Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Hey, all. My wife is going to be going in for a knee replacement soon. It's not scheduled yet, but we know it's coming. I want to put her on Echinacea to boost her immune system. I need to find out if there are any contraindications because she is on medication for thyroid: Levoxyl. Is there any web site where I can find out if this would be a problem? The bottle already says to stop taking it 2 weeks before surgery, so I'm on top of that. ....geminiwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 , " geminiwalker " <geminiwalker wrote: > > Hey, all. My wife is going to be going in for a knee > replacement soon. It's not scheduled yet, but we know it's > coming. > > I want to put her on Echinacea to boost her immune system. > I need to find out if there are any contraindications because > she is on medication for thyroid: Levoxyl. > > Is there any web site where I can find out if this would be a > problem? > The bottle already says to stop taking it 2 weeks before > surgery, so I'm on top of that. > > ...geminiwalker Dear Sir, In my experience, orthodox and alternative methods should never be comgined. why would you want to " replace " her knee anyway when there are so many other viable alternatives. I think the question should be, what should I take to correct the underlying condition and prevent further deterioration of the joints., For when all is said and done even with surgery, there is just so much repairing that can be done. What are we going to " replace " next and how effective would the 'replacement' be This is all allopathic medicine has to offer, cut, slash and burn. The discussion should include how to reverse and eliminate the problem rather than 'replacements'. We need to research all ourslternatives before resorting to these types of procedures. We are so gullible. We need to listen to what our bodies are telling us. There is a problem. This is evident, but this is not the way to solve it. Surgeries initially tear down our immune system and put the body under even more stress. Herbs and supplements heal, from the inside out. The condition will continue to worsen and spread to other parts of the body if it is not corrected. We need to address the problem from the standpoint of healing rather than replacements. We only have one body. We need to take care of it. Drugs are not the answer. Vitamins and herbs provide healing benefits, but do not mix well with toxic drugs. Cancer patients who have tried to combine the two usually do not succeed.Are you trying to build up her immune system? Surgery tears down the immune system. Consult with a naturopathic doctor. He will help you find the source of the problem! Cheers, JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 On 14 Jun 2006 at 4:03, JoAnn Guest wrote: > Consult with a naturopathic doctor. He > will help you find the source of the problem! > > Cheers, > JoAnn > Dear Friend, We know the source of the problem: sports injuries from when she was a youngster. Arthritis and bone spurs have gotten worse and worse over the years, she is severely knock-kneed and can does what she can with the knee now, but is in constant pain and the knee is severely swollen. She's already had bone spurs cleaned out via surgery, but was told it's no cure, and we knew that. She has very little cartilage left, if any. She rides her bike 11-15 miles every day the weather permits, and did the AIDS ride oh, say about 7 years ago. (Connecticut to NYC in three days). Not that we believe in " AIDS " anymore, but she did the ride. She's as fit as she can be -- under the circumstances. But with all the research we have done, (please don't assume we haven't, or, by the way, that I am a " sir " . Assumptions are not helpful.), replacement is what we have left. Our main concert is sepsis, and it is to that end that I thought of building her immune system -- although that might contribute to rejection of the replacement, so I'm thinking about that, too. As it is, I got some Echinacea -- but she's not taking it, since I haven't gotten any information about how it may or may not interact with the thyroid medication she is on. Again, not my idea, but our doctor's, who doesn't believe in supplements. Now that I'm taking my supplements again, though, (thanks to what the Lipitor did to me), I'm not seeing that doctor, or any doctor for that matter. She, however, needs this surgery -- just as I needed my hysterectomy. Sometimes, it's the only alternative left. ....geminiwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 , " geminiwalker " <geminiwalker wrote: > > Dear Friend, > > We know the source of the problem: sports injuries from > when she was a youngster. Arthritis and bone spurs have > gotten worse and worse over the years, she is severely > knock-kneed and can does what she can with the knee now, > but is in constant pain and the knee is severely swollen. > > She's already had bone spurs cleaned out via surgery, but > was told it's no cure, and we knew that. She has very little > cartilage left, if any. > > She rides her bike 11-15 miles every day the weather > permits, and did the AIDS ride oh, say about 7 years ago. > (Connecticut to NYC in three days). Not that we believe in > " AIDS " anymore, but she did the ride. She's as fit as she can > be -- under the circumstances. But with all the research we > have done, (please don't assume we haven't, or, by the way, > that I am a " sir " . Assumptions are not helpful.), replacement > is what we have left. > > Our main concert is sepsis, and it is to that end that I thought > of building her immune system -- although that might > contribute to rejection of the replacement, so I'm thinking > about that, too. > > As it is, I got some Echinacea -- but she's not taking it, since > I haven't gotten any information about how it may or may > not interact with the thyroid medication she is on. Again, not > my idea, but our doctor's, who doesn't believe in > supplements. Now that I'm taking my supplements again, > though, (thanks to what the Lipitor did to me), I'm not > seeing that doctor, or any doctor for that matter. > > She, however, needs this surgery -- just as I needed my > hysterectomy. Sometimes, it's the only alternative left. > ...geminiwalker > Dear Friends, I stand by my original premise that drugs, surgery and herbals should not ever be combined, and in my opinion we should research all their options before resorting to more surgical procedures. I have observed many of my family members literally just pass on into oblivion with prescription drug 'cures' and so I myself am just totally disillusioned with that approach. My purpose here is just to alert any who are seeking that there are more effective methods of dealing with disease and this includes inflammatory disease as well. I understand your concern. My husband deals with severe intermittent joint and leg pain on a daily basis as well (he is a totally recovered diabetic who occasionally strays from his diet :-)) we have found a herbal formulation for him which alleviates the pain quite well. The product is made by Jason naturals, a company which produces all natural herbal products. This cream has a combination of healing substances. Ask for Jason arthritic cream at your local health food store or perhaps you can order it online. It is the best cream for joint inflammation. I do know that capsicum creams are used for this as well, however I believe that this one with tea tree oil is superior in terms of pain management. I believe that this is the one he typically uses. http://www.jasoncosmetics.com/pain-relief.html Also I am sending you a series of articles that list a number of natural ways to alleviate arthritis. There are other options available, however a natural cure also rquires some drastic dietary changes which may be rather difficult for her to handle initially. It is usually necessary to revamp the whole diet including more organic foods and supplements. I reiterate my previous request that you consult with a natural practitioner. They are so knowledgeable in many of these areas. They have the ability to detect far more than meets the eye. For example, I have a friend who discovered that the source of her " gout " was actually her gallbladder. This is something that an allopathic doctor may not detect without a series of gruesome tests.I believe that her practitioner was a Chiropractor, however reflexology, kinesiology, and homeopathic doctors (to name a few) are all good. God Bless JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 On 16 Jun 2006 at 1:48, JoAnn Guest wrote: > I believe that her practitioner was a > Chiropractor, however reflexology, kinesiology, and homeopathic > doctors (to name a few) are all good. God Bless JoAnn > Thank you for all the time and effort you put into this. She actually sees a chiropractor, and has for years. She also has massage therapy twice a month. We're doing the best we can. ....geminiwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 , " geminiwalker " <geminiwalker wrote: > > On 16 Jun 2006 at 1:48, JoAnn Guest wrote: > > > I believe that her practitioner was a > > Chiropractor, however reflexology, kinesiology, and homeopathic > > doctors (to name a few) are all good. God Bless JoAnn > > > > Thank you for all the time and effort you put into this. She > actually sees a chiropractor, and has for years. She also has > massage therapy twice a month. > > We're doing the best we can. > > ...geminiwalker >Thanks for your response. And oh, you're entirely welcome to anything I can provide. My thoughts and prayers are with you. I would like to add that we have to be constantly on guard against the toxins in our atmosphere and food supply. We have very young family members (extended family) battling high cholesterol and other health issues and I recently was told by a teacher at my grandsons elementary school that one of the children had to have his gallbladder removed and from all her implications it was from a fast food diet so the situation is becoming much worse in my opinion. We see the media reporting that the emergency rooms are full to overflowing around the country and if we really had an epidemic of the flu (as they are daily warning of) they just couldn't cope. This is one of the reasons we need to just keep trying to improve our own situation relying less and less on the establishment for our answers. It is obvious that when and if we really really need them they will not be there for us ( for example, as in New Orleans). I would just like to say in closing that my son had numerous sports injuries as a teenager. His healing was not instantaneous however it was steady but gradual. When the immune system is in good shape we do not have to be so concerned about healing in these areas. If I were you folks I would attempt to concentrate more on building up her immune system than dealing with the specific problem. One of the very best ways to do this is to try to restore the good flora in your intestines. There are various ways that we can do this. consuming plain organic yogurt is just one however I might add that we must be careful to eat only organic ones because of the rBGH in conventional dairy. These added hormones tend to undermine our progress even further. One hindrance of trying to communicate on these lists is the limited space they offer. It becomes difficult to respond when we don't have access to all the information, so please bear with us. I'm so glad that she is under the care of a qualified alternative health professsional. There are various types of arthritis and the info varies with each type which further complicates the situation as well. Offering my sincere wishes for a fast recovery. JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 JoAnn is absolutely correct as usual. My wife and I have both had severe joint problems as a result of ski and tennis injuries in the past. Both of us would have knee replacement surgery by now if we had listened mainstream doctors and my hip joint would probably be stainless steel also. We both also had heel spurs and I had terrible arthritus in my hip and hands and neck. The hip problem was inherited and was with me from about age five. It got so bad that at age 30 that, on occasion, I could not drive a car. The cure? We took glucosame, chondroitin and MSM along with smaller quantities of other supplements. How much? We doubled the amounts of the first two on a two week basis until the pain stopped. At one point, I was taking several tablespoons of MSM a day and buying it in five pound lots. I ended up taking three or four grams each of the others at the peak. The other supplements? Four tabs of Dr. William's Joint Formulae, plus 500 mg of Acetyl L-Carnitine, L-Arginine, Taurine, & Alpha Lipoic Acid each plus colliodal minerals and four tabs of Krebs Cycle Chelates per day. In my early 50's, I went to a sports injury specialist; he told me that if I was willing to chance it, I could wear a steel reinforced brace. He fitted it and warned me that, in time, the joint would simply go. Today, I am 64 yrs old and I threw away that brace a couple of years ago. When I first used it, I would literally jump out of my leg joint and would have to refrain from tennis for weeks afterwards. At first, I simply did not take enough of the supplements. Maybe a gram a day of each. They helped, but I wore that brace for nearly ten years and, along the way, went through several terrible sciatica attacks that left me crawling and bed ridden. At the peak, I probably spent three hundred dollars a month getting well, but I no longer have joint problems. I no longer wear a knee brace to play tennis and that knee joint is as good as I can remember it ever being before the sports injuries. I believe Dr. Joel Wallach's warning that mainstream medicine will kill you and I never plan to use their services again. Today, I have cut back to more reasonable quantities of these supplements. About a year ago, I added microlactin, which has also shown good results. It I ever get even a tinge of pain, though, I begin taking more immediately. The pain gage is very accurate. You are welcome to your artifical joints, but the results of the above speak for themselves. Good luck with the surgery. , " JoAnn Guest " <angelprincessjo wrote: > > , " geminiwalker " > <geminiwalker@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > We know the source of the problem: sports injuries from > > when she was a youngster. Arthritis and bone spurs have > > gotten worse and worse over the years, she is severely > > knock-kneed and can does what she can with the knee now, > > but is in constant pain and the knee is severely swollen. > > > > She's already had bone spurs cleaned out via surgery, but > > was told it's no cure, and we knew that. She has very little > > cartilage left, if any. > > > > She rides her bike 11-15 miles every day the weather > > permits, and did the AIDS ride oh, say about 7 years ago. > > (Connecticut to NYC in three days). Not that we believe in > > " AIDS " anymore, but she did the ride. She's as fit as she can > > be -- under the circumstances. But with all the research we > > have done, (please don't assume we haven't, or, by the way, > > that I am a " sir " . Assumptions are not helpful.), replacement > > is what we have left. > > > > Our main concert is sepsis, and it is to that end that I thought > > of building her immune system -- although that might > > contribute to rejection of the replacement, so I'm thinking > > about that, too. > > > > As it is, I got some Echinacea -- but she's not taking it, since > > I haven't gotten any information about how it may or may > > not interact with the thyroid medication she is on. Again, not > > my idea, but our doctor's, who doesn't believe in > > supplements. Now that I'm taking my supplements again, > > though, (thanks to what the Lipitor did to me), I'm not > > seeing that doctor, or any doctor for that matter. > > > > She, however, needs this surgery -- just as I needed my > > hysterectomy. Sometimes, it's the only alternative left. > > ...geminiwalker > > > > Dear Friends, > > I stand by my original premise that drugs, surgery and herbals > should not ever be combined, and in my opinion we should research > all their options before resorting to more surgical procedures. > I have observed many of my family members literally just pass on > into oblivion with prescription drug 'cures' and so I myself am just > totally disillusioned with that approach. My purpose here is just to > alert any who are seeking that there are more effective methods of > dealing with disease and this includes inflammatory disease as well. > I understand your concern. My husband deals with severe intermittent > joint and leg pain on a daily basis as well (he is a totally > recovered diabetic who occasionally strays from his diet :-)) > we have found a herbal formulation for him which alleviates the > pain quite well. The product is made by Jason naturals, a company > which produces all natural herbal products. This cream has a > combination of healing substances. > Ask for Jason arthritic cream at your local health food store or > perhaps you can order it online. It is the best cream for joint > inflammation. I do know that capsicum creams are used for this as > well, however I believe that this one with tea tree oil is superior > in terms of pain management. I believe that this is the one he > typically uses. > > http://www.jasoncosmetics.com/pain-relief.html > > Also I am sending you a series of articles that list a number of > natural ways to alleviate arthritis. There are other options > available, however a natural cure also rquires some drastic dietary > changes which may be rather difficult for her to handle initially. > It is usually necessary to revamp the whole diet including more > organic foods and supplements. I reiterate my previous request that > you consult with a natural practitioner. They are so knowledgeable > in many of these areas. They have the ability to detect far more > than meets the eye. For example, I have a friend who discovered that > the source of her " gout " was actually her gallbladder. This is > something that an allopathic doctor may not detect without a series > of gruesome tests.I believe that her practitioner was a > Chiropractor, however reflexology, kinesiology, and homeopathic > doctors (to name a few) are all good. > > God Bless > JoAnn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 On 17 Jun 2006 at 1:21, Jim wrote: > The cure? We took glucosame, chondroitin and MSM along with smaller > quantities of other supplements. We have both tried glucosamine chondroitin. It upsets her stomach, and it gives me headaches. It helps the dog, but it is worse than useless for us. ....geminiwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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