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Hot tubs, they call them " spas " these days as they come with " jets "

for hydrotherapy if desired.

A client spent a week in the mountains at a hot spring and since

arriving home he's been toying with the idea of putting a spa in his

back yard.

He already considered the " sitting in a hot vat of chemicals " aspect

and has looked into ion and ozone purifiers.

There's a federal law here in the USA that a spa can not be marketed

that heats above 104 degrees.

 

Are there precautions he needs to consider from an Asian medical

perspective?

 

Penel

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Yeah sure,

 

If he has a Yin deficiency excessive exposure to hot water will of course

worsen the situation. I give out the following advise to those you have

baths (hot tubs):

 

" If having a bath, fill it up to waist height, do not cover the upper body

and sit up. The water should not be excessively hot, 37-38 degrees. Keep

both hands out of the water and bath yourself with water over your body.

Bath for 30 minutes then wear socks, trousers and a t-shirt. "

 

Kind regards

 

Attilio D'Alberto

<http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com

 

 

hyldemoer [hyldemoer]

28 September 2004 18:11

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sitting in hot water

 

 

Hot tubs, they call them " spas " these days as they come with " jets "

for hydrotherapy if desired.

A client spent a week in the mountains at a hot spring and since

arriving home he's been toying with the idea of putting a spa in his

back yard.

He already considered the " sitting in a hot vat of chemicals " aspect

and has looked into ion and ozone purifiers.

There's a federal law here in the USA that a spa can not be marketed

that heats above 104 degrees.

 

Are there precautions he needs to consider from an Asian medical

perspective?

 

Penel

 

 

 

 

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I think Hot tubs as well as other activity that produces a sweat (raises

body temperatures) fall under the Shan hung lun description of

" inappropriate treatment " and should be considered when prescribing

medicinals. I ask this question on my standard intake forms.

 

Ed Kasper LAc, Santa Cruz, CA

 

 

 

 

Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:21:53 +0100

" Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto

RE: sitting in hot water

 

Yeah sure,

 

If he has a Yin deficiency excessive exposure to hot water will of course

worsen the situation. I give out the following advise to those you have

baths (hot tubs):

 

" If having a bath, fill it up to waist height, do not cover the upper body

and sit up. The water should not be excessively hot, 37-38 degrees. Keep

both hands out of the water and bath yourself with water over your body.

Bath for 30 minutes then wear socks, trousers and a t-shirt. "

 

Kind regards

 

Attilio D'Alberto

<http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com

 

 

hyldemoer [hyldemoer]

28 September 2004 18:11

Chinese Medicine

sitting in hot water

 

 

Hot tubs, they call them " spas " these days as they come with " jets "

for hydrotherapy if desired.

A client spent a week in the mountains at a hot spring and since

arriving home he's been toying with the idea of putting a spa in his

back yard.

He already considered the " sitting in a hot vat of chemicals " aspect

and has looked into ion and ozone purifiers.

There's a federal law here in the USA that a spa can not be marketed

that heats above 104 degrees.

 

Are there precautions he needs to consider from an Asian medical

perspective?

 

Penel

 

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Very good point. Inappropriate sweating can cause a transmuted pattern

( a worsening, more complex disease). However, sometimes we can

prescribe appropriate sweating in certain conditions and circumstances.

 

 

On Sep 29, 2004, at 12:26 PM, Ed Kasper LAc wrote:

 

> I think Hot tubs as well as other activity that produces a sweat

> (raises

> body temperatures) fall under the Shan hung lun description of

> " inappropriate treatment " and should be considered when prescribing

> medicinals. I ask this question on my standard intake forms.

>

> Ed Kasper LAc, Santa Cruz, CA

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Many of the clients I seem to attract are those that do a lot of self

prescribing covering a wide range of alternatives. Some common encounters

are those that do Hot Tub, Sauna, Sweat Lodge and more common Colon

Cleanses or Fasting. I also get the athletic types that are in competition

(often with themselves) that symptoms manifest only after the athelics short

term goal have been realized and they go into a now I can relax stage. I

think us alternative types have to take into consideration what other forms

of healing are our clients doing similar to what M.D.s have to (should)

consider that their clients are also seeing other M.D 's but are not telling

them about.

 

Ed Kasper LAc, Santa Cruz, CA

 

 

 

Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:56: Rosenberg " <zrosenbe

Re: RE: sitting in hot water

 

Very good point. Inappropriate sweating can cause a transmuted pattern

( a worsening, more complex disease). However, sometimes we can

prescribe appropriate sweating in certain conditions and circumstances.

 

 

On Sep 29, 2004, at 12:26 PM, Ed Kasper LAc wrote:

 

> I think Hot tubs as well as other activity that produces a sweat

> (raises

> body temperatures) fall under the Shan hung lun description of

> " inappropriate treatment " and should be considered when prescribing

> medicinals. I ask this question on my standard intake forms.

>

> Ed Kasper LAc, Santa Cruz, CA

 

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> An interesting phenomena that I have noted is that when folks

(mostly Indigenous Peoples) among my patients go to a real Inipi

(Sweat Lodge) with a traditional Inipi leader they seem to suffer

none of the negative effects BUT when folks go to new age/ shaman

type Swetas they come back with all of the results one would expect

from overheating the system. The stranger thing is that a

traditional Lakota Inipi is often much hotter and of longer duration.

>

> Makes one think......

>

> Doc

>

> Ed Kasper LAc wrote:

> Many of the clients I seem to attract are those that do a lot of

self

> prescribing covering a wide range of alternatives. Some common

encounters

> are those that do Hot Tub, Sauna, Sweat Lodge

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In a message dated 10/1/2004 12:40:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

attiliodalberto writes:

I find that I suffer

from the heat if its a sulphur natural spring more so than another natural

heating method.

 

 

Interesting,,,,,, I find high sulfur foods bother me. IT doesn't feel

like a food allergy as much as they augment my Yin deficiency.

 

Chris

 

 

 

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Thank you Attilio, Z'ev, Ed, and Doc for your comments.

They've given me something to ponder for a while.

I have an autosomal dominal disorder that leaves me with practically

no subcutanious adipose tissue over most of my body. Simply put, I

have no physical insulation. How anyone should react to sitting in

hot

water will always be a vicarious experience for me. I'll just have to

have faith in theories.

 

For the record,

that legal limit of heat I'd mentioned that spas/hot tubs can be

marketed at 104 degrees farenheit is 40 centigrade.

The temperature Attilio suggested in his quote was 37-38 centigrade.

38 is approximately 100 degrees.

 

Shared Doc;

> An interesting phenomena that I have

> noted is that when folks (mostly

> Indigenous Peoples) among my patients

> go to a real Inipi (Sweat Lodge) with

> a traditional Inipi leader they seem

> to suffer none of the negative effects

> BUT when folks go to new age/ shaman

> type Swetas they come back with all

> of the results one would expect from

> overheating the system. The stranger

> thing is that a traditional Lakota

> Inipi is often much hotter and of longer

> duration.

 

This is curious!

My next question was based on reading that visits to hot springs is

very popular in Japan.

The internet would also have us believe that a favorite way to relax

in Japan after a long day at work is spending a half hour in a

soaking tub with extremely hot water up to the neck.

 

At first I was willing to accept this might be just another abusive

coping strategy like junk food diet, smoking, or social drinking.

Then I thought, perhaps as I lack insulation there are people who

have more of it distributed evenly under their skin and it takes

longer for them to feel warmth.

 

Would a practicioner of Asian medicine in Japan expect to see

negative effects in a client returning from the hot springs or

excessive use of their soaking tub at home?

 

Where there are hot springs in Japan, is there an abundance of local

Asian oriented theory medical facilities to help folks monitor the

effects of the hot water?

 

I assume China has hot public baths as well. Is there an anticipated

syndrome associated with abusive use of those facilities?

 

Penel

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Well I don't know about Japan, but I've had quite a few bathes in natural

springs in India and South Korea.

 

I've found that I can only bathe for a short period of time because I have a

Yin deficient syndrome which is worsened by the heat. I find that I suffer

from the heat if its a sulphur natural spring more so than another natural

heating method.

 

I think that moderation is best. Having a natural hot bath everyday is

detrimental no matter if its natural or not.

 

Kind regards

 

Attilio D'Alberto

<http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> www.attiliodalberto.com

 

 

hyldemoer [hyldemoer]

01 October 2004 17:22

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Re: sitting in hot water

 

 

This is curious!

My next question was based on reading that visits to hot springs is

very popular in Japan.

The internet would also have us believe that a favorite way to relax

in Japan after a long day at work is spending a half hour in a

soaking tub with extremely hot water up to the neck.

 

At first I was willing to accept this might be just another abusive

coping strategy like junk food diet, smoking, or social drinking.

Then I thought, perhaps as I lack insulation there are people who

have more of it distributed evenly under their skin and it takes

longer for them to feel warmth.

 

Would a practicioner of Asian medicine in Japan expect to see

negative effects in a client returning from the hot springs or

excessive use of their soaking tub at home?

 

Where there are hot springs in Japan, is there an abundance of local

Asian oriented theory medical facilities to help folks monitor the

effects of the hot water?

 

I assume China has hot public baths as well. Is there an anticipated

syndrome associated with abusive use of those facilities?

 

Penel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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--- Doc <Doc wrote:

> (Sweat Lodge) with a traditional Inipi leader they

> seem to suffer

> none of the negative effects BUT when folks go to

> new age/ shaman

> type Swetas they come back with all of the results

> one would expect

> from overheating the system. The stranger thing is

> that a

> traditional Lakota Inipi is often much hotter and of

> longer duration.

 

Not strange: it is exactly the strong heat, length of

time and level of discomfort that really gets deep abd

cleans the body. These half-assed new age sweat houses

are tempered ot be very comfortable and achieve the

same hting as comfort foods - nothing except to

distract and waste time.

 

:I Hugo

 

 

> >

> > Makes one think......

> >

> > Doc

> >

> > Ed Kasper LAc wrote:

> > Many of the clients I seem to attract are those

> that do a lot of

> self

> > prescribing covering a wide range of alternatives.

> Some common

> encounters

> > are those that do Hot Tub, Sauna, Sweat Lodge

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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