get a amino acid profile from http://metametrix.com/. The serum test is the one I reccomend. The patient can also be evaluated for iodine deficiency. I would never put a patient on any of the supplements recommended below unless I test for them first for a baseline reading. A recent patient of mine has now been of her thyroid medications for 3 months and her tests are still normal, although it tooke her about a year due to severe deficiency of several amino acids, especially tyrosine which is the main amino acid you need to look at for thyroid disorders. You also need to run the right blood tests. TSH Total T3 Total T4 Free T3 Free T4 This are the basics that should always be ran, there are others but in my opinion this are some of the most important. Hope this helps Brian Description Hypothyroidism is an ailment characterized by under-activity of the Thyroid Gland (i.e. insufficient production of Thyroid Hormones). The most “observable” sign of Hypothyroidism is a low basal temperature upon awakening in the morning. Prevalence research Hypothyroidism occurs most frequently in women over the age of 40 (however men and teenagers are also prone to Hypothyroidism): - 12.5% of women aged 35 to 60 are affected by Hypothyroidism. - 15% - 20% of women over the age of 60 are affected by subclinical Hypothyroidism. - Hypothyroidism is believed to be more prevalent than once thought - up to 10% of the overall population is believed to be affected by some degree of Hypothyroidism - this Hypothyroidism is severe in 2% of the population and subclinical in 8% of the population. - Approximately 50% of people with Hypothyroidism are unaware that they have Hypothyroidism. These Substances Alleviate Hypothyroidism Alkaloids Capsaicin alleviates Hypothyroidism (by stimulating the Thyroid). Amino Acids Tyrosine (500 - 1,000 mg per day) alleviates Hypothyroidism (by stimulating the Thyroid and by contributing to the production of Thyroid Hormones). Electromagnetic Radiation Exposure to Sunlight alleviates Hypothyroidism (by stimulating the Thyroid). Hormones Thyroxine (T4) alleviates Hypothyroidism - insufficient secretion of Thyroxine is the primary cause of Hypothyroidism. Triiodothyronine (T3) alleviates Hypothyroidism - insufficient secretion of Triiodothyronine can cause Hypothyroidism. research Lipids Forskolin assists the treatment of Hypothyroidism (by stimulating the production and release of Thyroid Hormones). research Minerals Iodine (approximately 1 mg per day) alleviates Hypothyroidism (by stimulating the Thyroid and by contributing to the production of Thyroid Hormones). Selenium is useful for the treatment of Hypothyroidism (due to its role in the conversion of Thyroxine (T4) to Triiodothyronine (T3). research Thyroid Hormone Precursors Thyrotrophin alleviates Hypothyroidism (by stimulating the release of Thyroid Hormones - Thyroxine and Triiodothyronine). Thyrotrophin-Releasing Hormone (TRH) alleviates Hypothyroidism (by stimulating the release of Thyrotrophin which in turn stimulates the secretion of Thyroid Hormones). These Foods/Herbs Stimulate an Underactive Thyroid Algae Kelp stimulates the Thyroid (due to the Iodine content of Kelp). Animal-Derived Supplements Thyroid Extract helps to increase Thyroid Hormone levels in Hypothyroidism patients. Herbs Chillis stimulate the Thyroid (due to the Capsaicin content of Chillis). Ginsengs stimulate the Thyroid. Guggulipid (Guggal extract) alleviates Hypothyroidism (due to Guggulsterones in Guggulipid stimulating the production of Thyroid Hormones). Other Factors that Alleviate Hypothyroidism Physical Therapies Regular Exercise helps to raise the Basal Metabolic Rate of Hypothyroidism patients. Orthodox Medical Treatment of Hypothyroidism Hormones The usual orthodox medical treatment of Hypothyroidism is exogenous, pharmaceutical Thyroxine (e.g. Levothroid; Levoxine; Synthroid). Defects in Orthodox Medical Treatment of Hypothyroidism T4 Monotherapy By using exogenous Thyroxine (T4) as a monotherapy, orthodox medical treatment of Hypothyroidism does not address the deficiency in the synthesis of other Thyroid Hormones. Ideally the treatment of Hypothyroidism should supply all of the Thyroid Hormones (T1, T2, T3 and T4). The minor Thyroid Hormones (T1 and T2), however, are not as important as Triiodothyronine (T3) and Thyroxine (T4). Therefore it is almost as effective to prescribe a mixture of Triiodothyronine (T3) and Thyroxine (T4). Progressive health professionals usually prescribe any of the following therapies for the treatment of Hypothyroidism: - Combination of Triiodothyronine (T3) and Thyroxine (T4) in a 1:4 ratio (e.g. 12.5 - 180 mg of Thyroxine combined with 3.125 - 45 mcg of Triiodothyronine. Products containing this combination include Euthroid; Liotrix and Thyrolar. - Combination of all of the Thyroid Hormones. Products containing this combination include Armour; Desiccated Thyroid Hormone; Nathroid; Natural Thyroid Extract; Thyrar; Thyroid Strong; Thyroplex and Westhroid Clinical studies have demonstrated that treatment of Hypothyroidism with combination Thyroid Hormone therapy is more effective than treatment with Thryoxine (T4) alone. research Orthodox medicine assumes that replacement of Thyroxine as a monotherapy will result in conversion of Thyroxine to Triiodothyronine within the body. Research (i.e. frequent measurement of Triiodothyronine levels and Thyroxine levels in Hypothyroidism patients) indicates that this is not the case. Many Hypothyroidism patients have a defective mechanism for the conversion of Thyroxine to Triiodothyronine. These Substances can Cause Hypothyroidism Minerals Consumption of more than 30 mg of Cobalt per day can cause Hypothyroidism. Excessive consumption of Fluoride (form of Fluorine) slows down the Thyroid Gland which can lead to Hypothyroidism. Pharmaceutical Drugs Exogenous, pharmaceutical forms of Interferon Alpha can cause Hypothyroidism. research Sulfuric Compounds Some types of Isothiocyanates can cause Hypothyroidism (by blocking the utilization of Iodine. These Ailments can Cause Hypothyroidism Aging Process The risk of Hypothyroidism increases in tandem with the progression of the Aging Process. Digestive System Hypochlorhydria may cause Hypothyroidism. peer-reviewed research Metabolism Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is believed to be the most common cause of primary Hypothyroidism in Western nations. Nervous System Excessive Stress can cause Hypothyroidism. research Hypothyroidism Increases Levels of these Toxic Substances Amino Acids Hypothyroidism causes elevated Homocysteine levels. research Hypothyroidism can Cause these Ailments Cardiovascular System Hypothyroidism increases the risk of Atherosclerosis (as a result of increased serum Cholesterol and Triglycerides levels). research Bradycardia can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Hypothyroidism increases the risk of some Cardiovascular Diseases (Hypothyroidism patients generally exhibit elevated LDL Cholesterol and Lipoprotein (a) levels). research Hypothyrodism increases the risk of Heart Attack. research Hypothyroidism patients are at greater risk of Hypertension. research Hypothyroidism increases the risk of Stroke. research Cells Hypothyroidism causes impairment in the Energy-producing capability of the Mitochondria of Cells. research Digestive System Hypothyroidism can cause Constipation (this occurs from a reduction in peristalsis). research Excretory System Hypothyroidism can cause impaired function of the Kidneys. research Immune System Hypothyroidism is a common (although rarely diagnosed by orthodox medical practitioners) underlying cause of Allergies: - Hypothyroidism causes a decrease in the body's production of Cortisol Binding Globulin (CBG). Hypothyroidism impairs the function of the Immune System: research - Hypothyroidism causes a significant reduction in Thymulin activity. research Metabolism Lowered Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the principal symptom of Hypothyroidism. research It is speculated that the underlying cause of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) may be Hypothyroidism (indicating that replacement doses of Thyroid Hormones may alleviate CFS). research Elevated serum Cholesterol levels can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Lack of Energy can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Fatigue can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism and is one of the principal symptoms of Hypothyroidism. research Hypothyroidism is the primary cause of Goiter. Hypothyroidism can cause Hypoglycemia. Hypothyroidism can cause elevated LDL Cholesterol levels. Hypothyroidism can be the underlying cause of Lethargy. research Hypothyroidism can cause elevated Lipoprotein (a) levels. research Low Body Temperature can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. This manifests as excessive feelings of coldness. references Obesity is often attributable to the recued Basal Metabolic Rate that results from Hypothyroidism. research Elevated serum Triglycerides levels can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Musculoskeletal System Hypothyroidism is a possible precipitating factor (and possibly a direct cause) of Fibromyalgia. research Muscle Cramps can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Muscle Pain and stiffness are some of the earliest symptoms of Hypothyroidism. research Impaired Muscle Tone can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Muscle Weakness is a symptoms of Hypothyroidism. research Hypothyroidism increases the risk of Osteoporosis. research Nervous System Anxiety can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Hyperthyroidism is the underlying cause of some cases of Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD). research Poor Concentration ability can occur as a result of Hypothyrodism. research Confusion can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Depression (including Major Depression) can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism: research - Hypothyroidism can cause Manic Depression. peer-reviewed research When women are afflicted with Hypothyroidism during Pregnancy, their offspring experience a significant reduction in Intelligence. research Impaired Learning ability can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Memory impairment can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Sluggish Mental Function can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. Neuropathy can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Poor (delayed) Reflexes can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Slow Speech (Scanning Speech) can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Lack of Willpower can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Sexual System When women are afflicted with Hypothyroidism during Pregnancy, their offspring experience a significant reduction in Intelligence. research Pre-Menstrual Syndrome (PMS) can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Hypothyroidism can cause a lack of Sexual Desire. references Skin/Hair/Nails Brittle Hair can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Dry Hair can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research (Non-Scarring forms of) Hair Loss can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Thin, brittle Nails with transverse grooves can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Thickened Skin or Dry Skin can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Slow healing of Wounds can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism. research Temperature Mild Hypothermia (manifested in the form of constant feelings of coldness, even in warm environmental temperature) can occur as a result of Hypothyroidism: research - Maintenance of body temperature is one of the major uses of body Energy (decreased Energy production therefore reduces the ability of the body to maintain correct body temperature). - When Energy production is impaired, the body conserves heat - one of the most effective methods of conserving heat is to decrease Blood Circulation to the extremities. - This accounts for the cold hands and cold feet often experienced by Hypothyroidism patients. Hypothyroidism Interferes with these Substances Hormones Hypothyroidism often causes a decrease in Testosterone levels (in men). peer-reviewed research Contraindications - Hypothyroidism Patients Should Avoid these Herbs Under no circumstances should Hypothyroidism patients use Bugleweed (due to it further lowering already depleted Thyroid Hormone levels). Diagnosing Hypothryoidism Laboratory Testing Elevated Thyrotrophin (TSH) levels are indicative of Hypothyroidism: - Normally the Pituitary Gland secretes Thyrotrophin in response to a negative feedback mechanism instigated by low Thyroid Hormones levels. - Thyrotrophin measurement is regarded by some progressive health professionals as being somewhat insensitive and that reliance on this method for diagnosing Hypothyroidism will not detect many cases. Many patients with TSH levels of 1.5 (or greater) are subsequently diagnosed as having Hypothyroidism. Measurement of Free T3 (Triiodothyronine) and T4 (Thyroxine) levels is regarded by many progressive health professionals as the most accurate means of diagnosing Hypothyroidism. Forms of Hypothyroidism Subclinical Hypothyroidism (also known as Diminished Thyroid Reserve; Mild Thyroid Failure) is the first stage of Hypothyroidism, during which Thyroxine levels are normal while Thyrotrophin (TSH) levels are slightly elevated. In-Tele-Health © 2002 (from Hyperhealth Pro CD-ROM) heylaurag <heylaurag wrote: Hi, I'm curious to hear your personal experiences with hypothyroid and using Chinese herbs vs. medication. I know that in theory Chinese herbs should work, but I'd like to know if you have actually seen evidence. A teacher told me that its not as simple as hypothyroid equals yang deficiency. Anyone know what other diagnosis to be on the lookout for? I have several patients with this diagnosis, and one is on a megadose of Armour---literally about 100 times the regular dose. She wants to get off it. I'm also wondering if anyone is clear on the downside to using Armour thyroid for hypothyroid. Its derived from a natural source, so I thought that it might be ok. Thanks! Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 --- heylaurag <heylaurag wrote: > A teacher told me that its not as > simple as > hypothyroid equals yang deficiency. Anyone know what > other diagnosis > to be on the lookout for? Don't be on the lookout, just do a clear, careful pattern differentiation and treat for that. > I'm also wondering if anyone is clear on the > downside to using Armour > thyroid for hypothyroid. Its derived from a natural > source, so I > thought that it might be ok. The problem with supplementing with any thyroid hormone, synthetic or natural, is that the thyroid gland dies, turns into a big scar. This means that once someone is on the thyroid med for more than a year or two (scarring occurs at differing rates), they can't come off. Or maybe they can. See you, Hugo _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Brian, Do you also think a hyperthyroid condition is affected by imbalance of amino acids? Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 In a message dated 8/26/2004 10:23:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, heylaurag writes: Hi, I'm curious to hear your personal experiences with hypothyroid and using Chinese herbs vs. medication. I know that in theory Chinese herbs should work, but I'd like to know if you have actually seen evidence. A teacher told me that its not as simple as hypothyroid equals yang deficiency. Anyone know what other diagnosis to be on the lookout for? I have several patients with this diagnosis, and one is on a megadose of Armour---literally about 100 times the regular dose. She wants to get off it. I'm also wondering if anyone is clear on the downside to using Armour thyroid for hypothyroid. Its derived from a natural source, so I thought that it might be ok. Thanks! Laura Ask yourself,,, why is the person giving symptoms of thyroid deficiency? Is it low TSH? is it low conversion of active hormone? Is there a nutritional deficiency that would make it impossible for the thyroid to make the correct level of hormones. Is there a food acting as a suppresser? Are there emotions tying up Chi, slowing function? It is way beyond a simple yang deficiency. Unfortunately, if we bypass the normal hormone feedback mechanism by supplementing hormones, the body tends to shut down the feedback mechanism. The longer you abuse the system the less likely it will be that the body will go back to regulating itself. I've seen people warm right up with a change of diet and I have had people I through in the kitchen sink and got nowhere. Thyroid is tricky some times. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 yeesh! has anybody looked at her TSH levels? Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, FIAMA Chiropractic Physician Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncture Kent, CT " There is no meaning in life except the meaning that man gives his life by the unfolding of his powers. " --Erich Fromm - " heylaurag " <heylaurag <Chinese Medicine > Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:42 AM hypothyroid: herbs or Armour? > one is on a megadose > of Armour---literally about 100 times the regular dose. She wants to > get off it. > > Thanks! Laura > > > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 TSH will be off if on any Thyroid medication. She needs to be evaluated for Wilson's syndrome. And have a Anti TPO antibody and a anti-TG antibody titer run. and evaluate the patients Iodine level Dan Martin DOM - " Dr. Avery L. Jenkins " <ajenkins <Chinese Medicine > Friday, August 27, 2004 8:00 AM Re: hypothyroid: herbs or Armour? > yeesh! has anybody looked at her TSH levels? > > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, FIAMA > Chiropractic Physician > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncture > Kent, CT > > > " There is no meaning in life except the meaning that man gives his life by > the unfolding of his powers. " > --Erich Fromm > - > " heylaurag " <heylaurag > <Chinese Medicine > > Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:42 AM > hypothyroid: herbs or Armour? > > > > one is on a megadose > > of Armour---literally about 100 times the regular dose. She wants to > > get off it. > > > > Thanks! Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Actually, it would tend to be lowered on meds, although not in all cases. I would be more interested in the existence of elevated values. Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, FIAMA Chiropractic Physician Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncture Kent, CT " There is no meaning in life except the meaning that man gives his life by the unfolding of his powers. " --Erich Fromm - " Dr. Martin " <nfc <Chinese Medicine > Friday, August 27, 2004 11:47 AM Re: hypothyroid: herbs or Armour? > TSH will be off if on any Thyroid medication. > > She needs to be evaluated for Wilson's syndrome. > > And have a Anti TPO antibody and a anti-TG antibody titer run. > > and evaluate the patients Iodine level > > Dan Martin DOM > > > - > " Dr. Avery L. Jenkins " <ajenkins > <Chinese Medicine > > Friday, August 27, 2004 8:00 AM > Re: hypothyroid: herbs or Armour? > > > > yeesh! has anybody looked at her TSH levels? > > > > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, DACBN, FIAMA > > Chiropractic Physician > > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition > > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncture > > Kent, CT > > > > > > " There is no meaning in life except the meaning that man gives his life by > > the unfolding of his powers. " > > --Erich Fromm > > - > > " heylaurag " <heylaurag > > <Chinese Medicine > > > Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:42 AM > > hypothyroid: herbs or Armour? > > > > > > > one is on a megadose > > > of Armour---literally about 100 times the regular dose. She wants to > > > get off it. > > > > > > Thanks! Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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