Guest guest Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Downsizer Dispatch <downsizer-dispatch Sep 27, 2006 12:35 PM Good news - It's working alobar D o w n s i z e r - D i s p a t c h Your efforts are working. We may kill the warrantless spying bill. Democrats are developing some backbone. Conservative Republicans are fighting the bill too. Yesterday, we were asked to help a Republican Congressman to increase GOP defections in the House (it's not who you might think). The bottom line . . . Things have changed dramatically in the last 24 hours. The spying bill has become something of a hot potato. The House and Senate can't agree on a final version. It's possible no vote will be held before adjournment in either the House OR the Senate. That would exceed our expectations. Yesterday AM, things looked bleak for us. We were holding on to some hope we could use a procedure, such as a filibuster, to stop a vote from happening in the Senate. But stopping that vote from happening in both wings of Congress? Amazing! The post-election landscape will change. We could have divided government. If so, the bi ll dies. If not, the bill may still die as Republicans prepare for 2008 by distancing themselves from an unpopular President. It bears repeating, if no vote is held before adjournment the odds that the spying bill dies go up tremendously. And right now, it looks like no vote will be held before Congress leaves for their fall campaign break. Now we need to make the same thing happens with the tribunal/torture bill. \ http://action.downsizedc.org/wyc.php?cid=56 The dynamic is the same. The bill probably dies if no vote happens before adjournment. And this bill is becoming a hot potato too. You're helping expose the fraud behind the Warner-McCain compromise. Remember the trick they pulled . . . The Geneva Conventions Common Article 3 protections are left in place, but only the President decides what those protections mean, and no one can use the Geneva Conventions to protect themselves in the " special " tribunals this bill would create. That really is special. Bu t now, several in Congress are revolting against this trick. We must encourage them! Focus on the tribunal/torture bill today. If you haven't sent a message on this yet, do so now. If you already have, send another one. We have a real chance for a double victory, but only if we maintain the pressure. A final point: Downsize DC is transcending the partisan tribalism that has divided-and-conquered what we call the Downsizer Consensus. Most Americans want smaller government, but the partisan tribal war keeps them from getting it. So we've stepped outside that rigged and divisive game. We're joining liberals, conservatives, libertarians, and even populists together to work for our many shared values. The current campaign on these two bills is a perfect example. Please help us continue and expand this effort. Jim Babka President DownsizeDC.org, Inc. D o w n s i z e r - D i s p a t c h is the official email list of DownsizeDC.org, Inc. & Downsize DC Foundation CONTRIBUTE to the Electronic Lobbyist project http://www.DownsizeDC.org is sponsored by DownsizeDC.org, Inc. -- a non-profit educational organization promoting the ideas of individual liberty, personal responsibility, free markets, and small government. You are encouraged to forward this message to friends and business associates, and permission is hereby granted to reproduce any items herein as long as attribution is provided for articles and the subscription instructions above are included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Forgive me, but democrats never lost the " backbone " that they seem now, to be " developing. " Does it seem likely, that people " develop " backbone, in such a sudden manner? Circumstances have changed, not people, and these circumstances have allowed democrats to reveal qualities they've had all along. We're all too quick to assume that when democrats do not fight the republicans as fervently as we'd wish, it must be because they lack backbone. Then when cirumstances change, and we see the democrats act more to our liking, we conclude that they're just now, developing some courage. jp - Alobar cacklinggrackle ; ; NOLA_C3_Discussion Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:20 PM Fwd: Good news - It's working ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Downsizer Dispatch <downsizer-dispatch Sep 27, 2006 12:35 PM Good news - It's working alobar D o w n s i z e r - D i s p a t c h Your efforts are working. We may kill the warrantless spying bill. Democrats are developing some backbone. Conservative Republicans are fighting the bill too. Yesterday, we were asked to help a Republican Congressman to increase GOP defections in the House (it's not who you might think). The bottom line . . . Things have changed dramatically in the last 24 hours. (snip) Recent Activity a.. 84New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 When democrats vote to allow right wing xxxxxxs onto the Supreme Court, they have no backbone. When democrats know in their own hearts that Bush needs to be impeached, and they refuse to speak of impeachment publicaly, they lack backbone. When Democrats vote for war, for the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. act, and other really bed unconscionable legistlation, they lack backbone. " Circumstances " do not ever prohibit a person of honor freom acting in an honorable way. So I re-iterate here: Each and every senator and congressman who voted for a bxxxxxxx right wing Bush oppiontment, who ever voted to destroy civil liberties, and who does not regularly speak out against the White House is a spineless person of low moral charfacter who needs to be thrown out of office at the earliest opportunity. Alobar On 9/28/06, John Polifronio <counterpnt wrote: > Forgive me, but democrats never lost the " backbone " that they seem now, to be " developing. " Does it seem likely, that people " develop " backbone, in such a sudden manner? Circumstances have changed, not people, and these circumstances have allowed democrats to reveal qualities they've had all along. We're all too quick to assume that when democrats do not fight the republicans as fervently as we'd wish, it must be because they lack backbone. Then when cirumstances change, and we see the democrats act more to our liking, we conclude that they're just now, developing some courage. > jp > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Beleive as you wish Alobar. Circumstances exercise a much greater influcence on people than you think. Not all democrats voted in favor of bills advanced by republicans. I'll work with the democrats that resisted republiican efforts to weaken our freedoms. It does no good to complain about people that you imagine are weak or spineless. I believe people are more or less shaped by their circumstances. jp - Alobar Friday, September 29, 2006 11:56 AM Re: Fwd: Good news - It's working When democrats vote to allow right wing xxxxxxs onto the Supreme Court, they have no backbone. When democrats know in their own hearts that Bush needs to be impeached, and they refuse to speak of impeachment publicaly, they lack backbone. (snip) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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