Unification articles Hi Sammy

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Hi Sammy

 

I am certainly not saying this can happen overnight, in fact it could be twenty

years or longer. But the sooner we start the sooner the result, as for money to

invest there is huge money already being invested in Unification worldwide.

Remember only all great things are normally solidified by so called dreamers.

The World Health Organisation is invested in this ultimatium, their are dozens

of conferences held all over the world every year attended by thousands upon

thousands of experts who want to make this dream come true. Lets begin the

journey now so our kids me reep the rewards.

 

Regards

 

manu

 

sammy_bates <sammy_bates wrote:

Dear Attilio and All,

 

I'd like to respond briefly to this thread. Sorry if a few recieve double posts

as I have copied it to 21CUPC as well. From my specialist point of view in the

realm of prostate cancer, the unification of WM and CM has so far brought

nothing but disarray and confusion.

 

A few years ago a very clever CM pharmacist 'invented' a hybrid CM drug

(PC-SPES) that would satisfiy a commercial niche demand in the west for

symptomatic treatment of prostate cancer. It 'worked' by reducing PSA in a

dramatic way; but like all symptomatic treatments for this disease, inevitably

leads to an advanced, 'incurable' condition. [ But see 21CUPC home page for the

heretic's view. www.prostateman.org ]

 

From a CM point of view PC-SPES was a 'bad formula' but nevertheless gave rise

to an unprecedented number of scientific peer reviewed articles. 93 to date, not

all but most quite flattering. The formula managed to powerfully mimick

estrogens despite there never being positive proof that contamination was a

significant issue. This mimicking is a physical phenomenaon due to the property

of the 'electron shell' or 'charge configuration' produced by the formula. There

are comparisons here with the way DIM works as a natural sex-steroid blocker,

and with the notion of succination we find in homeopathic medicine, and in

earlier days alchemy - but more of that in 50 years or so. I do not think anyone

is ready for 'unification' at such a level.

 

Not enough money to fuel the imagination that is around. The reason for this is

because there is an overriding concern in the west with patents and the profits

they bring. No real concern for patients. That is sissy stuff.

 

For example (and by contrast) there are just three PubMed references to specific

CM formulations that treat prostate cancer by enhancing androgens rather than by

simulating castration and feminisation: 11025772 12894532 11894110.

 

Today, right now there is no meaningful unification because neither side really

cares to understands the other when there is a race on to earn $$$$. This is the

currency and until that changes there will be distortion and bias in the way

science is presented. The best we can hope for is mutual respect and distance,

and at best I think we can hope for a 'layering' of incompatible theories or

'models' of the way the world (and life) works. Thus there could be a

mechanistic level served by WM, an energetic (qi) level served by CM and a

spritual level served by 'hope' or 'faith' or whatever you want to call it.

 

Here is an inspirational quote from a scientist who has done much to bring about

'understanding' of the wider issues in this disease. It is not 'unification' but

it is a step forward. There is a PDF version of the full article available.

 

Cheers,

 

Sammy.

 

1: Hong Kong Med J. 2001 Dec;7(4):369-74.

 

The medicinal action of androgens and green tea epigallocatechin gallate.

 

Liao S.

 

Tang Center for Herbal Medicine Research, Ben May Institute for Cancer Research,

University of Chicago, Chicago, Illinois, USA.

 

Unorthodox (non-traditional or alternative) medicinal practices have been

expanding very rapidly in western countries. Modern physicians, scientists, and

non-traditional medicine practitioners now must join forces to promote

evidence-based medicine to benefit patients. Green tea extracts are among the

most widely used ancient medicinal agents, while androgens are probably the

oldest drugs used in a purified form in traditional Chinese medicine. It is now

clear that a specific green tea catechin, (-)epigallocatechin-3-gallate, can

modulate the production and biological actions of androgens and other hormones.

Modulation of androgenic activity and administration of

(-)epigallocatechin-3-gallate may be useful for the treatment of various

hormone-related abnormalities, such as benign prostatic hyperplasia, baldness,

and acne, as well as androgen-dependent and -independent prostate cancers.

(-)Epigallocatechin-3-gallate has also been shown to modulate appetite and

control obesity in animals.

 

Publication Types:

Review

Review, Tutorial

 

PMID: 11773671 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

 

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Chinese Medicine

Sunday, October 17, 2004 10:40 AM

Re: Unification articles

 

 

 

 

Hi all,

 

Well, having spent 6 months in Beijing, i think that most doctors

think TCM and western medicine can be merged together. I've seen it

used together everyday in the hospitals. Although, i strongly

believe that it is unbalanced, with heavy dosage use of both

allopathic and TCM medicines. Also, different generations have

different leanings towards either TCM or WM. The older generation

favour TCM whilst the younger generation prefer WM.

 

What i will say is that the integration of WM and TCM in China is

still very much in the dark ages and will take decades to get

anywhere where we would like to see it. Their understanding of TCM

is advanced but their understanding of WM is far from it and lags

behind the West. This will hold the development of integration until

the Chinese catch up with Western use of allopathic medicine and

then hopefully supercede it.

 

Attilio

 

Chinese Medicine , manu hamlin

<manuhamlin> wrote:

>

> Hi Steve

>

> Just answered many of your questions in recent post. Yes you are

right this is common practice now in China however this has not yet

happened in the west. According to what I have read he recieved his

PH.D in the west, he lectures at WM schools on WM as well. Regarding

can he practice in New Zealand the that is not possible. The reason

being according to the law you can not practice both WM & TCM its

either one or the other. As you have correctly stated in China this

is not a problem as the two medicines can work together how ever

this is due to TCM being familiar and easily comprehendable for

Chinese cultered people. So I agree with all your points I just

believe your points were slightly off target

>

> Regards

>

> Manu

>

> Steven Slater <laozhongyi@m...> wrote:

> Hi Manu and all,

>

> I just read what I could of the articles on this " new " unified

> medicine. I must first state I have not read the text and it this

stage

> and I see no reason to spend $200 on it from what I have read.

From the

> rough outlines of this integrated medicine it is simply the

everyday

> practice of TCM in a modern Chinese TCM hospital, or at least the

one I

> worked in. Modren TCM education in China produces doctors who

practice

> both WM and TCM side by side. WM and TCM have been integrated this

way

> for years, I see nothing new here but a entrepreneurial Chinese

doctor

> promoting his business in the West.

>

> To Ze'v and other experienced educators on this list......

>

> How many years do you think is minimum to enter practice as a TCM

> practitioner?

> What do you think about the proposed 1 year " diploma " to allow WM

> doctors to practice TCM? It scares the hell out of me.

>

> If anything could kill off TCM in the West, it would be poorly

educated

> WM doctors practising parts of it under our public health care

systems.

>

> Manu, do you know if this doctor is actually qualified to practice

WM

> in New Zealand or Australia? Medical degrees (including masters

and

> PhD's in integrated medicine) given in China hold no weight in the

> West. Is this doctor a qualified and registered WM practitioner in

New

> Zealand?

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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