RE: male adult ADD

[Guest guest]

Thank you Lisa.

 

Zeb

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

please note that Jeff Castor is no longer with us (the list

I mean LOL).

 

 

 

 

 

love

 

 

Lisa de Haas

 

 

Senior Moderator

[Guest guest]

Tell it to the Mountain Irene. As

Winston Chirchill once said, (I think) “Never, Never, ….NEVER give

up.”

 

Yea!

 

Zeb

 

 

 

 

 

herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of imclark

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:08

AM

herbal remedies

RE: Herbal Remedies - male

adult ADD

 

 

 

Jeff,

 

 

 

 

 

My son was diagnosed also with ADD at the

age of six. I tried " medicine " for him which took away his

personality. No Thank YOU! He's 23 years old, still very spirited,

lovely individual. He works a full time job in an office

environment. We went with individually counseling on how to deal with him

as an individual. I did not encourage him to conform to the

" normal " standard. Ben was not " normal " , he was one

of way a kind. I do not believe in setting a standard that says you

" must " do this in order to be " normal " . Does Ben have

difficult days, yes, but he has learned HE is responsible for his decisions and

HIS behavior. He makes some mistakes, don't we all. He is willing

at the age of 23 to say I screwed up today and lost my temper and said some bad

things, but he also knows it is his responsibility to go makes amends to anyone

he might have harmed with his words.

 

 

 

 

 

In my opinion, if you came to this list to

learn about alternative methods for your " unbalanced body " then you

should be listening instead of trying to get us to believe in

" medical " methods. Very few of us on this list are interested

in the " medical " route. We've been there personally and we have

all learned that those methods will not work for us. If it's working for

you so well, why are you searching for other options.

 

 

 

 

 

In order to heal yourself both physically

and mentally, you have to give up the poisons that the doctors has offered you

for many years. If you do not believe in this option, than this is

probably the wrong list for you. You can't have it both ways in my

opinion.

 

Irene

imclark

 

 

-

Jeff Castor

herbal remedies

5/17/2005 3:48:09 PM

RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD

 

 

ADD is supposed to mean the person has a chemical imbalance of the brain which

must be corrected by a narcotic in the same classification as cocaine.

 

This is NOT True. What about Strattera? Also, Concerta, Ritalin and

Adderal are different from each other.

 

This is a scam, and theres no reason to discuss it, just search for

proof. Drugging children is a dangerous and potentially deadly

activity. It has ruined millions of lives and actually killed many

kids. The word specialist means nothing to me. I started

to live a higher quality life when I stopped assuming that

specialists and authorities who learn what they learn from

other specialists and authorities know what theyre

talking about.

 

I would have changed specialists.

 

Pull the string. Find me the scientific proof. No one needs a

poison in his body to learn better.

 

I hear youbut I find it most unfortunate that some here are so inclined to give

the finger to the medical field, that they are clearly blinded, and

unable to arrive at some form of a safe conclusion where medicine may be of

benefit for an ADDr. The only so called WORD I have heard

is Ritalin. Why must we focus on the extreme? Or is that where some

of you chose to surf?

 

 

 

 

Federal

Law requires that we warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

before using any natural remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your own physician and to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome to post here as long as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are

exactly that, and any person

following the advice of anyone posting here does

so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By

accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

the List Owner and members free of any liability.

 

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

I get such a kick out of these side effects from the commercials. You would think you feel so bad after all the side effects, you wouldn't want to take the products.

 

-

Shelby Blakely

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 5:24 PM

RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD

 

So are crack, heroin, speed and meth.

-S

 

 

 

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What about Strattera? Also, Concerta, Ritalin and Adderal are different from each other.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Jeff,

 

My son was diagnosed also with ADD at the age of six. I tried "medicine" for him which took away his personality. No Thank YOU! He's 23 years old, still very spirited, lovely individual. He works a full time job in an office environment. We went with individually counseling on how to deal with him as an individual. I did not encourage him to conform to the "normal" standard. Ben was not "normal", he was one of way a kind. I do not believe in setting a standard that says you "must" do this in order to be "normal". Does Ben have difficult days, yes, but he has learned HE is responsible for his decisions and HIS behavior. He makes some mistakes, don't we all. He is willing at the age of 23 to say I screwed up today and lost my temper and said some bad things, but he also knows it is his responsibility to go makes amends to anyone he might have harmed with his words.

 

In my opinion, if you came to this list to learn about alternative methods for your "unbalanced body" then you should be listening instead of trying to get us to believe in "medical" methods. Very few of us on this list are interested in the "medical" route. We've been there personally and we have all learned that those methods will not work for us. If it's working for you so well, why are you searching for other options.

 

In order to heal yourself both physically and mentally, you have to give up the poisons that the doctors has offered you for many years. If you do not believe in this option, than this is probably the wrong list for you. You can't have it both ways in my opinion.Ireneimclark- Jeff Castor herbal remedies Sent: 5/17/2005 3:48:09 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADDADD is supposed to mean the person has a chemical imbalance of the brain which must be corrected by a narcotic in the same classification as cocaine. This is NOT True. What about Strattera? Also, Concerta, Ritalin and Adderal are different from each other. This is a scam, and there’s no reason to discuss it, just search for proof. Drugging children is a dangerous and potentially deadly activity. It has ruined millions of lives and actually killed many kids. The word “specialist” means nothing to me. I started to live a higher quality life when I stopped assuming that “specialists” and “authorities” who learn what they learn from other “specialists” and “authorities” know what they’re talking about. I would have changed specialists. Pull the string. Find me the scientific proof. No one needs a poison in his body to learn better. I hear you…but I find it most unfortunate that some here are so inclined to give the ‘finger’ to the medical field, that they are clearly blinded, and unable to arrive at some form of a safe conclusion where medicine may be of benefit for an ADD’r. The only so called “WORD” I have heard is Ritalin. Why must we focus on the extreme? Or is that where some of you chose to surf?

[Guest guest]

herbal remedies , " Jeff Castor " <jcastor@s...>

wrote:

>What about Strattera? Also, Concerta, Ritalin and Adderal

> are different from each other.

 

*********

Indeed they are different, and they all come with their own unique

set of horrendous side-effects too. Concerta, Strattera, Ritalin can

cause liver injury/failure, Adderall can cause sudden death/stroke,

and Ritalin has been shown to cause chromosome abnormalities, which

is a good indicator of cancer capability.

 

One thing I haven't seen mentioned on this thread, is avoiding the

chemical additives that are so abundent in " conventional " foods.

Altho many people may " blame " sugar *which can be a culprit*, the

chemical additives are known to cause and/or exacerbate " add/adhd "

type symptoms too. These include the chemical sweeteners, dyes,

flavors, & preservatives that are so common in " processed " foods

marketed towards children. These additives are derived from

petroleum/coal tar (fuels), which is no wonder that they may cause a

host of kids to act like they have consumed rocket fuel. I

personally know of several kids that settled down nicely (and

actually played with their siblings, instead of constantly

bickering/fighting) after removing these chems from their diets.

(These petro additives are prohibited in organic foods.)

 

Some of these drugs have had new " black box warnings " issued on them,

and if I remember right, Canada has banned Adderall due to children's

deaths. I pulled up some of the side effects (listed below) on the

drugs you mentioned. The lists are not " all inclusive " , so they are

only indicative of " some " of the damage these drugs may cause. To

get complete listings of adverse side-effects, contact the drug

makers and request their Product Information Sheets on them.

 

Are the drugs worth the risks?

 

FWIW,

Jan (in Michigan)

 

For the drugs you mentioned:

 

Concerta:

Headache

Abdominal pain

Dry mouth

Difficulty in sleeping (insomnia)

Changes in mood

Drowsiness

Hair loss (alopecia)

Decreased appetite

Awareness of your heartbeat (palpitations)

Dizziness

Nausea and vomiting

Pain in the joints (arthralgia)

Nervousness

Rise in blood pressure

Increased heart rate

Rash or itching

Abnormal involuntary movements (twitching or tics)

Liver problems

 

Strattera:

Tell your health care provider if you:

have or had liver problems. You may need a lower dose. ·

have high blood pressure. Strattera can increase blood pressure.

have problems with your heart or an irregular heartbeat. Strattera

can increase heart rate (pulse).

have low blood pressure. Strattera can cause dizziness or fainting in

people with low blood pressure.

are trying to become pregnant, are already pregnant, or are breast-

feeding.

 

Stop taking Strattera and call your health care provider right away

if you get swelling or hives.

 

upset stomach

decreased appetite

nausea or vomiting

dizziness

tiredness

mood swings

constipation

dry mouth

nausea

decreased appetite

dizziness

problems sleeping

sexual side effects

problems urinating

menstrual cramps

 

Adderall:

Changes in sex drive, constipation, depression, diarrhea, dizziness,

dry mouth, exaggerated feelings of well-being, headache, high blood

pressure, hives, impotence, insomnia, loss of appetite, mental

disturbances, overstimulation, rapid or pounding heartbeat,

restlessness, stomach and intestinal disturbances, tremor, twitches,

unpleasant taste, weakened heart, weight loss, worsening of tics

(including Tourette's syndrome)

 

Do not use Adderall if you have any of the following conditions:

Heart disease

Hardening of the arteries

High blood pressure

High pressure in the eye (glaucoma)

Overactive thyroid gland

 

Ritalin:

· an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of the throat;

swelling of the lips, tongue, or face; or hives);

· an irregular or fast heartbeat;

· chest pains or very high blood pressure (blurred vision, severe

headache, flushing);

· unusual behavior or confusion; or

· liver damage (yellowing of the skin or eyes, nausea, abdominal pain

or discomfort, unusual bleeding or bruising, severe fatigue).

insomnia (difficulty sleeping);

· nervousness;

· drowsiness;

· dizziness;

· headache;

· blurred vision;

· tics (repetitive movements);

· abdominal pain, nausea, or vomiting;

· decreased appetite or weight loss; or

· slower weight gain and/ or growth.

[Guest guest]

So do we. LOL When we listen to them we just laugh and say ya baby

gotta have some of that. I need more headaches, constipation, rash,

nausia and whatever.

 

Linda

 

 

herbal remedies , " Dawn Hunt " <dawnhunt1@m...>

wrote:

> I get such a kick out of these side effects from the commercials. You

would think you feel so bad after all the side effects, you wouldn't

want to take the products.

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

 

please note that Jeff Castor is no longer with us (the list I mean LOL).

 

love

Lisa de Haas

Senior Moderator

 

 

-

imclark

herbal remedies

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 1:08 PM

RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD

 

Jeff,

 

My son was diagnosed also with ADD at the age of six. I tried "medicine" for him which took away his personality. No Thank YOU! He's 23 years old, still very spirited, lovely individual.