OT: Who is Butch ** Was: Recent Posts

[Guest guest]

Hello Butch,

Thank-you, no not sorry I asked at all-

Respect comes to mind, giving it and deserving it. At 32 this is the

first time in my life that I am truly aware of WAR - too young to

remember Vietnam and busy with babies when the Gulf war was on, to

my small town 60 mins from NYC it was just pictures on TV. The world

has gotten smaller since Sept. as some of the terrorists money were

filtered through a local business. We all hold our kids tighter now.

But not as outward as you I fight my battles in my backyard, I

admire people who share there knowledge to help not because they

know more and to demean.

My husband and I sell cars and were honest(go figure) just the 2 of

us and although getting rich by working hard does not seem a reality

we muttle through- I sold a car to a southern gentleman in the army

and the next day he was called to duty , he could only contact us by

e-mail, but he was so touched that I wrote him to thank him for

fighting for us and to come home safe, his car is waiting for him, I

hope he is safe and can enjoy that car soon, I haven't heard from

him in a month.

You are a plethora of information, and I will be looking into those

oils. I see why you are so admired and beloved. Thanks for answering

me inbetween luncheons with the Ambassadors( somehow I think that

impresses me more than you

Emryldgea

 

 

 

, Butch Owen <butchbsi@s...> wrote:

> Depends on who you ask. I betcha afore you finish reading this

you will

> be sorry you asked .. ;-p

[Guest guest]

Hi Emryldgea,

 

Welcome to the list. Though I've not posted much lately, I've monitored

the list and read your posts .. and I believe you'll have lots of good

times on this list .. its the most friendly one around.

 

Chris sorta put a monkey on my back with her reply .. thanks Chris! ;-{

 

> > Congratulations to the new Mom!

 

Right on you are .. I been off line a lot but congratulations Michele -

and welcome Jordan .. :-)

 

> > Glad to here that Butch is OK and candles lit to all who are

> > suffering from that tragedy.

 

Thanks much ... sincere good vibes (from the heart) can often make good

things happen and it is likely that there might be a soul or two yet to

be pulled out alive. We found an older lady and a teenager alive on the

fifth day of the big one back in 99. What was killing folks then was

dehydration. Both of these lucky folks had been in a kitchen when the

quake occured and were able to get some water from broken pipes.

 

The death toll for this one has moved up to around 200 - not sure what

is being reported in the media but that's a fairly accurate figure as

of this morning.

 

> > To those of us who are fairly new could someone please give us the

> > scoop on Mr. Butch-

 

Depends on who you ask. I betcha afore you finish reading this you will

be sorry you asked .. ;-p A man of few words he rarely is and a Mr. he

ain't never been. ;-p Call me Butch or whatever but a Mr. I ain't - in

fact, the last member of my family that was a Mr. was my grandpappy. My

father was a professional military man and my son served 4 years so

being a Mr. is sorta a letdown after that .. ;-p

 

> He is THE man for EO's

 

Garsh .. Thanks Chris. I do my best to offer proven quality and purity

and can back up my claims with analysis tests instead of just words.

But I have an edge on most sellers that lets me operate in a whole

different fashion. First, I'm rebellious by nature so when they said I

couldn't make it in the business by offering analysis tests on every oil

to those who wanted it, I decided to show them that was bovine

excrement. I had been doing that for years in bulk exports (minimum was

100 kilos) so it wasn't a big change. The other edge is that I'm in the

business for a different reason than most. I don't need the money. I

do this cause I like it and when I stop liking it I'll go fishing.

Though my company has more than doubled sales annually in 28 months

since we began, I have yet to take one dollar out as profit - I put it

back to improve facilities, the quality of my employees, and to find

more oils to offer. When you don't depend on a business for income,

you have flexibility. The reason most folks never get rich is they're

too busy working for a living. :-(

 

> > not only does he talk like a southerner- he writes like one too-

>

> He is a southerner - Kentucky Fried , lives in Turkey now

 

Yep .. I'm what's known in Turkey as a sophisticated Maganda Suthran

American and in America as an edumocated Redneck .. a flexible Suth'ran

boy I be too. That surprises them whut don't know me if they try to

cross swords with me on a list cause they think us Suth'ran folks ain't

trained in the gentlemanly sport of fencing. While they still trying to

find that down-home weakness they've been led to believe is common in us

slow Suth'ran folks, I done sliced'em up and gone. ;-p Us Suth'raners

likes the fact that them whut don't know us tends to underestimate us.

 

I'm not cruel in business dealings or discussions on lists but there are

some who claim I am after I stomp them with hard facts and destroy their

emotional positions on issues .. ;-9 I've seen a few of the elephants

in life and can tell when someone is arguing from a point of weakness or

a philosophical or hypothetical position. When they do that, taking'em

on is easy cause they're hunting griz with a pea shooter. I've stayed

out of the anti-American, anti-Republican, anti-Bush emotional/political

crap going down on the Idma AT List now cause if I get into it, there's

gonna be a lotta anger ... and discussion on AT and EO won't happen for

a month or so. Some of the more vocal folks on that list think they are

crapping in tall cotton cause I've not weighed in yet .. they don't

realize how close they are to losing a night of sleep. If they keep on

bad-mouthing American principles and folks I hold near and dear they're

gonna learn.

 

I reckon I'm as comfortable in blue jeans in a Redneck beer joint or

sitting on the creek bank sucking suds and catching catfeesh as I am in

a tux at a Prime Ministery cocktail. In fact, come tomorrow morning,

I'm having breakfast with the American Ambassador here in Turkey .. the

only difference twixt that and sitting on the creek bank is I gotta wear

a suit tomorrow. The folks here know me .. and we get along fine.

 

I've known warlords from Vietnam, Somalia and Uzbekistan who were good

fellers at times .. and American politicians I wouldn't pee on if they

were on fire. I've met my share of patriots and mercenaries - and had a

drink or three with them. I've eaten at tables where the value of the

food on the table was more than my annual salary, and on riverbanks

where we grabbed goat meat with our right hands while sitting in the

mud.

 

In my younger days as an enlisted man, I sold encyclopedias, cut lunch

meat in a deli, trained as an apprentice butcher, pumped gas, punched

clocks as a security guard for Pinkerton, and cut tobacco in the fields.

All of this was part-time work .. honorable things .. and I look back at

those experiences as being fond memories.

 

I quit relating details long ago - when I realized most folks couldn't

understand anyway ... now, the only time I tell tales of the mountains

I've climbed is with ex-military folks cause they're the ones who can

truly relate. My relationship with civilians is an entirely different

thing - and its good too. Oh yea - that breakfast tomorrow is for the

American business owners in Ankara .. not just for me. ;-p

 

I'm a retired US Army Officer .. 30 years I served Uncle Sam and more

than half my life has been spent outside the USA - 23 total in Turkey,

since 1988 this trip. My ten years enlisted time was in combat arms and

unconventional warfare operations - I received a battlefield promotion

to commissioned status during my second tour in the 'Nam and my primary

branch became Military Police - my secondary became Political-Military

Officer. I might have a different perspective on international events,

human rights and Evil vs Good than some other folks might - particularly

those who I see as emotional, political extremists .. them whut leans

too far right or left - I think both extremes are comical, which is a

nice way of saying I think extremists are emotional clowns.

 

Politically I lean a bit to the right of the fence on some issues and a

bit left on others. I do my best to lean toward logic on most issues.

 

I try hard to approach life as a realist .. not seeing things as I wish

they were but rather as they really are. When I can change something, I

go for it like a bull in a china shop .. and I like living on the edge

cause boredom can kill folks. I avoid esoteric dialogue as I see it as

as a way for some who cannot or have not done anything concrete for

their

fellow men/women (but who condemn those who have acted instead of talked

as being insensitive, war-mongering heartless executors of devious plans

of the military-industrial complex) to give themselves warm fuzzies for

their efforts and alledged accomplishments. I recognize and accept that

all folks can't go out into the world - but I don't accept their talking

down to them that could and did.

 

Those who claim to sow seeds of peace and human kindness throughout the

world by writing on why we should love our neighbors are often the first

to condemn those who left their warm and safe hidey holes and went out

to touch someone .. be it in a tender and helpful manner whilst helping

some villager deliver a baby, or treating an infectious skin disease

with something as simple as Bacitracian Ointment, or by touching them

with a 7.62 MM round when they offered us flowers and then reached into

the same basket and tried to toss a grenade at us.

 

Realistic is the preacher, doctor, teacher or whatever who went to some

funky place and does hands-on training - or provides real aid and

comfort to the less fortunate. And realistic is the young soldier who

left home to do their duty in some hole like Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia,

Panama or Vietnam, and cried at night in the dark cause they didn't want

their buddies to know they were afraid .. or regretted having had to do

their duty well that day .. all the while not knowing that their buddies

were also off in the dark crying .. maybe.

 

Unrealistic are those who still hang onto youthful memories of when they

could hide their personal identity in a mass of bodies and march to

protest American involvement in a foreign war. Some still can't seem to

be able to reconcile their emotions. They dishonored the Americans who

thought differently - the young folks who went where their Commander in

Chief told them to go and did what they had to do to come back in one

piece. If the old hippies were to admit they were wrong about

protesting against the soldiers themselves instead of the war, they

would find it hard to live with themselves .. unless they came clean and

offered some apologies. Few have done that so some of us still look at

those folks with scorn and disgust!

 

The peace-loving critic often can't understand that them whuts seen war

are the most likely to want peace .. and the most realistic when it

comes to understanding that peace can not be attained with idealistic

and philosophical concepts simply because there's a thing in the world

called Evil. Those who have seen Evil up close know that you can't

negotiate with Evil agents - and know that peace is a temporary thing

that generally comes from superior firepower - a realistic but

unfortunate fact this is.

 

Writing poetry, quoting idealistic philosophy from anti-establishment

writers and claiming to be teaching the world to sing in perfect harmony

is nice but not as rewarding as the feeling of coming back alive from a

trip into an enemy-held area to bring out some hotshot who is a servant

of Satan .. or risking your own ass by dragging a wounded comrade's ass

off the battlefield in the face of enemy machineguns. But them who are

claiming to teach the world to sing say we shouldn't have been in those

folks homeland and making'em shoot at us in the first place - we shoulda

stuck flowers in their gun barrels instead of bayonets in their asses.

 

I reckon its kinda like begging the firemen to put out the fire in your

home .. then raising hell cause they ruined your new carpet with water.

Or having to wait for the bad guys to strike you at home before you can

defend yourself .. and after the defense, being criticized for being too

aggressive and then having to tolerate an investigation to see why they

were allowed to get into our homeland in the first place.

 

I know that the above is not what you expected from your question and I

admit that I used your question as a springboard to get this crap off my

chest ... cause its been bothering me a long time.

 

There's lots of Evil in the world and most of it comes from those who

are in positions of power under the guise of being governments. Rarely

do we find Evil amongst professional soldiers ... a professional enemy

soldier is far more honorable than a friendly politician. Since wild

animals don't have the capability to be good or evil, we gotta accept

that there are forces capable of acting to control the minds of men.

 

> > You know us Yankees we are a bit slow.

 

Naaa .. y'all are multi-cultured critters dealing with conflicts in your

cultural norms & values .. ;-p That's not bad, its just different. The

mixing of cultures that continues to this day in the Nawth makes you

stop and think about things longer than folks from the South. You gotta

cater to all them folk's differences and worry about being politically

correct where we can just tell it like we think it is. Us Suth'ran

folks have a commonality that is not shared any place else in America.

Them whut has studied REAL American history know whut I'm tawking about.

 

The Nawth is like a vegetable soup without a recipe .. immigrants settle

there cause they only know about New York and Chicago, etc., and have

heard that Suth'ran folks eat babies along with our grits and gravy.

;-p But us Suth'ran folks are more homogenetic as we come from a

culture of farmers who became patriots because farming became impossible

whilst we were under attack from hair-buying Redcoats, their Indian

agents and the Nawth'en invaders .. therefore, we think alike and don't

have to dwell on thoughts afore we speak. But the Mexican immigrants

find it easier to live in the South than the Nawth - says they.

 

Check out Tennessee, Kentucky and Ohio history and we'll find there was

more blood spilt from those three states prior to and following 1776 and

through the so-called Charge up San Juan Hill (though there never was

such a charge .. they went up the wrong hill ;-p) than from all the

other states combined .. and we'll see that the spirit of patriotism

that was planted in those days was shown in all the later wars this

Nation has endured - and continues today. Some try to explain the

inordinately large percentage of Suth'ran folks in uniform as Suth'ran

folk being poor and choosing military life over yesterday's grits but

that don't fly because there's just as many poor Yankees - besides,

kuntry boys can survive. ;-p

 

Come to think on it .. if there is any truth that them whut have no

other choice wear the uniform, I reckon the protests in the Vietnam era

were actually protests against social-economic differences. Most

protests were on college-campuses and I know that I wasn't in a

financial position to be able to be on one of them then - I expect I was

not alone in that regard. That deserves some further thought I reckon.

;-)

 

> Not us NYC Yankees

 

Hahahahaha .. ;-p I will admit that I have a new found respect for the

average New Yawk City street bum now .. ;-9 Those folks showed

character following the events of 11 September. I think that is one of

the things that President Bush made clear in his State of the Union

address, though there are some who misinterpret his comments as being

chauvenistic and nationalistic. Generally, only social scientists and

true patriots take the time to really think about what Americanism is ..

its not Nationalism .. its something no foreigner can understand until

they live in America ... and they begin to feel the hairs on their arms

stand up whilst listening to the National Anthem. And its something the

critics of George Bush try to twist to support predictions of doom.

 

> > He seems so beloved to y'all (I believe that is the very first time

> > I have ever used that word)

>

> Yes, he is

 

Beloved? Dang .. first time I've seen that word used to describe me. I

generally hear adjectives like .. ornary, strange, opinionated, harsh

and crude from the general public ... bully, war-monger, facist, cruel

and insensitive from the far left-leaners .. wimp, peacenik and Commie

flower child from the far right-leaners ... and purty gud ol' boy from

them whut has had need to count on me when the chips were down. ;-9

I'm a better friend when times are tough than during blue bird days

cause I don't have time to dilly-daddle and when there's nothing really

needs to be done .. I got things I need to be doing myself.

 

> > but he was away when I joined.

 

Yea .. had to travel to the USA on business and pleasure. Though I live

in Turkey, my wholesale/retail operation is in Friendsville, Maryland -

at URL http://www.AV-AT.com Had to replace a manager and move the

company to a larger facility as I had outgrown both .. they couldn't

keep up. Also had to get back into contact with myself and my spirits

and I did a great job of both. Traveled around aimlessly but with a

purpose and that is not a conflicting statement. Didn't wear a watch.

Spent a lotta time in the mountains ... slept in a cave one night.

Didn't wanna talk much and didn't most days. Tried to talk with a bobcat

once but he wasn't in a mood to talk.

 

> I'll let him tell you a little more about himself ... go for it Butch

 

I did .. but it was a lot more than a little more .. ;-p

 

> > Thank-you

> > Emryldgea

 

Welcome you are .. :-)

 

> *Smile*

 

Why smile? You put the dang monkey on my back to answer the post and

now half the folks are gonna protest me putting out all this stuff or

maybe they gonna up and resign from your list .. ;-p

 

> Chris (list mom)

> http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

 

American by birth, Suth'ran by the Grace of God, Patriot by choice.