Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Dear all, Some of us have dedicated our lives to seeing others be free from the insanities that prevail in these times of growth and expansion for every country around the world. On this planet there are those who have done more research than others. There are those who prefer to let others decide for them what is best. This is their choice. This list is about learning. About our bodies, what goes in and what the effects are. This list is about health and betterment on a physical and mental level. There is no intention to be hard headed or even " mean " towards others. In my case I sometimes feel the need to " pound " home a point forgetting that I often hate this very method delivered to myself. I prefer someone pointing out something and asking me to do a little looking into. Anyone who knows me well understands that I will now research it until I honestly feel I have both sides of what ever the story is. I have done this with ADD and in my enthusiasm to reach others with this I tend to tromp on others feelings and or beliefs. I am really not about that. But after reading the posts I see I've done just that. I apologize for those (Jeff and Allison) I have clubbed over the head inadvertently if this is how you feel. Attacking is not always what it seems. The person whose hair is on fire may not like the people shoving their head under water or pounding their head to get the fire out. I taught at a private school specifically designed for kids who did not fit into the school system but who' parents absolutely refused to put them on drugs. Yes these children are a bit rough Allison. Agreed! But these are the same ranks of children whom produced people like Benjamin Franklin who were kicked out of school after only two years because of symptoms described as ADD. So you see researching these things brings about new data and more viewpoints. I'm not sorry that I may have offended someone for I know that sometimes this has been necessary for me to really say. " Well I'm gonna check this out myself and tell him off " only to find that I'm thankuing the person. Still I don't like being handled with a heavy hand even then. So you there we have it. Sincerely, Zeb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 I see. Thank you for the data Jeff. I went off on the drug side when you weren't going that way. Got it! But if you pull the string hard and long enough you will find that it was indeed invented by the psychiatrists so that they had a legal basis of infiltrating the school system and backed by the pharmaceuticals they could get a good racket going. Sounds horrible, is, but sounds so bad that it can't be true. Sorry to say it is. That's its earliest point in history, from psychiatrists. Thank you for your post. Straightened that out for me on what you were talking about. Very anti drug group here, LOL. Zeb p.s. don't know about the other posts, if this persists pm off list and I'll look into it further. Zeb, I have done my research, and most of it pertains to the holistic approach. I have no idea where you feel that I advocate drugs. Perhaps because I stated that I believe ADD exists, and that there should be a meeting of the minds between holistic medicine and modern medicine, you were offended? If so I apologize, as it was not intended to upset anyone. -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Zeb, I have done my research, and most of it pertains to the holistic approach. I have no idea where you feel that I advocate drugs. Perhaps because I stated that I believe ADD exists, and that there should be a meeting of the minds between holistic medicine and modern medicine, you were offended? If so I apologize, as it was not intended to upset anyone. It has been difficult from my perspective to dissect what is being posted as only one of my 6 posts have made it to the list. The first two did not, the third did, and nothing since. Jeff _____ herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Zeb Monday, May 16, 2005 12:53 PM herbal remedies Herbal Remedies - ADD - Over the top Dear all, Some of us have dedicated our lives to seeing others be free from the insanities that prevail in these times of growth and expansion for every country around the world. On this planet there are those who have done more research than others. There are those who prefer to let others decide for them what is best. This is their choice. This list is about learning. About our bodies, what goes in and what the effects are. This list is about health and betterment on a physical and mental level. There is no intention to be hard headed or even “mean” towards others. In my case I sometimes feel the need to “pound” home a point forgetting that I often hate this very method delivered to myself. I prefer someone pointing out something and asking me to do a little looking into. Anyone who knows me well understands that I will now research it until I honestly feel I have both sides of what ever the story is. I have done this with ADD and in my enthusiasm to reach others with this I tend to tromp on others feelings and or beliefs. I am really not about that. But after reading the posts I see I’ve done just that. I apologize for those (Jeff and Allison) I have clubbed over the head inadvertently if this is how you feel. Attacking is not always what it seems. The person whose hair is on fire may not like the people shoving their head under water or pounding their head to get the fire out. I taught at a private school specifically designed for kids who did not fit into the school system but who’ parents absolutely refused to put them on drugs. Yes these children are a bit rough Allison. Agreed! But these are the same ranks of children whom produced people like Benjamin Franklin who were kicked out of school after only two years because of symptoms described as ADD. So you see researching these things brings about new data and more viewpoints. I’m not sorry that I may have offended someone for I know that sometimes this has been necessary for me to really say. “Well I’m gonna check this out myself and tell him off” only to find that I’m thankuing the person. Still I don’t like being handled with a heavy hand even then. So you there we have it. Sincerely, Zeb -- Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Well said, Zeb! Thanks! Carole _____ herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Zeb Monday, May 16, 2005 11:53 AM herbal remedies Herbal Remedies - ADD - Over the top Dear all, Some of us have dedicated our lives to seeing others be free from the insanities that prevail in these times of growth and expansion for every country around the world. On this planet there are those who have done more research than others. There are those who prefer to let others decide for them what is best. This is their choice. This list is about learning. About our bodies, what goes in and what the effects are. This list is about health and betterment on a physical and mental level. There is no intention to be hard headed or even " mean " towards others. In my case I sometimes feel the need to " pound " home a point forgetting that I often hate this very method delivered to myself. I prefer someone pointing out something and asking me to do a little looking into. Anyone who knows me well understands that I will now research it until I honestly feel I have both sides of what ever the story is. I have done this with ADD and in my enthusiasm to reach others with this I tend to tromp on others feelings and or beliefs. I am really not about that. But after reading the posts I see I've done just that. I apologize for those (Jeff and Allison) I have clubbed over the head inadvertently if this is how you feel. Attacking is not always what it seems. The person whose hair is on fire may not like the people shoving their head under water or pounding their head to get the fire out. I taught at a private school specifically designed for kids who did not fit into the school system but who' parents absolutely refused to put them on drugs. Yes these children are a bit rough Allison. Agreed! But these are the same ranks of children whom produced people like Benjamin Franklin who were kicked out of school after only two years because of symptoms described as ADD. So you see researching these things brings about new data and more viewpoints. I'm not sorry that I may have offended someone for I know that sometimes this has been necessary for me to really say. " Well I'm gonna check this out myself and tell him off " only to find that I'm thankuing the person. Still I don't like being handled with a heavy hand even then. So you there we have it. Sincerely, Zeb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Jeff- I think Zeb was reacting in general to ADD and what modern medicine does to 'manage' these symptoms (drugs). Don't take it personally. It is often frustrating working in the natural healing realm because of all the false presumptions people have about their bodies and healing. I am a part-time herbalist/natural healer but most of my time is focused on education. Educating people, who for years just believe the status quo, and take what their doctors say as gospel. Or that if the FDA approved a drug it must be safe. Education is key and it is often frustrating that so many people are un-educated about this stuff. (I am not blaming anyone or accusing anyone of anything.) When someone knows the truth about natural healing and how powerful and extremely effective it is, then runs into people who think herbs are good but you should listen to your medical doctor and do what he/she say first, it creates quite a difficult situation. Herbal medicine and natural healing are most effective when you treat the entire body and not go directly after symptoms.....whether I help someone with asthma, allergies, heart problems, or intestinal problems 95% of the methods are the same....myself or the herbs are not healing them.....what they are doing is giving the body a chance to heal itself. Once this is realized, natural healing becomes very simple and easy. As an herbalist I am not searching for some exotic herb that can help with migraine headaches, I am searching for more profound ways to let people know that if you put your body back into balance those migraines will go away. Comparing and integrating modern medicine with natural healing is difficult because one goes directly after the symptoms and the other tries to put the body back into balance with nature to let the body do the work. One believes the human body is flawed and the other believes the human body just needs a fighting chance to show its perfection. Here is my favorite analogy. It has to do with the high and low tides of a coastal area ( bear with me). When the tide is high there are no rocks showing. The rocks exist but the water level is too high for them to show themselves. As the water level is lowered the rocks begin to pop up in different areas. Now my analogy is the rocks are someone's genetic/environmental predisposition to a disease. Everyone's different. The water level is your health. As you lower the water (your health) different rocks (health problems) start showing up. For some it is heart disease, for some it is asthma, for some it is ADD. Everyone has rocks that show up at different depths. My family has a history of heart disease. About 6 years ago, I was not leading a very healthy lifestyle. I would get chest pains all the time. Also I was sick every 3 weeks or so....Stress was high and nutrition was low. I decided to make a change. It took some time but I progressed and consequently I haven't been sick in a couple of years. My heart feels great. If I had continued down my previous path, no doubt my heart troubles would have persisted and I would continue to get sick. If I had found the herbal remedies group and Doc Shillington earlier my problems would have disappeared much sooner, but everyone has their own path in life. The methods Doc preaches are so simple yet effective and it makes so much sense. A typical starting path for someone, depending on how sick they are, is too complete Doc's 2 week intestinal cleanse. Then continue on the Total Nutrition (morning nutritional drink) indefinitely. Also the hot cold showers. The only things I do on a daily basis are the Total Nutrition and hot cold showers. I occasionally throw in a fresh juiced fruit mixture. That's it....I have been doing the total nutrition for 2 years and it is wonderful. That and the hot/cold showers really give me an energy boost and probably the reason I don't get sick anymore..... I hope the tone of this email isn't harsh. I know how you feel and there are many others like you. But this list was created by Doc to try to help people see that there is a different way, a way that is much easier and fulfilling. I feel there is nothing more satisfying than taking your health into your own hands. This is something that anyone can do but few realize (though more and more are).... Take care and I hope you find a healing path suited for you. If I can help in anyway email me wither on list or off. Rob herbal remedies [herbal remedies ]On Behalf Of Jeff CastorTuesday, May 17, 2005 1:10 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - ADD - Over the top Zeb, I have done my research, and most of it pertains to the holistic approach. I have no idea where you feel that I advocate drugs. Perhaps because I stated that I believe ADD exists, and that there should be a meeting of the minds between holistic medicine and modern medicine, you were offended? If so I apologize, as it was not intended to upset anyone. It has been difficult from my perspective to dissect what is being posted as only one of my 6 posts have made it to the list. The first two did not, the third did, and nothing since. Jeff herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of ZebSent: Monday, May 16, 2005 12:53 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - ADD - Over the top Dear all, Some of us have dedicated our lives to seeing others be free from the insanities that prevail in these times of growth and expansion for every country around the world. On this planet there are those who have done more research than others. There are those who prefer to let others decide for them what is best. This is their choice. This list is about learning. About our bodies, what goes in and what the effects are. This list is about health and betterment on a physical and mental level. There is no intention to be hard headed or even “mean” towards others. In my case I sometimes feel the need to “pound” home a point forgetting that I often hate this very method delivered to myself. I prefer someone pointing out something and asking me to do a little looking into. Anyone who knows me well understands that I will now research it until I honestly feel I have both sides of what ever the story is. I have done this with ADD and in my enthusiasm to reach others with this I tend to tromp on others feelings and or beliefs. I am really not about that. But after reading the posts I see I’ve done just that. I apologize for those (Jeff and Allison) I have clubbed over the head inadvertently if this is how you feel. Attacking is not always what it seems. The person whose hair is on fire may not like the people shoving their head under water or pounding their head to get the fire out. I taught at a private school specifically designed for kids who did not fit into the school system but who’ parents absolutely refused to put them on drugs. Yes these children are a bit rough Allison. Agreed! But these are the same ranks of children whom produced people like Benjamin Franklin who were kicked out of school after only two years because of symptoms described as ADD. So you see researching these things brings about new data and more viewpoints. I’m not sorry that I may have offended someone for I know that sometimes this has been necessary for me to really say. “Well I’m gonna check this out myself and tell him off” only to find that I’m thankuing the person. Still I don’t like being handled with a heavy hand even then. So you there we have it. Sincerely, Zeb --Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release 5/16/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.