Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Hi Hugo I am not saying that WM terminolgy is the superior terms for TCM worldwide e.g. China. What I am saying is that in the west TCM is needs to adapt to western culture as expecting everyone in the west to change to suit us is ludicris. For example if I moved from China to America would it be reasonable to expect everyone to in america to learn Chinese so I dont have to learn English, of course not. That is how simple my argument is, TCM cannot expect everyone one to change for them, it would be nice but lets be realistic it will never happen. Regards Manu Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: --- manu hamlin <manuhamlin wrote: > > with this patient it was obvious that the TCM > doctor was talking about > > the reproductive system not the actual kidney. This is the point that rubs me a little the wrong way. The kidney, in western medicine, is limited and defined by its /supposed/ anatomical boundaries - therefore the statement " the actual kidney " . What if we really understood that the suprarenal glands are located right on top of the western-delimited kidney for a real good reason? And what if we knew that the western kidney stores a white matter which is " actually " the jing (it does and can be seen upon dissection)? What if we knew that there was a set of tissues which connect the left and right kidneys together and serve to conduct qi between them? It is then not so easy to say that western medicine has the " correct " definition of kidney. Certainly WM has a very specific definition of kidney. In and of itself, however, that definition does not mean anything except that something has been defined. Thanks for reading, Hugo _________ALL ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Hey Manu --- manu hamlin <manuhamlin wrote: > I am not saying that WM terminolgy is the superior > terms for TCM worldwide e.g. China. What I am saying Ok. > is that in the west TCM is needs to adapt to western > culture as expecting everyone in the west to change > to suit us is ludicris. That's true. How about this - we get those that _want_ to, to adapt to us. There may be mroe than we think. Probably not in the medical profession though, you're right. > simple my argument is, TCM cannot expect everyone > one to change for them, it would be nice but lets be > realistic it will never happen. True, now, my question is, and I think others have raised it - " does this compromise cause CM to lose anything essential? " Thanks, Hugo _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Hi Hugo I do like your discussions as are rather open minded and willing to change. Regarding getting the WM people who are willing to change on board, again would be great but not possible because western regulators would not let them change. Secondly it dont think the percentage of western people wanting to change everything to eastern thinking would be high enough. I do think to some degree as all the cultures come together everything will eventually mix including all the medicines. As this happens over a long period of time their will have to be comprimises made on both sides. And yes you have the same valid concern that everyone else does will it water down, change or swallow TCM. In my opinion no it wont, the reason for this is I as well as many TCM people I know have read the book(including reviews I have read) believe he has avoided this problem. Fair enough you are skeptical, you should be just please keep an open mind (as I know you will) and if you see this book in your library read it and let me know what you think. Regards Manu Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: Hey Manu --- manu hamlin <manuhamlin wrote: > I am not saying that WM terminolgy is the superior > terms for TCM worldwide e.g. China. What I am saying Ok. > is that in the west TCM is needs to adapt to western > culture as expecting everyone in the west to change > to suit us is ludicris. That's true. How about this - we get those that _want_ to, to adapt to us. There may be mroe than we think. Probably not in the medical profession though, you're right. > simple my argument is, TCM cannot expect everyone > one to change for them, it would be nice but lets be > realistic it will never happen. True, now, my question is, and I think others have raised it - " does this compromise cause CM to lose anything essential? " Thanks, Hugo _________ALL ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 _____ manu hamlin [manuhamlin] Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:36 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Terminology, RE: Zev RE: Hugo * Hi Hugo I do like your discussions as are rather open minded and willing to change. Regarding getting the WM people who are willing to change on board, again would be great but not possible because western regulators would not let them change. Secondly it dont think the percentage of western people wanting to change everything to eastern thinking would be high enough. I do think to some degree as all the cultures come together everything will eventually mix including all the medicines. As this happens over a long period of time their will have to be comprimises made on both sides. And yes you have the same valid concern that everyone else does will it water down, change or swallow TCM. In my opinion no it wont, the reason for this is I as well as many TCM people I know have read the book(including reviews I have read) believe he has avoided this problem. Fair enough you are skeptical, you should be just please keep an open mind (as I know you will) and if you see this book in your library read it and let me know what you think. Regards Manu. [Jason] M, Maybe I missed some specific examples, and if I did could you point me to those msg.'s, otherwise could you post some specifics. I read the articles you scanned in but this said very little. How exactly is he doing this? Things so far have been extremely vague.. Is this geared to MD's or TCMers? [Granted I might have missed some important post, so please direct me.] But I pretty much agree with all the backlash from this somewhat arrogant stance (not from you but the author). 1) 1 single book or 1 author's view is almost laughable. I also notice that he is not an MD which gives him about zero clout IMO. 2) AS has been pointed out the integrating the two medicines has been going sometime in China. There have been many problems with this, and I would like to know what is different in Lee's attempt and China's current expression. Furthermore, many Chinese doctors here in the states say that this integration (China) has pretty much destroyed the freedom of practicing regular TCM in mainstream venues in China. Here in the US one has much more freedom and they say that here the practice of CM is much more pure. (of course there are always exceptions). -Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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