MRSA

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I've had two patients in the last 2 years who have had a MRSA infection (not

related to acupuncture) who sought treatment for other issues. I decided

both patients were safe to treat as a result of the intake/exam and both

patients did just fine.

 

One patient had an open wound on her heel that was infected and was being

treated aggressively w/ antbx and wound-debridement by her western med

primary. I just made sure to use basic hygiene and clean needle techniques

- nothing out of the ordinary - and changed the linen's on the treatment

table and I did not needle near the infected wound site. The other patient

came to me " post " infection (I say " post " in quotes because she hadn't yet

gone back to get a final culture to see if she was cleared) and had been on

aggressive antbx therapy for several months. In her situation, there was no

open wound, but you could still see the area that was affected on her lower

leg as the area was still faintly red. I treated her, but did NOT needle

anywhere on the affected leg.

 

Both of these patients are still with me and are doing fine. There were no

complications from the acupuncture. I will point out again, that for both of

these patients, I determined they were safe to treat based on the intake and

exam. It is possible that had other circumstances been present that I would

have decided otherwise. For me, as long as I've determined they are safe to

treat, I will and then use professional judgment as to how to go about

treating.

 

Joy

 

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Board Certified in Acupuncture & Oriental Medicine

Ramona Acupuncture & Oriental Medicine Clinic

Phone: (760) 654-1040 Fax: (760) 654-4019

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Laura-

 

I also have treated a pt with active MRSA. 50 y.o male with 5 x 7 cm

boil on his shoulder. He had it lanced in an ED and was on aggressive

antibiotics as well. He came to me to pack the wound ( I am also an RN) and I

used

gentle cupping to facilitate debredment to very good effect. I always soak my

glass fire cups with no valves in a 10% bleach solution overnight after

scrubbing away gross contamination. I also did not place other needles while

undergoing doing this, and wore gloves to protect myself, changing them

frequently

before touching my lighter (clean hand-dirty hand).

 

Incidentally, as MRSA is so prevalent from gyms and schools as well as

long term nursing facilities, I always consider any skin infection as

potential MRSA, use clean needle technique and wipe my table down every night.

 

Be well,

 

Larry

 

 

 

Larry Moore

L.Ac, RN, BSN, MSOM

602-931-2529

 

 

 

 

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Larry,

 

This is great information.  What solution are you wiping your table down with?

 

Andrea Beth

 

 

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Re: MRSA

Chinese Medicine

Saturday, October 4, 2008, 5:51 PM

 

Laura-

 

I also have treated a pt with active MRSA. 50 y.o male with 5 x 7 cm

boil on his shoulder. He had it lanced in an ED and was on aggressive

antibiotics as well. He came to me to pack the wound ( I am also an RN) and I

used

gentle cupping to facilitate debredment to very good effect. I always soak my

glass fire cups with no valves in a 10% bleach solution overnight after

scrubbing away gross contamination. I also did not place other needles while

undergoing doing this, and wore gloves to protect myself, changing them

frequently

before touching my lighter (clean hand-dirty hand).

 

Incidentally, as MRSA is so prevalent from gyms and schools as well as

long term nursing facilities, I always consider any skin infection as

potential MRSA, use clean needle technique and wipe my table down every night.

 

Be well,

 

Larry

 

 

 

Larry Moore

L.Ac, RN, BSN, MSOM

602-931-2529

 

 

 

 

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My 87 year old mom is in the hospital and got MRSA. Is there any alternative

help for this? I also do not want to catch this. Any preventative care?

 

thanks

goldie

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On Dec 3, 2009, at 9:47 AM, " goldie " <SuppyZ wrote:

 

My 87 year old mom is in the hospital and got MRSA. Is there any alternative

help for this? I also do not want to catch this. Any preventative care?

 

thanks

goldie

 

 

 

 

 

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i know three things that will kill MRSA. but they won't let you use any of

them in a hospital.

1: electroherbalism. killed my sister in law's MRSA in ONE treatment. i

told her to do more treatments just to be sure, but she didn't. it was dead

anyway. an hour and a half. thing is, you need a frequency generator.

they can be expensive. www.electroherbalism.com

2: colloidal silver. my buddy chris did this. MRSA will come back once or

twice, but it will go away. it's best to buy a CS generator, but you have

to make sure you make it correctly.

3: allicin c. this is a garlic extract. garlic itself won't touch MRSA.

but they test this product against MRSA before they sell each batch.

 

 

 

 

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Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:47 AM

MRSA

 

 

> My 87 year old mom is in the hospital and got MRSA. Is there any

> alternative help for this? I also do not want to catch this. Any

> preventative care?

>

> thanks

> goldie

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[Guest guest]

I've read that honey kills MRSA. I also have used French Green Clay(which is

supposed to kill MRSA) on everything that looks like a skin infection of any

kind. It works on the first application. Make a thin paste of the clay powder

and spring water. Apply to wound. Let dry and remove with warm water on a

washcloth. It works.

 

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, goldie <SuppyZ wrote:

 

 

goldie <SuppyZ

MRSA

 

Thursday, December 3, 2009, 10:47 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

My 87 year old mom is in the hospital and got MRSA. Is there any alternative

help for this? I also do not want to catch this. Any preventative care?

 

thanks

goldie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi,

To kill MRSA, hemp/cannabis oil works. Put a drop in some lotion

and rub it in.

 

Vicki

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In a message dated 12/7/2009 8:32:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

happyplants writes:

 

Hi,

To kill MRSA, hemp/cannabis oil works. Put a drop in some lotion

and rub it in.

 

Vicki

 

 

I have the kill time studies in my silver folder on my detox/healing blog

www.lymebook.com/fight

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Petra, I treated an elderly fellow for live qi stagnation issues

who had a MRSA infected sore on his face. This sore went untreated by

his physician for almost one year. Finally he was referred to a

dermatologist, who found out I was doing acupcunture on him. He wrote

doctors orders that no acupuncture be administered to this patient on

the grounds that he felt the MRSA could be driven deeper into his

system. I consulted a physician who is an instructor in the Helms

course. He said he did not believe it was possible unless perchance I

needled deep in the moist groin areas where the bacteria count would

be very high, and even then just didn't see it as likely. MRSA

colonizes under the arms, in the belly button, the nose, and the groin

in higher concentrations. This patient went to a 2nd dermatologist,

who found he also had psueudomonas (SP?) another super bug. She said

that Psuedomonas colonizes in the webs of the fingers and that I

should not needle there. An MD friend recommended that I wash his skin

where needling with betadyne or equivalent. She also wrote orders for

no acupuncture until the sore cleared up, and then the orders were

removed.

 

I found 2 cases of death from MRSA listed under adverse effects of

acupuncture in the literature- I believe this is the reference but

cannot look it up to be sure at the moment.( Pierik M.G. Fatal

staphylococcal septicemia following acupuncture: Report of two cases

Rhode Island Med J 1982; 65: 251-3). I agree with you that we should

be talking about this. If docs can write orders against acupuncture it

seems like we should be out in front on this. If it is a real risk,

then we should be appraised and understand how we should be

approaching this situation. In addition, I picked up MRSA from him,

along with other people involved with his care, as the sore was there

for a year. It showed up as little painful sores in my nose that were

persistent (since I didn't know what it was and didn't treat it). I

enquired on this list and elsewhere, but no one responded. Infection

rates are high in elderly folks who have been in and out of hospitals

and nursing homes. I asked a college that has an intern site at a

senior center and they have not addressed the issue or have no

policies in place regarding superbugs. Last I saw over a year ago, 30%

of the US population is a MRSA carrier and many do not know. I know of

communities of native Americans where all the children in apartment

complexes are infected. Drug counselors are telling me that IV drug

users are also showing up with lots of sores...........

 

I received inadequate instructions from the dermatologists' nurse, who

told me just to get bactraban (topical prescription) and not worry

about it. She said " it is everywhere now, so.....) It colonizes in the

nose, so every time you sneeze or wipe your nose.......or cough as it

can be dispersed by the moisture droplets into the air............ I

know someone with a patient who is a nurse with a sore that does not

respond to antibiotics, but only coptis. When she stops using the

coptis, the sore reemerges. So good hygiene and washing hands with

soap is important, not the antibacterial handwashes so popular now....

they are thought to be a probable enabler of the bacteria being

resistant to antibiotics.

I believe this is an issue that is going to impact our profession in

the future. It already has for me. The first dermatologist told me he

would refuse to treat this fellow if I didn't stop doing acupuncture,

and was extremely unprofessional about it. And, knowing what I know

now, his treatment approach was completely ill advised and inadequate

on top of it all.......thank goodness my patient accepted my word that

he should see another dermatologist.

 

Laura Cooley.

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Thank you so much for your input Laura. Hearing your experience just makes me

think I don't want to give this guy acupuncture and risk getting MRSA myself. I

have two small kids in addition to a lot of patients I do not want to pass this

onto. The protocol for Ankylosing Spondilitis is a three time a week, fifteen

week course. That is too much contact. Though I probably have other patients

with it that I am completely unaware of it is still not worth it to me. It makes

me really sad that this is the case. I am seeing him today, and will just

prescribe herbs. I have had great success with herbs so I am pretty confident

that this will at least help.

 

So does anyone else have any opinions about the Ankylosing Spondilitis and

herbs? I am curious about the Psoriatic Arthritis connection as I have treated

someone with a pretty severe case very

successfully.

 

Thanks again, I really appreciate this input.

 

Petra