Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Is a very interesing thing. Yes, it is very addictive and its on the top of the list of how tough it is to wean off it. Heroine is number 2. I saw that list in a scientific magazine. But Nicotine is very interesing. I have studied it. Few know what I know. Nicotine attach itself to the dopamine-receptors in the brain, so what happens is that the brain make more dopamine (endorphine, anyone? our happiness-hormone). So because of that, nicotine is an anti-depressiva. I also heard from someone that the brain make new neurotransmitters in the brain when one use nicotine. And that its why its so difficult to quit with it because the brain have to figure out what to do with all the new neurotransmitters. I dont know if its true but I will search untill I find that info, because the lady who told me that, also saw it in a scientific report. Nicotine is also the best parasite-killer that exists. A few nature-therapeuts use tobacco-tincture when nothing else works. Lobelia do have lobeline (sp?) (I think it was lobeline, I am writing this from memory) and it does the same thing as nicotine. Attach itself to the dopamine-receptors. And thats why you should not use lobelia and smoke at same time. People say they get sick and throw up. Like when one get too much nicotine in the system. W9 herbal remedies , " Monchello Androshi " <warlocke_rising> wrote: > > anyway GOOD LUCK! i hope you succeed!it really is an adiction > worst than heroin im told,maybe just as equal atleast. > > androshi` > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Hi W9, check out Doc's writing on Lobelia, to find out why people get sick and throw up :-) This is NOT because they smoke. love Lisa - walkyria9 herbal remedies Monday, July 04, 2005 10:38 AM Herbal Remedies - Nicotine Lobelia do have lobeline (sp?) (I think it was lobeline, I am writingthis from memory) and it does the same thing as nicotine. Attachitself to the dopamine-receptors. And thats why you should not uselobelia and smoke at same time. People say they get sick and throw up.Like when one get too much nicotine in the system.W9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 I know this...Ive read more about lobelia than only Doc's files. One day I am going to have more knowledge than any naturopaths in this world. Because I have studied this since I was 24....14 years. W9 herbal remedies , " Lisa de Haas " <lisa@l...> wrote: > Hi W9, check out Doc's writing on Lobelia, to find out why people get sick and throw up :-) This is NOT because they smoke. > love > Lisa > - > walkyria9 > herbal remedies > Monday, July 04, 2005 10:38 AM > Herbal Remedies - Nicotine > > > Lobelia do have lobeline (sp?) (I think it was lobeline, I am writing > this from memory) and it does the same thing as nicotine. Attach > itself to the dopamine-receptors. And thats why you should not use > lobelia and smoke at same time. People say they get sick and throw up. > Like when one get too much nicotine in the system. > > W9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Hm..It may be it sounded abit rude, my previous post... What I meant is that Doc's files is *definitely* not the only source to how herbs works and so on. Ive read everything in the files for over 2 years ago, and its some months ago I checked there again to see if there was new things, and I have read much, much more than people can imagine. When I was 24 years old I knew that the brain is the only treasure humans do have. 5 years later a swedish man who was into marketing and umm...I dont know the english word....but they are those who write about trends before it happens. Anyway, he was on TV and he said the same thing I knew. He travel around and give lectures and tell people to USE their brain. Study whatever, never stop to study. One day we will need it. Thats his words. W9 herbal remedies , " Lisa de Haas " <lisa@l...> wrote: > Hi W9, check out Doc's writing on Lobelia, to find out why people get sick and throw up :-) This is NOT because they smoke. > love > Lisa > - > walkyria9 > herbal remedies > Monday, July 04, 2005 10:38 AM > Herbal Remedies - Nicotine > > > Lobelia do have lobeline (sp?) (I think it was lobeline, I am writing > this from memory) and it does the same thing as nicotine. Attach > itself to the dopamine-receptors. And thats why you should not use > lobelia and smoke at same time. People say they get sick and throw up. > Like when one get too much nicotine in the system. > > W9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 W9, Thanks for this information. The herbalist didn't explain to me why I should limit the lobelia, but did warn to only use no more than three times/day. I've read that you cannot overdose (per say) because if you use to much of it, you'll vomit. Irene imclark - walkyria9 herbal remedies 7/4/2005 8:19:45 AM Herbal Remedies - Nicotine Is a very interesing thing.Yes, it is very addictive and its on the top of the list of how toughit is to wean off it. Heroine is number 2.I saw that list in a scientific magazine.But Nicotine is very interesing. I have studied it. Few know what I know.Nicotine attach itself to the dopamine-receptors in the brain, so whathappens is that the brain make more dopamine (endorphine, anyone? ourhappiness-hormone).So because of that, nicotine is an anti-depressiva. I also heard from someone that the brain make new neurotransmitters inthe brain when one use nicotine. And that its why its so difficult toquit with it because the brain have to figure out what to do with allthe new neurotransmitters. I dont know if its true but I will searchuntill I find that info, because the lady who told me that, also sawit in a scientific report.Nicotine is also the best parasite-killer that exists. A fewnature-therapeuts use tobacco-tincture when nothing else works. Lobelia do have lobeline (sp?) (I think it was lobeline, I am writingthis from memory) and it does the same thing as nicotine. Attachitself to the dopamine-receptors. And thats why you should not uselobelia and smoke at same time. People say they get sick and throw up.Like when one get too much nicotine in the system.W9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 So where do you get a tobacco-tincture? Tom walkyria9 wrote: Is a very interesing thing. Yes, it is very addictive and its on the top of the list of how tough it is to wean off it. Heroine is number 2. I saw that list in a scientific magazine. But Nicotine is very interesing. I have studied it. Few know what I know. Nicotine attach itself to the dopamine-receptors in the brain, so what happens is that the brain make more dopamine (endorphine, anyone? our happiness-hormone). So because of that, nicotine is an anti-depressiva. I also heard from someone that the brain make new neurotransmitters in the brain when one use nicotine. And that its why its so difficult to quit with it because the brain have to figure out what to do with all the new neurotransmitters. I dont know if its true but I will search untill I find that info, because the lady who told me that, also saw it in a scientific report. Nicotine is also the best parasite-killer that exists. A few nature-therapeuts use tobacco-tincture when nothing else works. Lobelia do have lobeline (sp?) (I think it was lobeline, I am writing this from memory) and it does the same thing as nicotine. Attach itself to the dopamine-receptors. And thats why you should not use lobelia and smoke at same time. People say they get sick and throw up. Like when one get too much nicotine in the system. W9 herbal remedies , "Monchello Androshi" <warlocke_rising> wrote: > > anyway GOOD LUCK! i hope you succeed!it really is an adiction > worst than heroin im told,maybe just as equal atleast. > > androshi` > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 They who use it for parasite-killing, grow the tobacco themself, and make tincture of it. They grow this plant themself because the tobacco you get now is usually chemicals added to it. You can get the seed from many sources. Let me find the name of this tobacco type... Nicotiana tabacum L. is the latin name for the tobacco plant and I have seen the seeds at many sites who sell seeds because the tobacco plant is a beautiful plant with very good-smelling flowers. Many like these flowers. Here is one site about several sources where you can get seeds etc: http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Plants/Nicotiana/tabacum.html W9 herbal remedies , " tvogel1104@s... " <tvogel1104@s...> wrote: > So where do you get a tobacco-tincture? > Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 Irene, this is what Doc has to say about Lobelia. love Lisa There are two herbal tinctures that you simply must have on hand: Cayenne tincture and Lobelia tincture!!! Cayenne prevents people from fainting or going unconscious, and pulls people out of heart attacks and strokes by dilating blood vessels thereby reducing or eliminating brain damage. Lobelia stops full body spasms (such as seizures resulting from Parkinson's or Epilepsy), asthma attacks, and opens the bronchial tubes to ease breathing. The famous herbalist, Samuel Thompson, used these two herbs more than any others. With these herbs, it is conservatively estimated he helped well over three hundred thousand peopIe recover from their various illnesses. I'll explain more about how he did this in a minute. The medical warnings over supposed "lobelia toxicity" are completely false. There's no real side effects to this unbelievable herb. Lobelia is a brilliant herb, even for kids, as it opens the sinuses and gets them breathing, even when heavily asthmatic. I used it on our, Bryan, when he was stung by a Stingray and it calmed him down in a few seconds. I would guess that very few of you have ever thought much about the subject of throwing up, vomiting, heaving, puking or whatever you wish to call it. Revolting subjects like this do not usually get much attention or discussion. However, besides the positive effect of the body ejecting something from the stomach that it wishes to get rid of for whatever reason including food poisoning, there are other positive effects created that I'd like to explain to you. When your stomach contracts to squeeze its contents out, this puts pressure on the lungs and squeezes them as well and can help them get rid of any unwanted fluids, phlegm and even tumors. Furthermore, the body's ability to vomit creates strong vibrations in the surrounding glands and these low level pulsations are extremely beneficial to the healthy operation and well being of these organs. Guess what? Lobelia in a large enough dose will cause this vomiting. Lobelia has a substance in it called Lobeline that first dilates the bronchial tubes and relaxes the body. In larger doses it stimulates the 10th cranial nerve, the Vagus, to such a degree that you vomit. The lungs get squeezed and compressed, and any fluid in them comes out with the vomit. What we're doing here is creating a purge to really clean out the lungs for people who have severe lung problems. Everyone has a different tolerance level to Lobelia and different amounts they would need to take to cause this vomiting effect. So Samuel Thompson would determine how much Lobelia a patient needed to take and then start in on his procedure that he called "Purge and Puke”. After this was accomplished, he would then give them Cayenne to bring them back to the planet. Some people might think this sounds very uncomfortable and radical as an emergency procedure, however compare and consider the medical alternative of cutting a 4 inch incision through your side and inserting a tube into your lungs to drain the fluid out. I think I'd prefer using the Lobelia. Can you imagine healing over three hundred thousand people of many different diseases using mainly these two herbs?? This is a marvelous herb and should be in every First-Aid kit without fail. Copyright ã 2003 by Ian Shillington N.D.. All rights reserved. - imclark herbal remedies Monday, July 04, 2005 5:54 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - Nicotine W9, Thanks for this information. The herbalist didn't explain to me why I should limit the lobelia, but did warn to only use no more than three times/day. I've read that you cannot overdose (per say) because if you use to much of it, you'll vomit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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