herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

May 17, 2005

Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschool

or kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. This

is when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when at

home(she does), but has so much social anxiety that they

cannot speak to/look at others that they don't know really

well. The school hasn't helped her at all, and they wanted

me to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has recommended

a child development center to see about. I am looking for

any alternatives here. At this point I have checked into

homeschooling as well. Although the anxiety affects many

other things besides just school. She will not speak in

most any social situation and it is so hard sometimes.

I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't want

her to never be able to have friends, or not be able to

speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In the

classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She actually

looks frozen..

The only things I have seen on the net are the Bach flowers

and something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know about

these? Any help or ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!

May 17, 2005

My six year old daughter is very quiet also. Does your daughter ever have one friend over, and does she play with her?

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my_3_sweet_peas

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:14 AM

Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschoolor kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. Thisis when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when athome(she does), but has so much social anxiety that theycannot speak to/look at others that they don't know reallywell. The school hasn't helped her at all, and they wantedme to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has recommendeda child development center to see about. I am looking forany alternatives here. At this point I have checked intohomeschooling as well. Although the anxiety affects manyother things besides just school. She will not speak inmost any social situation and it is so hard sometimes.I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't wanther to never be able to have friends, or not be able to speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In the classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She actuallylooks frozen.. The only things I have seen on the net are the Bach flowersand something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know about these? Any help or ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

May 17, 2005

Hi,

I totally appreciate your wish for your child not to remain this way, but honestly, the absolute worst thing you can do to her is to try to push her through this before she's ready! If everyone would just leave her alone, so that she can calm down and get her breath back, she will come out of this by herself in her own good time. It sounds to me like school is not exactly the right environment for her to be able to do this, as it sounds like she is in total fear there. I'm glad to hear you've checked out homeschooling, and I would strongly suggest that option, for her sake, and for her sanity's sake. Homeschooling will allow her the space and time needed to calm down, so that she may be able to lead a "normal" life in the future, in a secure environment, where she can be at peace. Really, just let her be. Let her do things at her own speed, what she feels comfortable with, and I'm sure that she will very gradually expand her space and contacts.

I have a 7-year old Down's Syndrome son (Jamie). He doesn't have the same problems as your daughter, but I am very familiar with allowing him his own time and space to do things. He has things he fears, and I allow him those fears. He was fine in the water when he was a toddler, until I took him for swimming lessons 2 1/2 years ago - he lasted 3 sessions and refused to go again. He hasn't been in the sea/pool since then. The teachers simply tried to push him past his fears and he wasn't comfortable with that. If she'd given him the space and time to allow him to move forward at his own pace, he would have been fine!

Jamie was at a nursery when he was 2, and was there for 1 1/2 years. He loved it! Right after the Christmas holidays, something must have happened there, and he absolutely refused to go anymore. It was so bad that he was screaming, crying, clinging to me for dear life when I tried to take him in - that had never happened before. So I allowed him to come back home with me. He refused to even go in that street again - no way was he going even near the building! For 3 months after that, Jamie stayed at home, and wouldn't even go out the door for shopping!!! Just sat inside the house for 3 months! He obviously felt very traumatized by something. After these 3 months, he started gradually going out the door again and was fine after that. I allowed him the time and space he needed to calm down from whatever it was that happened - still don't know to this day. I then homeschooled Jamie for 2 years. He then one day said he would like to go to school!! So, he's now being gradually integrated into a school, and so far he's doing great! He's absolutely loving it. He's going 5 mornings a week now.

Children of that age are simply too young to force them to confront something they're simply not ready to confront.

For your daughter's sanity sake, please do not allow anyone to medicate her, or even therapy! All she needs is love, a safe and secure environment where she can be herself, and the time and space needed to totally come to rest and peace within herself.

love

Lisa

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my_3_sweet_peas

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:14 AM

Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschoolor kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. Thisis when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when athome(she does), but has so much social anxiety that theycannot speak to/look at others that they don't know reallywell. The school hasn't helped her at all, and they wantedme to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has recommendeda child development center to see about. I am looking forany alternatives here. At this point I have checked intohomeschooling as well. Although the anxiety affects manyother things besides just school. She will not speak inmost any social situation and it is so hard sometimes.I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't wanther to never be able to have friends, or not be able to speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In the classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She actuallylooks frozen.. The only things I have seen on the net are the Bach flowersand something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know about these? Any help or ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!

May 17, 2005

I agree with Lisa. On my daughters 3rd day of school, a teacher asked me if my daughter could talk. She is just quiet. She is an only child. She likes to sit back observe, and take it all in.I get so tired of people expecting every child to be the same, and to fit into a little box.A friend of mine was all concerned because when my daughter went to her daughter's birthday party, my little one played by herself instead of with the other kids. My Caroline was perfectly happy playing by herself.My little one is finally coming out of her shell now, but she still likes to be by herself to pay quite often.

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Lisa de Haas

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:24 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi,

I totally appreciate your wish for your child not to remain this way, but honestly, the absolute worst thing you can do to her is to try to push her through this before she's ready! If everyone would just leave her alone, so that she can calm down and get her breath back, she will come out of this by herself in her own good time. It sounds to me like school is not exactly the right environment for her to be able to do this, as it sounds like she is in total fear there. I'm glad to hear you've checked out homeschooling, and I would strongly suggest that option, for her sake, and for her sanity's sake. Homeschooling will allow her the space and time needed to calm down, so that she may be able to lead a "normal" life in the future, in a secure environment, where she can be at peace. Really, just let her be. Let her do things at her own speed, what she feels comfortable with, and I'm sure that she will very gradually expand her space and contacts.

I have a 7-year old Down's Syndrome son (Jamie). He doesn't have the same problems as your daughter, but I am very familiar with allowing him his own time and space to do things. He has things he fears, and I allow him those fears. He was fine in the water when he was a toddler, until I took him for swimming lessons 2 1/2 years ago - he lasted 3 sessions and refused to go again. He hasn't been in the sea/pool since then. The teachers simply tried to push him past his fears and he wasn't comfortable with that. If she'd given him the space and time to allow him to move forward at his own pace, he would have been fine!

Jamie was at a nursery when he was 2, and was there for 1 1/2 years. He loved it! Right after the Christmas holidays, something must have happened there, and he absolutely refused to go anymore. It was so bad that he was screaming, crying, clinging to me for dear life when I tried to take him in - that had never happened before. So I allowed him to come back home with me. He refused to even go in that street again - no way was he going even near the building! For 3 months after that, Jamie stayed at home, and wouldn't even go out the door for shopping!!! Just sat inside the house for 3 months! He obviously felt very traumatized by something. After these 3 months, he started gradually going out the door again and was fine after that. I allowed him the time and space he needed to calm down from whatever it was that happened - still don't know to this day. I then homeschooled Jamie for 2 years. He then one day said he would like to go to school!! So, he's now being gradually integrated into a school, and so far he's doing great! He's absolutely loving it. He's going 5 mornings a week now.

Children of that age are simply too young to force them to confront something they're simply not ready to confront.

For your daughter's sanity sake, please do not allow anyone to medicate her, or even therapy! All she needs is love, a safe and secure environment where she can be herself, and the time and space needed to totally come to rest and peace within herself.

love

Lisa

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my_3_sweet_peas

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:14 AM

Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschoolor kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. Thisis when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when athome(she does), but has so much social anxiety that theycannot speak to/look at others that they don't know reallywell. The school hasn't helped her at all, and they wantedme to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has recommendeda child development center to see about. I am looking forany alternatives here. At this point I have checked intohomeschooling as well. Although the anxiety affects manyother things besides just school. She will not speak inmost any social situation and it is so hard sometimes.I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't wanther to never be able to have friends, or not be able to speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In the classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She actuallylooks frozen.. The only things I have seen on the net are the Bach flowersand something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know about these? Any help or ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

May 17, 2005

Hello,

got onto my hobby horse, and forgot to mention the physical handlings LOL.

She should be on the Total Nutrition supplement; homemade fresh organic diet, no sugar, no food additives, sprout the ingredients with enzyme inhibitors, etc.; good and sufficient sleep.

Here's a letter written to Doc by one of his patients, who's been educating children for well over 30 years.

love

Lisa

My dear friend Joke (pronounced Yoka) Reeder, the founder of the Mojave Academy, was the one who coined the name “Dragon Snot”* in order to create a little adventure and excitement in the taking of it for her seven year old daughter Kiki. The name stuck, then spread like wild fire totally out of my control. Here is what Joke has to say about it and how it pertains to the subject of education and raising children:

“If getting up in the morning and getting out of the house on time is a daily problem; if getting enough sleep at night and staying energetic during the day is a chore, how can you concentrate on your work and operate efficiently? The answer is, you can’t! When you run on only two cylinders, and this goes on long enough, it becomes NORMAL. You go through life handicapped and thinking that this is all you’re capable of. This is true for adults in the fast lane. It is also true for children in their daily activities.

We anxiously monitor the progress of our children; provide them with “everything”, so they’ll do well in life. But what if they’re not rested enough, run out of energy by 2PM, and can’t concentrate? What if they start thinking of themselves as not so capable? In such a condition, where they are not enough “THERE” to observe the environment and learn from it, they can’t focus, or persist on a course of studies. To the child, everyday life itself becomes a problem and an overwhelm. It goes so fast, they can’t track with it all.

The child’s solution is odd behaviour. He panics and becomes “interesting”, and gets into piercing body parts, dressing like a “Beatnik”, and doing weird things with his hair. The parents then attempt to curb the odd behaviour and all hell breaks lose.

Doc Shillington, a Naturopathic Doctor, deals with “Causes” rather than effects. When the Dragon Snot Recipe is taken every day, kids will be pumping on all cylinders. They can BE THERE during the day and can truly rest at night. Add to that SPACE and a great deal of physical activity, and a program of gradient confront, you then have a child able to take in the environment and truly LEARN.

The bottom line is that now that children can finally SEE their friends, they can learn to get along with them. Now that they can SEE nature, they can learn to appreciate and safeguard it. Now that they SEE their parents, they can truly show their love for them. Total Nutrition is essential in achieving this”.

Much love,

Joke Reeder

Total Nutrition can provide all the Vitamins and Minerals needed for the whole day. Several years ago, we increased the Spirulina and Chlorella by 50% to make it the richest, protein “green drink” on the market. It is truly a complete meal replacement. Did you know that you could live exclusively on Total Nutrition? It is that rich in nutrients and tastes great! You’re always welcome to call us for the recipe and for tips on how to get your kids drinking Dragon Snot.

Yours in love and health,

Doc Ian Shillington

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Lisa de Haas

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:24 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi,

I totally appreciate your wish for your child not to remain this way, but honestly, the absolute worst thing you can do to her is to try to push her through this before she's ready! If everyone would just leave her alone, so that she can calm down and get her breath back, she will come out of this by herself in her own good time. It sounds to me like school is not exactly the right environment for her to be able to do this, as it sounds like she is in total fear there. I'm glad to hear you've checked out homeschooling, and I would strongly suggest that option, for her sake, and for her sanity's sake. Homeschooling will allow her the space and time needed to calm down, so that she may be able to lead a "normal" life in the future, in a secure environment, where she can be at peace. Really, just let her be. Let her do things at her own speed, what she feels comfortable with, and I'm sure that she will very gradually expand her space and contacts.

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my_3_sweet_peas

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:14 AM

Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschoolor kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. Thisis when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when athome(she does), but has so much social anxiety that theycannot speak to/look at others that they don't know reallywell.

May 17, 2005

Lisa,

I am a homeschool Mom of 3 children. I would suggest taking her out of the school system amd let her learn at home. Some children are just not ready for the social enviorment of school at age 5,6 or even 10. It can be a very stressful place & apparently is for your daughter. Good for you for not medicating her.

Blessings, Sarah

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Lisa de Haas

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:24 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi,

I totally appreciate your wish for your child not to remain this way, but honestly, the absolute worst thing you can do to her is to try to push her through this before she's ready! If everyone would just leave her alone, so that she can calm down and get her breath back, she will come out of this by herself in her own good time. It sounds to me like school is not exactly the right environment for her to be able to do this, as it sounds like she is in total fear there. I'm glad to hear you've checked out homeschooling, and I would strongly suggest that option, for her sake, and for her sanity's sake. Homeschooling will allow her the space and time needed to calm down, so that she may be able to lead a "normal" life in the future, in a secure environment, where she can be at peace. Really, just let her be. Let her do things at her own speed, what she feels comfortable with, and I'm sure that she will very gradually expand her space and contacts.

I have a 7-year old Down's Syndrome son (Jamie). He doesn't have the same problems as your daughter, but I am very familiar with allowing him his own time and space to do things. He has things he fears, and I allow him those fears. He was fine in the water when he was a toddler, until I took him for swimming lessons 2 1/2 years ago - he lasted 3 sessions and refused to go again. He hasn't been in the sea/pool since then. The teachers simply tried to push him past his fears and he wasn't comfortable with that. If she'd given him the space and time to allow him to move forward at his own pace, he would have been fine!

Jamie was at a nursery when he was 2, and was there for 1 1/2 years. He loved it! Right after the Christmas holidays, something must have happened there, and he absolutely refused to go anymore. It was so bad that he was screaming, crying, clinging to me for dear life when I tried to take him in - that had never happened before. So I allowed him to come back home with me. He refused to even go in that street again - no way was he going even near the building! For 3 months after that, Jamie stayed at home, and wouldn't even go out the door for shopping!!! Just sat inside the house for 3 months! He obviously felt very traumatized by something. After these 3 months, he started gradually going out the door again and was fine after that. I allowed him the time and space he needed to calm down from whatever it was that happened - still don't know to this day. I then homeschooled Jamie for 2 years. He then one day said he would like to go to school!! So, he's now being gradually integrated into a school, and so far he's doing great! He's absolutely loving it. He's going 5 mornings a week now.

Children of that age are simply too young to force them to confront something they're simply not ready to confront.

For your daughter's sanity sake, please do not allow anyone to medicate her, or even therapy! All she needs is love, a safe and secure environment where she can be herself, and the time and space needed to totally come to rest and peace within herself.

love

Lisa

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my_3_sweet_peas

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:14 AM

Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschoolor kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. Thisis when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when athome(she does), but has so much social anxiety that theycannot speak to/look at others that they don't know reallywell. The school hasn't helped her at all, and they wantedme to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has recommendeda child development center to see about. I am looking forany alternatives here. At this point I have checked intohomeschooling as well. Although the anxiety affects manyother things besides just school. She will not speak inmost any social situation and it is so hard sometimes.I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't wanther to never be able to have friends, or not be able to speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In the classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She actuallylooks frozen.. The only things I have seen on the net are the Bach flowersand something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know about these? Any help or ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

May 17, 2005

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My little one is finally coming out of her shell now, but she still likes to be by herself to pay quite often.

we introverts often dont fit well in a very extroverted society! *grin*

we get labeled: snobs; shy; socially inept. etc....

oh well....as we grow older, we learn to accept that this is how we are endowed by our Creator and we accept ourselves even if the world cannot! *smile*

May 17, 2005

Yes, my daughter is best friends with our little neighbor girl. They play and talk

almost every day.Dawn Hunt <dawnhunt1 wrote:

My six year old daughter is very quiet also. Does your daughter ever have one friend over, and does she play with her?

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my_3_sweet_peas

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:14 AM

Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschoolor kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. Thisis when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when athome(she does), but has so much social anxiety that theycannot speak to/look at others that they don't know reallywell. The school hasn't helped her at all, and they wantedme to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has recommendeda child development center to see about. I am looking forany alternatives here. At this point I have checked intohomeschooling as well. Although the anxiety affects manyother things besides just school. She will not speak inmost any social situation and it is so hard sometimes.I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't wanther to never be able to have friends, or not be able to speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In the classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She actuallylooks frozen..

The only things I have seen on the net are the Bach flowersand something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know about these? Any help or ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List

Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian

ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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May 17, 2005

I am very outgoing myself, but my hubby and daughter are introverts. Many of my friends are introverts. When you get many introverts alone, they can really talk. My daughter goes to a private school. They want her tested for ADD. I am not putting her on meds though. My little one does everything in her own timing.I personally do not think she has ADD.She just does talsk in her own timing. My hubby is the same way. Would you all mind if I emailed you a pic of her?

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Karen Clark

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:55 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

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My little one is finally coming out of her shell now, but she still likes to be by herself to pay quite often.

we introverts often dont fit well in a very extroverted society! *grin*

we get labeled: snobs; shy; socially inept. etc....

oh well....as we grow older, we learn to accept that this is how we are endowed by our Creator and we accept ourselves even if the world cannot! *smile*

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

May 17, 2005

Age 6 is still very young in some cases.

Kids come into this life with various things happening. Birth may have

been traumatic for them, etc. My daughter was sort of born ready to rule

the world, while my son clung to me for several years and looked terrified

around strangers. There are herbs and other nutritional things that can

help, but first I want to say that schools are set up as if all kids are the

same, and they are very definitely not. “Raising” a child is

a process of orienting her to her world GRADUALLY. You have to take cues

from her as to what she’s ready to confront. If sitting in a class

with others away from home and away from you is too much, then bring her back

to where she was last doing well. Bring her home and get her winning, and

when she feels safe and in control again, gradually bring other people

over. Maybe homeschool her and bring other homeschooling families over.

Have 2 or 3 kids studying together at your house, then maybe a different

house. You may decide to just homeschool permanently, or at least through

grade school.

The point is, do what your own kid needs, rather

than follow a terrifically flawed government system. My very shy son

emerged at his own rate. I let him breastfeed till he was 5, as they

often do in other countries. By 16, he had lost all shyness and is now an

amazing leader, salesman, and performer. If I had forced things, it would

have been traumatic for all of us. My kids also slept in our kingsized

bed with us for years. Night can be scary. Why should they be alone

if they’d rather be with us? Now my kids are so awesome! I have

always let me kids tell ME when they were ready to confront more. They

always do. Kids naturally want to grow up and conquer things.

Something helpful in any situation is to

bring the child out of whatever is going on in her mind, by directing her

attention to things in the environment or actually getting busy handling

things. Plant flowers together, wash dishes, construct or create

things. Go places together. Build sandcastles. Play. Creating

art is very therapeutic. Let her express HER world.

Good communication and understanding

between the 2 of you creates a strong stability and may be the most important

factor in her life. Make sure to give her good acknowledgements and

validations for her accomplishments, advancements, and ideas, or just for being

a positive or pleasant presence, when she is. You’ll end up

with what they call a “gifted” child. Giftedness is not

hereditary; it’s created by excellent communication between the child and

her parents.

I think you should bring her home and do

nothing but have fun for awhile, till the upset of the school situation has

faded. Find the amazing individual and bring it out of her by seeing her

and acknowledging her. She has many years to get around to confronting The

World. Very often kids just pop out of unwanted mental conditions if they’re

not pushed beyond what they can handle too early.

And lastly, how much good do you think “school”

is doing for her if she’s sitting there trapped in some kind anxiety?

Anything she happens to learn will be couched in bad feelings, and that’s

not a healthy learning situation.

It’s a parent’s job first and

foremost to guide and educate a child. Don’t ever assume that “authorities”

or conventional “systems” know what is best for your child.

No one knows her like you do, and she needs to feel that you’re there for

her until she is ready to fly out of the nest on her own. These are

important years. Do whatever is necessary to bring out the very best in

her until it’s stable. Then she can build on that. And don’t

compare her to others. Each child has his or her own program of advancing

and maturing. Celebrate and strengthen the positive, and keep her smiling,

laughing, and creating. That and loving her are the most powerful things

you can do.

OK, now someone else can tell you about

cal/mag, lemon egg, lobelia, and various other herbs and dietary help. J

Best of luck!

Carole

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:14 AM

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Herbal Remedies - herbal

remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschool

or kindergarten. They say she has selective

mutism. This

is when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine

when at

home(she does), but has so much social anxiety

that they

cannot speak to/look at others that they don't

know really

well. The school hasn't helped her at all, and

they wanted

me to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has

recommended

a child development center to see about. I am

looking for

any alternatives here. At this point I have

checked into

homeschooling as well. Although the anxiety

affects many

other things besides just school. She will not

speak in

most any social situation and it is so hard

sometimes.

I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't

want

her to never be able to have friends, or not be

able to

speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In

the

classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She

actually

looks frozen..

The only things I have seen on the net are the

Bach flowers

and something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know

about

these? Any help or ideas will be

appreciated. Thanks!

Federal Law

requires that we warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

before using any natural remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your own physician and to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome to post here as long as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are

exactly that, and any person

following the advice of anyone posting here does

so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting

advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

the List Owner and members free of any liability.

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

May 17, 2005

Beautiful, Lisa!

Your son is so lucky to have you!

Carole

herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Lisa de Haas

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:25 AM

To:

herbal remedies

Re: Herbal Remedies -

herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi,

I totally appreciate your wish for your child not to remain

this way, but honestly, the absolute worst thing you can do to her is to try to

push her through this before she's ready! If everyone would just leave her

alone, so that she can calm down and get her breath back, she will come out of

this by herself in her own good time. It sounds to me like school is not

exactly the right environment for her to be able to do this, as it sounds like

she is in total fear there. I'm glad to hear you've checked out homeschooling,

and I would strongly suggest that option, for her sake, and for her sanity's

sake. Homeschooling will allow her the space and time needed to calm down, so

that she may be able to lead a " normal " life in the future, in a

secure environment, where she can be at peace. Really, just let her be. Let her

do things at her own speed, what she feels comfortable with, and I'm sure that

she will very gradually expand her space and contacts.

I have a 7-year old Down's Syndrome son (Jamie). He doesn't have the same problems as your

daughter, but I am very familiar with allowing him his own time and space to do

things. He has things he fears, and I allow him those fears. He was fine

in the water when he was a toddler, until I took him for swimming lessons 2 1/2

years ago - he lasted 3 sessions and refused to go again. He hasn't been in the

sea/pool since then. The teachers simply tried to push him past his fears and

he wasn't comfortable with that. If she'd given him the space and time to allow

him to move forward at his own pace, he would have been fine!

Jamie was at

a nursery when he was 2, and was there for 1 1/2 years. He loved it! Right

after the Christmas holidays, something must have happened there, and he

absolutely refused to go anymore. It was so bad that he was screaming, crying,

clinging to me for dear life when I tried to take him in - that had never

happened before. So I allowed him to come back home with me. He refused to

even go in that street again - no way was he going even near the building! For

3 months after that, Jamie stayed at

home, and wouldn't even go out the door for shopping!!! Just sat inside the

house for 3 months! He obviously felt very traumatized by something. After

these 3 months, he started gradually going out the door again and was fine

after that. I allowed him the time and space he needed to calm down from

whatever it was that happened - still don't know to this day. I then

homeschooled Jamie for 2 years. He

then one day said he would like to go to school!! So, he's now being gradually

integrated into a school, and so far he's doing great! He's absolutely loving

it. He's going 5 mornings a week now.

Children of that age are simply too young to force them to

confront something they're simply not ready to confront.

For your daughter's sanity sake, please do not allow anyone

to medicate her, or even therapy! All she needs is love, a safe and secure

environment where she can be herself, and the time and space needed to totally

come to rest and peace within herself.

love

Lisa

-

my_3_sweet_peas

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:14 AM

Herbal Remedies -

herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschool

or kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. This

is when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when at

home(she does), but has so much social anxiety that they

cannot speak to/look at others that they don't know really

well. The school hasn't helped her at all, and they wanted

me to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has recommended

a child development center to see about. I am looking for

any alternatives here. At this point I have checked into

homeschooling as well. Although the anxiety affects many

other things besides just school. She will not speak in

most any social situation and it is so hard sometimes.

I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't want

her to never be able to have friends, or not be able to

speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In the

classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She actually

looks frozen..

The only things I have seen on the net are the Bach flowers

and something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know about

these? Any help or ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!

Federal

Law requires that we warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

before using any natural remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your own physician and to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome to post here as long as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are

exactly that, and any person

following the advice of anyone posting here does

so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By

accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

the List Owner and members free of any liability.

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

May 17, 2005

My 8 year old daughter was a VERY shy girl. She would hide behind the

trees and not go into school for kindergarten. We also were considering

homeschool. Guess What. She is a Social Butterfly now, very open to

making new friends and always has something to talk about. Many of you

that have been in this group with me for a while have heard me call her

my spirited child, and that for sure is what she is. So dont fret

yourself too much, hon. Give your little butterfly a chance to spread

her wings and you will see.

Hugs

Deana

:-)

May 17, 2005

Does your daughter like school?

-

Tina Crowe

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:57 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Yes, my daughter is best friends with our little neighbor girl. They play and talk

almost every day.Dawn Hunt <dawnhunt1 wrote:

My six year old daughter is very quiet also. Does your daughter ever have one friend over, and does she play with her?

-

my_3_sweet_peas

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:14 AM

Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschoolor kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. Thisis when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when athome(she does), but has so much social anxiety that theycannot speak to/look at others that they don't know reallywell. The school hasn't helped her at all, and they wantedme to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has recommendeda child development center to see about. I am looking forany alternatives here. At this point I have checked intohomeschooling as well. Although the anxiety affects manyother things besides just school. She will not speak inmost any social situation and it is so hard sometimes.I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't wanther to never be able to have friends, or not be able to speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In the classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She actuallylooks frozen.. The only things I have seen on the net are the Bach flowersand something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know about these? Any help or ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

Mail MobileTake Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

May 17, 2005

Dawn, why don't you post a pic on the website photo album?

love

Lisa

-

Dawn Hunt

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:16 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

I am very outgoing myself, but my hubby and daughter are introverts. Many of my friends are introverts. When you get many introverts alone, they can really talk. My daughter goes to a private school. They want her tested for ADD. I am not putting her on meds though. My little one does everything in her own timing.I personally do not think she has ADD.She just does talsk in her own timing. My hubby is the same way. Would you all mind if I emailed you a pic of her?

May 17, 2005

Thanks Carole :-)

love

Lisa

-

Carole Eddington

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:59 PM

RE: Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Beautiful, Lisa! Your son is so lucky to have you!

Carole

herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Lisa de HaasTuesday, May 17, 2005 3:25 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi,

I totally appreciate your wish for your child not to remain this way, but honestly, the absolute worst thing you can do to her is to try to push her through this before she's ready!

May 17, 2005

She does like some things about school. That is why the decision on what to

to is so hard. She talks about her friends all the time, and even says that she

would be happier if she could talk to them.Dawn Hunt <dawnhunt1 wrote:

Does your daughter like school?

-

Tina Crowe

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:57 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Yes, my daughter is best friends with our little neighbor girl. They play and talk

almost every day.Dawn Hunt <dawnhunt1 wrote:

My six year old daughter is very quiet also. Does your daughter ever have one friend over, and does she play with her?

-

my_3_sweet_peas

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:14 AM

Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschoolor kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. Thisis when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when athome(she does), but has so much social anxiety that theycannot speak to/look at others that they don't know reallywell. The school hasn't helped her at all, and they wantedme to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has recommendeda child development center to see about. I am looking forany alternatives here. At this point I have checked intohomeschooling as well. Although the anxiety affects manyother things besides just school. She will not speak inmost any social situation and it is so hard sometimes.I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't wanther to never be able to have friends, or not be able to speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In the classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She actuallylooks frozen..

The only things I have seen on the net are the Bach flowersand something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know about these? Any help or ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List

Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian

ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

Mail MobileTake Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any

liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of

NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

May 17, 2005

Those are all horor stories about your children. I just think I am dreaming nightmare. I am so glad I cam here with grown up children, and I would keep my eye on my grandson. NO ONE IS GOING TO DRUG HIM because his personality doesn't fit to someone idea about perfect child.

Look around and see why children from other countries are doing better in school than some american children even they have to learn english first. Because they are not fed junk food and drugs from the month 0 of their lives.

regards

jasminaTina Crowe <my_3_sweet_peas wrote:

She does like some things about school. That is why the decision on what to

to is so hard. She talks about her friends all the time, and even says that she

would be happier if she could talk to them.Dawn Hunt <dawnhunt1 wrote:

Does your daughter like school?

-

Tina Crowe

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:57 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Yes, my daughter is best friends with our little neighbor girl. They play and talk

almost every day.Dawn Hunt <dawnhunt1 wrote:

My six year old daughter is very quiet also. Does your daughter ever have one friend over, and does she play with her?

-

my_3_sweet_peas

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:14 AM

Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschoolor kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. Thisis when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when athome(she does), but has so much social anxiety that theycannot speak to/look at others that they don't know reallywell. The school hasn't helped her at all, and they wantedme to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has recommendeda child development center to see about. I am looking forany alternatives here. At this point I have checked intohomeschooling as well. Although the anxiety affects manyother things besides just school. She will not speak inmost any social situation and it is so hard sometimes.I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't wanther to never be able to have friends, or not be able to speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In the classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She actuallylooks frozen..

The only things I have seen on the net are the Bach flowersand something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know about these? Any help or ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List

Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian

ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

Mail MobileTake Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any

liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of

NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability.

Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

May 17, 2005

Tina, I wish you lived near me so our daughters could play together.I am getting Caroline tested for ADD per the school's request. I am not medicating her though.

-

Tina Crowe

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:55 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

She does like some things about school. That is why the decision on what to

to is so hard. She talks about her friends all the time, and even says that she

would be happier if she could talk to them.Dawn Hunt <dawnhunt1 wrote:

Does your daughter like school?

-

Tina Crowe

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:57 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Yes, my daughter is best friends with our little neighbor girl. They play and talk

almost every day.Dawn Hunt <dawnhunt1 wrote:

My six year old daughter is very quiet also. Does your daughter ever have one friend over, and does she play with her?

-

my_3_sweet_peas

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:14 AM

Herbal Remedies - herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschoolor kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. Thisis when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when athome(she does), but has so much social anxiety that theycannot speak to/look at others that they don't know reallywell. The school hasn't helped her at all, and they wantedme to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has recommendeda child development center to see about. I am looking forany alternatives here. At this point I have checked intohomeschooling as well. Although the anxiety affects manyother things besides just school. She will not speak inmost any social situation and it is so hard sometimes.I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't wanther to never be able to have friends, or not be able to speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In the classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She actuallylooks frozen.. The only things I have seen on the net are the Bach flowersand something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know about these? Any help or ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

Mail MobileTake Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

May 18, 2005

Hello,

My 12 year old dd also has selective mutism. She attended public

school for kindergarden and first grade. All in all this was very

stressful for her. She did manage to find her various comfort zones,

but any change in the normal daily routine would totally through her

off. And it took her several weeks just to get her used to going.

She would cry every morning, it breaks my heart to think about it

now, I wish I had not put her through all of that.

I have homeschooled her for the last 5 years. What a blessing that

has been to both of us! At first I felt like I should get her

involved in other things, social type things, but that was a dismal

failure. Looking back on it I realize that she just needed some time

to " come off " of the whole school experience. I backed off and we

just did our thing here at home. I didn't think she would ever be a

part of any kind of classes or group activites and I was worried

about that, but I didn't push. Well after about a year she stared

showing an interest in doing other things. She took an art class,

she joined the children's choir at church, and she took ballet

lessons. These were all things of her choosing, not things that I

pushed her into. She really enjoyed these activites. She met some

new friends and she even performed at the church and with her ballet

class. And she was offered a scholarship to a prestigious ballet

school! I never would have thought that that would have happened.

She still does have her struggles. Talking with new people is very

difficult. And I can't get her to join in the middle school

activites at our church. But that's okay. I know that she will do

these things when she is ready. And maybe she will never join the

middle school activities (I actually had someone tell me that I

should force her, even take her kicking and screaming!). Not all

kids like those kinds of group things. Looking back to my childhood I

remember that I didn't like them either. I turned out allright and

so will she.

The message here is that she had to take on the world at her own

pace. When allowed to do that she does just fine. People suggested

therapy and medicene, but I never wanted anyone " playing " with her

mind. Yes, things are sometimes difficult for her, but should we

medicate all of the difficulties out of our lives? I don't think

so. It's these things that mold us and shape us and make us who we

are. I want her to be who she really is and not some zombie walking

around.

By the way, she has used the Bach flowers before stressful situations

and they do help in calming her down. They seem to take away

the " deer in the headlights " look she gets when she is really nervous.

I hope this helps!

Linda

herbal remedies , " my_3_sweet_peas "

<my_3_sweet_peas> wrote:

> Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschool

> or kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. This

> is when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when at

> home(she does), but has so much social anxiety that they

> cannot speak to/look at others that they don't know really

> well. The school hasn't helped her at all, and they wanted

> me to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has recommended

> a child development center to see about. I am looking for

> any alternatives here. At this point I have checked into

> homeschooling as well. Although the anxiety affects many

> other things besides just school. She will not speak in

> most any social situation and it is so hard sometimes.

> I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't want

> her to never be able to have friends, or not be able to

> speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In the

> classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She actually

> looks frozen..

> The only things I have seen on the net are the Bach flowers

> and something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know about

> these? Any help or ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!

May 18, 2005

So glad I had a reply from someone who understands the SM. It makes me want to cry

when I think someone else truly understands. I was also very shy, as was my dh. I am

still not into all the "social" things so much. They actually had my dd in speech and

sp.ed. classes (not sp.ed. outside the normal classroom), and I just recently terminated

this as well as her IEP. School will be out in a couple days and I have ordered homeschool

materials. It is a scary venture! I only have one worry, and that is the future. I say this

because I have been to SM message boards where adults with SM say that they wish

someone would have treated/helped them because they still have severe SM and have

no life whatsoever. They say they will never marry, couldn't finish college, etc. This

scares me quite a bit. I will say in closing that one of the main reasons I rejected

the antidepressants is because I myself have taken them in the past. I don't want her

to experience those "flat" emotions, less inhibition, and the withdrawal was unbelievable

for me. Also, thanks for the answer on the Bach flowers helping!

Tinaltyler62000 <LTyler6 wrote:

Hello,My 12 year old dd also has selective mutism. She attended public school for kindergarden and first grade. All in all this was very stressful for her. She did manage to find her various comfort zones, but any change in the normal daily routine would totally through her off. And it took her several weeks just to get her used to going. She would cry every morning, it breaks my heart to think about it now, I wish I had not put her through all of that.I have homeschooled her for the last 5 years. What a blessing that has been to both of us! At first I felt like I should get her involved in other things, social type things, but that was a dismal failure. Looking back on it I realize that she just needed some time to "come off" of the whole school experience. I backed off

and we just did our thing here at home. I didn't think she would ever be a part of any kind of classes or group activites and I was worried about that, but I didn't push. Well after about a year she stared showing an interest in doing other things. She took an art class, she joined the children's choir at church, and she took ballet lessons. These were all things of her choosing, not things that I pushed her into. She really enjoyed these activites. She met some new friends and she even performed at the church and with her ballet class. And she was offered a scholarship to a prestigious ballet school! I never would have thought that that would have happened.She still does have her struggles. Talking with new people is very difficult. And I can't get her to join in the middle school activites at our church. But that's okay. I know that she will do these

things when she is ready. And maybe she will never join the middle school activities (I actually had someone tell me that I should force her, even take her kicking and screaming!). Not all kids like those kinds of group things. Looking back to my childhood I remember that I didn't like them either. I turned out allright and so will she.The message here is that she had to take on the world at her own pace. When allowed to do that she does just fine. People suggested therapy and medicene, but I never wanted anyone "playing" with her mind. Yes, things are sometimes difficult for her, but should we medicate all of the difficulties out of our lives? I don't think so. It's these things that mold us and shape us and make us who we are. I want her to be who she really is and not some zombie walking around.By the way, she has used the Bach flowers before stressful situations

and they do help in calming her down. They seem to take away the "deer in the headlights" look she gets when she is really nervous.I hope this helps!Lindaherbal remedies , "my_3_sweet_peas" <my_3_sweet_peas> wrote:> Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschool> or kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. This> is when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when at> home(she does), but has so much social anxiety that they> cannot speak to/look at others that they don't know really> well. The school hasn't helped her at all, and they wanted> me to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has recommended> a child development center to see about. I am looking for> any alternatives here. At this point I have checked into> homeschooling as well. Although the anxiety affects many> other things besides

just school. She will not speak in> most any social situation and it is so hard sometimes.> I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't want> her to never be able to have friends, or not be able to > speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In the > classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She actually> looks frozen.. > The only things I have seen on the net are the Bach flowers> and something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know about > these? Any help or ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to

post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

May 18, 2005

Thank you for sharing this. I really agree with

The message here is that she had to take on the world at her own pace.

That is wonderful you could homeschool her. It sounds like that was best for her.

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ltyler62000

herbal remedies

Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:40 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hello,My 12 year old dd also has selective mutism. She attended public school for kindergarden and first grade. All in all this was very stressful for her. She did manage to find her various comfort zones, but any change in the normal daily routine would totally through her off. And it took her several weeks just to get her used to going. She would cry every morning, it breaks my heart to think about it now, I wish I had not put her through all of that.I have homeschooled her for the last 5 years. What a blessing that has been to both of us! At first I felt like I should get her involved in other things, social type things, but that was a dismal failure. Looking back on it I realize that she just needed some time to "come off" of the whole school experience. I backed off and we just did our thing here at home. I didn't think she would ever be a part of any kind of classes or group activites and I was worried about that, but I didn't push. Well after about a year she stared showing an interest in doing other things. She took an art class, she joined the children's choir at church, and she took ballet lessons. These were all things of her choosing, not things that I pushed her into. She really enjoyed these activites. She met some new friends and she even performed at the church and with her ballet class. And she was offered a scholarship to a prestigious ballet school! I never would have thought that that would have happened.She still does have her struggles. Talking with new people is very difficult. And I can't get her to join in the middle school activites at our church. But that's okay. I know that she will do these things when she is ready. And maybe she will never join the middle school activities (I actually had someone tell me that I should force her, even take her kicking and screaming!). Not all kids like those kinds of group things. Looking back to my childhood I remember that I didn't like them either. I turned out allright and so will she.The message here is that she had to take on the world at her own pace. When allowed to do that she does just fine. People suggested therapy and medicene, but I never wanted anyone "playing" with her mind. Yes, things are sometimes difficult for her, but should we medicate all of the difficulties out of our lives? I don't think so. It's these things that mold us and shape us and make us who we are. I want her to be who she really is and not some zombie walking around.By the way, she has used the Bach flowers before stressful situations and they do help in calming her down. They seem to take away the "deer in the headlights" look she gets when she is really nervous.I hope this helps!Lindaherbal remedies , "my_3_sweet_peas" <my_3_sweet_peas> wrote:> Hi, My 6 year old dd has not spoken throughout preschool> or kindergarten. They say she has selective mutism. This> is when the child speaks and acts perfectly fine when at> home(she does), but has so much social anxiety that they> cannot speak to/look at others that they don't know really> well. The school hasn't helped her at all, and they wanted> me to put her on prozac. Her pediatrician has recommended> a child development center to see about. I am looking for> any alternatives here. At this point I have checked into> homeschooling as well. Although the anxiety affects many> other things besides just school. She will not speak in> most any social situation and it is so hard sometimes.> I do not want my child on prozac, but I also don't want> her to never be able to have friends, or not be able to > speak to anyone besides her immediate family. In the > classroom she looks disabled by her anxiety. She actually> looks frozen.. > The only things I have seen on the net are the Bach flowers> and something called Clarocet jr. Does anyone know about > these? Any help or ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

May 18, 2005

Hello Tina,

When I first started homeschooling my son, I was petrified! I felt like I had no idea what I was doing. I'm pretty well schooled myself, but how the heck did I teach my son?? Where to start? At what pace? etc.. Well, I found that my son indicated his own pace, and has his own ideas of what he wanted to learn when. So I just followed him. I discovered this is what most people do, and very successfully too!! Do a search on the web for "unschooling" and you'll get some really good ideas. Check out www.thehomeschoolmom.com, there's some good stuff on there. And what I found most helpful was to connect up with other homeschoolers in my area - you're not alone then, and can support each other! After about a year I felt so well experienced with the homeschooling that it became a lot of fun. I thoroughly enjoyed the time we had together and if it had been up to me, I would have liked to continue homeschooling, but my son decided he wanted to go to school. I hear a lot about the incredible bonding that parents and children do when homeschooling, and experienced it myself.

From the articles that I read in our homeschooling magazine, this start-up fear is extremely common - all mums talk about it! And all of them are very thankful that they bit the bullet and did it anyhow!

You're quite welcome to email me privately, or to the group, for any moral or other support you need :-) I think you made the bestest decision you could, and are heading for a lovely adventure with your daughter :-)

love

Lisa

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Tina Crowe

herbal remedies

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:00 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

School will be out in a couple days and I have ordered homeschool

materials. It is a scary venture! I only have one worry, and that is the future.

May 18, 2005

Linda, how lucky your daughter is to have you!!! Sounds great!

love

Lisa

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ltyler62000

herbal remedies

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:40 AM

Herbal Remedies - Re: herbal remedies for anxiety/shy children

Hello,My 12 year old dd also has selective mutism. She attended public school for kindergarden and first grade. All in all this was very stressful for her.

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