Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Wow! Have you read any other posts on any other subject? Like watching children be given street drug speed outside your door isn't bad enough that they now do it in the very place you send them to be safe and create their future. School!!!. Did you know that there is no, and I mean NO, difference chemically between the street drug speed and Ritalin. Ritalin is what they give the kids who have ADD. They give them smaller doses as this creates a lack of " speed " in small amounts. So the drugging of our nations and neighbors, and our own children is not cause for a witch hunt! Jeff, you simply need to confront those who prescribe you your drugs, you simply need to open your eyes. Who told you that you had ADD?? Ask them a thing or two about the drug your taking, heck, do a google search about the drugs your taking and add " side effects " or " about " and read what they have you on. Then and only then post back on this subject. " The " Just Say No To Drugs " campaign was aimed at discouraging children from experimenting with dangerous and addictive drugs such as amphetamine and Ritalin. Our society viewed with loathing those who " pushed " stimulant drugs on children. Yet today there are more children taking Ritalin and amphetamine from doctors than ever received them from the illegal pushers. Furthermore, the ready availability of prescribed stimulants had led to their increasing illegal use by children and youth. What has happened to our society's values? How can we be so blind to the implications of the widespread prescribing of stimulants? Does a drug become " safe " simply because it is prescribed by a doctor? Does " pushing " drugs on children become legitimate simply because it is done by drug manufacturers? You want a real eye opener? Click this: http://www.ritalindeath.com/ Jeff please take 1 minute out of your distracted day and research what you advocate. This May seem harsh but I have nothing but scorn for those who don't do anything about it, especially when it's brought to their faces and they still refuse to DO anything. That's just me personally. If this is over the top for posting I shall not do so again in this fashion but I don't think so, someone has to draw the line, I stand with the millions who have, where do you stand? Zeb I personally feel that some of this group have nothing better to do then set out on a witch hunt, which is based purely on their opinion and not FACT. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Carole, Flo, Shelby & possibly others, You seem so insistent that there is no such thing as ADD. What grounds do you base this on? I believe I am living proof of ADD, and also display some of the secondary components of ADD. Why single out ADD and not other disorders which also can be affected by hormones or chemical imbalances? I personally feel that some of this group have nothing better to do then set out on a witch hunt, which is based purely on their opinion and not FACT. Jeff ___________ herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Carole Eddington Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:01 AM herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD Good points, Shelby! ___________ herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Shelby Blakely Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:52 AM herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD Do you act different when on heroin or cocaine? No offense, but you are a public school teacher. The mass-schooling environment is so boring that I can't blame him for failing to pay attention. It's not the kid, it's where he is. I'm sure he can watch a movie the whole way through and I'm sure he can play video games for hours on end. -Shelby herbal remedies [herbal remedies ]On Behalf Of Allison Delello Monday, May 16, 2005 12:46 PM herbal remedies Re: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD As a teacher, I have an ADD student - and his behavior is considerably different when he is on his medication and when he is not. When he is not, he is off the walls, cannot stay on task on the current subject or topic, etc. However when he is on medication, he acts very much like the rest of his classmates. Allison -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Jeff, please don't feel attacked. Have you read Doc's article on it in the files? My son has ADD symptoms, and from all the information I have gathered, a malnutrition cause in his case ties everything together for me. He was born with a bowel deformity and for his first 6 months of his life was very ill until he was finally diagnosed. By that time his colon was the size of a football; we nearly lost him. The next 2 months he had a colostomy, and at 8 months he had the affected portion of bowel removed. For the next 4 years we struggled with constipation issues, and he still has trouble staying regular (but I haven't tried Doc's formula yet-I just found the group a couple months ago) So with all the bowel trouble we've had... I can't write off the fact that I am sure he has had trouble absorbing the needed nutrients. Not to mention his diet is less than perfect, lol. (He's 10.)(His diet is another thing I plan to remedy when school lets out in 2 weeks!) Anyway, my point is just try to be open-minded and see what information you can gather on the subject. Wouldn't it be wonderful if, by tweaking your diet a bit, your symptoms could be alleviated? That's what I'm shooting for! And speaking of such, I plan to go gung-ho on figuring out what my son needs this summer to alleviate his symptoms... any suggestions? He is still on his pharma meds (with no visible side effects or he wouldn't be on them!) just to get him through the school year (if he's not on them during school, he's up out of his seat numerous times, can't focus on what he's supposed to be working on, won't stop talking, interrupts the teacher by blurting out unrelated comments while she's teaching, etc.). I currently give him 1 tsp flax oil morning and evening (mixed with maple syrup). Other suggestions, besides total nutrition? I've heard the Omega 3 fatty acids are beneficial; my problem is finding them in pill form small enough for him to swallow (as I mentioned, he's 10). 7 full and 4 half days of school to go, and counting! lol Thanks! Tracy in Ohio herbal remedies , " Jeff Castor " <jcastor@s...> wrote: > Carole, Flo, Shelby & possibly others, > > You seem so insistent that there is no such thing as ADD. What grounds do > you base this on? I believe I am living proof of ADD, and also display some > of the secondary components of ADD. > > Why single out ADD and not other disorders which also can be affected by > hormones or chemical imbalances? > > I personally feel that some of this group have nothing better to do then set > out on a witch hunt, which is based purely on their opinion and not FACT. > > Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Hello Jeff, Please also read Doc's article in the files: The Myth & The Mystery: http://health.herbal remediesArticles/ No one is saying that the SYMPTOMS are not real, just that there is no such Syndrome. There is no such thing as a "chemical imbalance of the brain". For starters, no one knows the balance of the brain as it should be, so how can they know when it's not? Also, as there are NO physical tests ever to determine this, how can someone say it's due to imbalance?? One thing you need to understand: psychiatry, who have come up with this "disease" by voting it into existence (true!), are NOT physicians, and have NO knowledge nor training on the biology of a human body. Them therefore saying that there is an imbalance in the brain is totally ridiculous: 1. they have never physically tested nor determined this, and 2. they have no knowledge to be able to determine this. There is NO scientific basis to this statement whatsoever. The SYMPTOMS of ADD however can be only too real, there is no disputing that. But, like with any symptoms, you have to determine the true cause of them to be able to terminatedly heal them. Labelling these symptoms ADD does nothing to help you find the true cause, nor to heal them. Allopathic medicine only allows you to "manage" the "disease" and not in a very good way at that - it does not allow you to HEAL/CURE yourself. That is what is being cautioned against here. Just look at the SYMPTOMS without trying to label, and find the true cause. Once you know the cause, you can deal with them and cure them. Of course, you always have the power of choice, and if you choose to believe that you have ADD, and follow the allopathic guidance in this, then that is your choice. But then I don't think this list is the place for you. Your choice... love Lisa - Jeff Castor herbal remedies Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:45 AM RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- Carole, Flo, Shelby & possibly others,You seem so insistent that there is no such thing as ADD. What grounds doyou base this on? I believe I am living proof of ADD, and also display someof the secondary components of ADD.Why single out ADD and not other disorders which also can be affected byhormones or chemical imbalances?I personally feel that some of this group have nothing better to do then setout on a witch hunt, which is based purely on their opinion and not FACT.Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 I understand where you are coming from. My brother and son both have been diagnosed with ADD. Before the medicine my son couldn't stay on task for anything. When he was a small child if another child took a toy from him the let them. He couldn't comprehend some of the simplest things. My son gets overloaded and couldn't even tell you what a bird was. He couldn't tell you that a bird had feathers or even that the bird could fly. Since he is on the lowest possible dose of medicine he can sit an play a video game for more than 2 minutes. I know that most people don't understand how this works but I do understand that it does exist as I have living proof under my nose. My brother on the other hand can't stay in one place for more than 1 hour. He also doesn't read or write well. Please don't think that it is too much sugar as we don't have sugary items on hand. My son currently has a job and even has trouble at times staying on task with the medicine. Work is understanding and it really helps, but without the medicine I don't know where he would be. > [Original Message] > Jeff Castor <jcastor > <herbal remedies > > 5/17/2005 5:46:16 AM > RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- > > Carole, Flo, Shelby & possibly others, > > You seem so insistent that there is no such thing as ADD. What grounds do > you base this on? I believe I am living proof of ADD, and also display some > of the secondary components of ADD. > > Why single out ADD and not other disorders which also can be affected by > hormones or chemical imbalances? > > I personally feel that some of this group have nothing better to do then set > out on a witch hunt, which is based purely on their opinion and not FACT. > > Jeff > > > ___________ > herbal remedies > [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Carole Eddington > Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:01 AM > herbal remedies > RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD > > Good points, Shelby! > > ___________ > herbal remedies > [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Shelby Blakely > Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:52 AM > herbal remedies > RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD > > Do you act different when on heroin or cocaine? > No offense, but you are a public school teacher. The mass-schooling > environment is so boring that I can't blame him for failing to pay > attention. It's not the kid, it's where he is. I'm sure he can watch a movie > the whole way through and I'm sure he can play video games for hours on end. > -Shelby > > herbal remedies > [herbal remedies ]On Behalf Of Allison Delello > Monday, May 16, 2005 12:46 PM > herbal remedies > Re: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD > > As a teacher, I have an ADD student - and his behavior is > considerably different when he is on his medication and when he is not. > When he is not, he is off the walls, cannot stay on task on the current > subject or topic, etc. However when he is on medication, he acts very > much like the rest of his classmates. > > Allison > > > -- > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 > > > -- > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Lisa, My comments are offered after your statements below: > > Please also read Doc's article in the files: The Myth & The Mystery: http://health.herbal remediesArticles/ > > No one is saying that the SYMPTOMS are not real, just that there is no such Syndrome. This is your opinion. My opinio is that ADD is a disorder, not a syndrome. ---- There is no such thing as a " chemical imbalance of the brain " . This is also your opinion. ---- For starters, no one knows the balance of the brain as it should be, so how can they know when it's not? Also, as there are NO physical tests ever to determine this, how can someone say it's due to imbalance?? Just because you say there is no way to measure chemical imbalances, does this mean that chemical imbalances do not exist? ---- One thing you need to understand: psychiatry, who have come up with this " disease " by voting it into existence (true!), are NOT physicians, and have NO knowledge nor training on the biology of a human body. This is not a true statement. Most of the individuals who dictate what is placed in the MMPI are psychiatrists, whom are physicians and who have attended medical school, and have been schooled right along with General Practioners. ---- Them therefore saying that there is an imbalance in the brain is totally ridiculous: 1. they have never physically tested nor determined this, and 2. they have no knowledge to be able to determine this. There is NO scientific basis to this statement whatsoever. Do you believe there is such a thing as PMS? Anxiety Disorder? Depression? ---- > > The SYMPTOMS of ADD however can be only too real, there is no disputing that. But, like with any symptoms, you have to determine the true cause of them to be able to terminatedly heal them. Labelling these symptoms ADD does nothing to help you find the true cause, nor to heal them. Allopathic medicine only allows you to " manage " the " disease " and not in a very good way at that - it does not allow you to HEAL/CURE yourself. That is what is being cautioned against here. This is your opinion. I feel there must be a meeting of the minds, where stereotyping of the medicinal field is left behind. The black & white thinking of herbal vs modern medicine gains no one anything. ---- > > Just look at the SYMPTOMS without trying to label, and find the true cause. Once you know the cause, you can deal with them and cure them. > > Of course, you always have the power of choice, and if you choose to believe that you have ADD, and follow the allopathic guidance in this, then that is your choice. But then I don't think this list is the place for you. Your choice... I read no where on the website, where those that believe in the benefits of herbs, yet do not feel that herbs are the only answer...do not belong on this list. ---- Thanks, Jeff > > love > Lisa > - > Jeff Castor > herbal remedies > Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:45 AM > RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- > > > Carole, Flo, Shelby & possibly others, > > You seem so insistent that there is no such thing as ADD. What grounds do > you base this on? I believe I am living proof of ADD, and also display some > of the secondary components of ADD. > > Why single out ADD and not other disorders which also can be affected by > hormones or chemical imbalances? > > I personally feel that some of this group have nothing better to do then set > out on a witch hunt, which is based purely on their opinion and not FACT. > > Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 WOW Zeb, Where I went to school, it isn’t much different now then back then as far as what drugs were available. Also, I agree that Ritalin is a “legal speed”, but I do not think we need to project that all “street speed” is Ritalin. There are differences. I appreciate your concerns as I am equally concerned with any form of speed. My eyes are wide open Zeb. I know I have classical signs of ADD. You can call it whatever you like. “ABC”? There are labels which are often associated with a known group of symptoms. I have those symptoms. I feel I need to ask you the question…”Who ever said or implied that I take Ritalin”? I do not believe that I did. I did not say that I advocate drugs either. I did say that one is entitled to their own opinions which initially was designed for a post that never made it to the list. My initial post was directed at a post which Carole posted yesterday. I feel differently, I actually disagree on 4 statements which were in Carole’s post: ADD-There’s no such thing. That “disorder” was invented by psychiatrists in order to sell drugs If someone labeled you with that, just forget it. There is no such disease as Attention Deficit Disorder, period. I feel this is sharp language, and perhaps she should be expressing her thoughts as an opinion, rather than in a form of a statement. Also, several of my posts have not appeared on the list. If they were to have appeared, you would have been more informed (Zeb) on how I feel on this subject. Jeff Wow! Have you read any other posts on any other subject? Like watching children be given street drug speed outside your door isn’t bad enough that they now do it in the very place you send them to be safe and create their future. School!!!. Did you know that there is no, and I mean NO, difference chemically between the street drug speed and Ritalin. Ritalin is what they give the kids who have ADD. They give them smaller doses as this creates a lack of “speed” in small amounts. So the drugging of our nations and neighbors, and our own children is not cause for a witch hunt! Jeff, you simply need to confront those who prescribe you your drugs, you simply need to open your eyes. Who told you that you had ADD?? Ask them a thing or two about the drug your taking, heck, do a google search about the drugs your taking and add “side effects” or “about” and read what they have you on. Then and only then post back on this subject. " The " Just Say No To Drugs " campaign was aimed at discouraging children from experimenting with dangerous and addictive drugs such as amphetamine and Ritalin. Our society viewed with loathing those who " pushed " stimulant drugs on children. Yet today there are more children taking Ritalin and amphetamine from doctors than ever received them from the illegal pushers. Furthermore, the ready availability of prescribed stimulants had led to their increasing illegal use by children and youth. What has happened to our society's values? How can we be so blind to the implications of the widespread prescribing of stimulants? Does a drug become " safe " simply because it is prescribed by a doctor? Does " pushing " drugs on children become legitimate simply because it is done by drug manufacturers? You want a real eye opener? Click this: HYPERLINK " http://www.ritalindeath.com/ " http://www.ritalindeath.com/ Jeff please take 1 minute out of your distracted day and research what you advocate. This May seem harsh but I have nothing but scorn for those who don’t do anything about it, especially when it’s brought to their faces and they still refuse to DO anything. That’s just me personally. If this is over the top for posting I shall not do so again in this fashion but I don’t think so, someone has to draw the line, I stand with the millions who have, where do you stand? Zeb I personally feel that some of this group have nothing better to do then set out on a witch hunt, which is based purely on their opinion and not FACT. Jeff -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 I am also " living proof " of ADD. But guess, what. I control mine by diet. The closer me and my " ADHD " son get to processed sugar, the worse we get. I am currently a history major in college (which requires long periods of reading) and my 5-year-old son has the memory of an elephant. Any questions? -Shelby > > herbal remedies > [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Jeff Castor > Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:45 AM > herbal remedies > RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- > > Carole, Flo, Shelby & possibly others, > > You seem so insistent that there is no such thing as ADD. What grounds do > you base this on? I believe I am living proof of ADD, and also display > some of the secondary components of ADD. > > Why single out ADD and not other disorders which also can be affected by > hormones or chemical imbalances? > > I personally feel that some of this group have nothing better to do then > set out on a witch hunt, which is based purely on their opinion and not > FACT. > > Jeff > > > > -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 I am involved in research concerning brain injury. It sounds like your brother and son have some problems in this area. I also know of methods to fix such problems. My son would have been labeled as high-functioning autistic without these methods, but we caught them early. If you would like more information I can send you some. -Shelby herbal remedies [herbal remedies ]On Behalf Of RICHARD L HOHLER Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:54 AM herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- I understand where you are coming from. My brother and son both have been diagnosed with ADD. Before the medicine my son couldn't stay on task for anything. When he was a small child if another child took a toy from him the let them. He couldn't comprehend some of the simplest things. My son gets overloaded and couldn't even tell you what a bird was. He couldn't tell you that a bird had feathers or even that the bird could fly. Since he is on the lowest possible dose of medicine he can sit an play a video game for more than 2 minutes. I know that most people don't understand how this works but I do understand that it does exist as I have living proof under my nose. My brother on the other hand can't stay in one place for more than 1 hour. He also doesn't read or write well. Please don't think that it is too much sugar as we don't have sugary items on hand. My son currently has a job and even has trouble at times staying on task with the medicine. Work is understanding and it really helps, but without the medicine I don't know where he would be. -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 You should read the book, " Little Sugar Addicts " , by Kathleen DesMaisons. It changed my and my son's life. Sherry > > herbal remedies > [herbal remedies ] > Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:35 PM > herbal remedies > RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- > > I am also " living proof " of ADD. But guess, what. I control mine by diet. > The closer me and my " ADHD " son get to processed sugar, the worse we get. > I am currently a history major in college (which requires long periods of > reading) and my 5-year-old son has the memory of an elephant. > Any questions? > -Shelby > > > herbal remedies > [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Jeff Castor > Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:45 AM > herbal remedies > RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- > > Carole, Flo, Shelby & possibly others, > > You seem so insistent that there is no such thing as ADD. What > grounds do you base this on? I believe I am living proof of ADD, and also > display some of the secondary components of ADD. > > Why single out ADD and not other disorders which also can be > affected by hormones or chemical imbalances? > > I personally feel that some of this group have nothing better to do > then set out on a witch hunt, which is based purely on their opinion and > not FACT. > > Jeff > > > > > -- > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 On the contrary, Jeff, if you really investigate the FACTS and pull the string on who came up with these various " disorders " (not just ADD) and how, you will find a lot of lies and opinions and vested interests and a complete LACK of anything scientific to back them up. I personally don't " sit around " and do anything. I've been studying this subject for many years, and I've donated hundreds of dollars to help fight the crimes and fraud of the psychiatric/pharmaceutical industry. There have been many TV and radio shows over the years where psychiatrists were confronted to provide scientific data to prove the existence of chemical imbalances in the brain warranting labels like ADD, ADHD, and bipolar syndrome. They seem to talk intelligently, but they can provide nothing scientific, and when forced to, they have actually gotten up and left the studio!! So don't take our word for it, investigate yourself. I challenge you to see if you can find even one study done on someone's physical BRAIN. They keep talking about the brain, but it's just talk. It's not like tests done for brain tumors or bloodwork or CATscans or anything. Someone invented a list of behavior characteristics and gave it a label. Then they had a harmful drug formulated that would seem to help but then not, so the person would then need a higher dosage or additional or stronger drug, etc. It guarantees patients for life! They make BILLIONS from selling these poisons. The list of characteristics for an ADHD child is practically identical to the characteristics describing a gifted child. So they end up drugging the artists and potential leaders into complacency. They do no TESTS, you see? They just adjudicate that because a kid doesn't want to sit still, he has a CHEMICAL IMBALANCE OF THE BRAIN! That's just plain criminal! There are many fine people and organizations and people in government who are now aware of these lies, and as a result, hundreds of psychiatrists around the world have been prosecuted, hundreds of psychiatric hospitals have been closed down, and all the antidepressant drugs are now in question. You may have noticed articles about this and changes in the way they are advertised. Gotta go! Carole ___________ herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Jeff Castor Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:45 AM herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- Carole, Flo, Shelby & possibly others, You seem so insistent that there is no such thing as ADD. What grounds do you base this on? I believe I am living proof of ADD, and also display some of the secondary components of ADD. Why single out ADD and not other disorders which also can be affected by hormones or chemical imbalances? I personally feel that some of this group have nothing better to do then set out on a witch hunt, which is based purely on their opinion and not FACT. Jeff ___________ herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Carole Eddington Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:01 AM herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD Good points, Shelby! ___________ herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Shelby Blakely Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:52 AM herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD Do you act different when on heroin or cocaine? No offense, but you are a public school teacher. The mass-schooling environment is so boring that I can't blame him for failing to pay attention. It's not the kid, it's where he is. I'm sure he can watch a movie the whole way through and I'm sure he can play video games for hours on end. -Shelby herbal remedies [herbal remedies ]On Behalf Of Allison Delello Monday, May 16, 2005 12:46 PM herbal remedies Re: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD As a teacher, I have an ADD student - and his behavior is considerably different when he is on his medication and when he is not. When he is not, he is off the walls, cannot stay on task on the current subject or topic, etc. However when he is on medication, he acts very much like the rest of his classmates. Allison -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Shelby, I also do my best to control my ADD symptoms with proper nutrition and supplementation. No doubt, processed sugar is a curse. Being a diabetic, I keep my distance from it as well. Jeff ___________ herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Shelby Blakely Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:35 PM herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- I am also " living proof " of ADD. But guess, what. I control mine by diet. The closer me and my " ADHD " son get to processed sugar, the worse we get. I am currently a history major in college (which requires long periods of reading) and my 5-year-old son has the memory of an elephant. Any questions? -Shelby herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Jeff Castor Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:45 AM herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- Carole, Flo, Shelby & possibly others, You seem so insistent that there is no such thing as ADD. What grounds do you base this on? I believe I am living proof of ADD, and also display some of the secondary components of ADD. Why single out ADD and not other disorders which also can be affected by hormones or chemical imbalances? I personally feel that some of this group have nothing better to do then set out on a witch hunt, which is based purely on their opinion and not FACT. Jeff -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 But Shelby, do you really think you have a chemical imbalance of the brain? And if you do, don't you think you should find proof of that? Carole ___________ herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Shelby Blakely Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:35 PM herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- I am also " living proof " of ADD. But guess, what. I control mine by diet. The closer me and my " ADHD " son get to processed sugar, the worse we get. I am currently a history major in college (which requires long periods of reading) and my 5-year-old son has the memory of an elephant. Any questions? -Shelby herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Jeff Castor Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:45 AM herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- Carole, Flo, Shelby & possibly others, You seem so insistent that there is no such thing as ADD. What grounds do you base this on? I believe I am living proof of ADD, and also display some of the secondary components of ADD. Why single out ADD and not other disorders which also can be affected by hormones or chemical imbalances? I personally feel that some of this group have nothing better to do then set out on a witch hunt, which is based purely on their opinion and not FACT. Jeff -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Carole…I thank you for your opinion. However, I am also entitled to mine, which also has years of research behind it. Thanks! Jeff ___________ herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Carole Eddington Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:24 PM herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- On the contrary, Jeff, if you really investigate the FACTS and pull the string on who came up with these various “disorders” (not just ADD) and how, you will find a lot of lies and opinions and vested interests and a complete LACK of anything scientific to back them up. I personally don’t “sit around” and do anything. I’ve been studying this subject for many years, and I’ve donated hundreds of dollars to help fight the crimes and fraud of the psychiatric/pharmaceutical industry. There have been many TV and radio shows over the years where psychiatrists were confronted to provide scientific data to prove the existence of chemical imbalances in the brain warranting labels like ADD, ADHD, and bipolar syndrome. They seem to talk intelligently, but they can provide nothing scientific, and when forced to, they have actually gotten up and left the studio!! So don’t take our word for it, investigate yourself. I challenge you to see if you can find even one study done on someone’s physical BRAIN. They keep talking about the brain, but it’s just talk. It’s not like tests done for brain tumors or bloodwork or CATscans or anything. Someone invented a list of behavior characteristics and gave it a label. Then they had a harmful drug formulated that would seem to help but then not, so the person would then need a higher dosage or additional or stronger drug, etc. It guarantees patients for life! They make BILLIONS from selling these poisons. The list of characteristics for an ADHD child is practically identical to the characteristics describing a gifted child. So they end up drugging the artists and potential leaders into complacency. They do no TESTS, you see? They just adjudicate that because a kid doesn’t want to sit still, he has a CHEMICAL IMBALANCE OF THE BRAIN! That’s just plain criminal! There are many fine people and organizations and people in government who are now aware of these lies, and as a result, hundreds of psychiatrists around the world have been prosecuted, hundreds of psychiatric hospitals have been closed down, and all the antidepressant drugs are now in question. You may have noticed articles about this and changes in the way they are advertised. Gotta go! Carole ___________ herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Jeff Castor Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:45 AM herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- Carole, Flo, Shelby & possibly others, You seem so insistent that there is no such thing as ADD. What grounds do you base this on? I believe I am living proof of ADD, and also display some of the secondary components of ADD. Why single out ADD and not other disorders which also can be affected by hormones or chemical imbalances? I personally feel that some of this group have nothing better to do then set out on a witch hunt, which is based purely on their opinion and not FACT. Jeff ___________ herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Carole Eddington Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:01 AM herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD Good points, Shelby! ___________ herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Shelby Blakely Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:52 AM herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD Do you act different when on heroin or cocaine? No offense, but you are a public school teacher. The mass-schooling environment is so boring that I can't blame him for failing to pay attention. It's not the kid, it's where he is. I'm sure he can watch a movie the whole way through and I'm sure he can play video games for hours on end. -Shelby herbal remedies [herbal remedies ]On Behalf Of Allison Delello Monday, May 16, 2005 12:46 PM herbal remedies Re: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD As a teacher, I have an ADD student - and his behavior is considerably different when he is on his medication and when he is not. When he is not, he is off the walls, cannot stay on task on the current subject or topic, etc. However when he is on medication, he acts very much like the rest of his classmates. Allison -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Good for you!. I don't have the diabetic strike against me, though I do have problems with yeast. It makes me crave sugar... -Shelby > > herbal remedies > [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Jeff Castor > Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:52 AM > herbal remedies > RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- > > Shelby, > I also do my best to control my ADD symptoms with proper nutrition and > supplementation. No doubt, processed sugar is a curse. Being a diabetic, > I keep my distance from it as well. > Jeff > > ___________ > herbal remedies > [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Shelby Blakely > Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:35 PM > herbal remedies > RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- > > I am also " living proof " of ADD. But guess, what. I control mine by diet. > The closer me and my " ADHD " son get to processed sugar, the worse we get. > I am currently a history major in college (which requires long periods of > reading) and my 5-year-old son has the memory of an elephant. > Any questions? > -Shelby > > > -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 To what end? I am sane and can dictate my own actions. To fix such an imbalance would require the same things I am doing now and I do not see the point in labeling the problem. Why should I give those who would harm me with drugs a reason to do so? I can tell you that I " caught " ADD from a vaccine reaction. -Shelby > > herbal remedies > [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Carole Eddington > Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:56 AM > herbal remedies > RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- > > But Shelby, do you really think you have a chemical imbalance of the > brain? And if you do, don’t you think you should find proof of that? > > Carole > > ___________ > herbal remedies > [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Shelby Blakely > Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:35 PM > herbal remedies > RE: Herbal Remedies - male adult ADD- > > I am also " living proof " of ADD. But guess, what. I control mine by diet. > The closer me and my " ADHD " son get to processed sugar, the worse we get. > I am currently a history major in college (which requires long periods of > reading) and my 5-year-old son has the memory of an elephant. > Any questions? > -Shelby > > > -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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