Re:- snake bite

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Hi Shanna,

 

> I have a male patient, 57, otherwise pretty healthy, who was bitten

> by a rattlesnake around Sp 4 last Friday. He's been in hospital

> since then with swelling moving up to the groin. They have had to

> adminsiter at least 4 doses of anti-venin with no real reduction in

> swelling. They are keeping him until at least Wed. at last report.

> He is anxious to begin CM therapy to help recovery. The swelling is

> red and hot in places. To my understanding this is heat toxin (?).

> I find no formulas in Bensky that specifically talk about snake

> bite althought there are several single herbs which do mention in.

> I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this. Of the

> formulas in Bensky, Xian fang huo ming yin or Wu wei xiao du yin

> seem most likely to me. Should I add any specific snake bite herbs

> like Bai Wei or Bai hua she she cao? I don't have chuan shan jia or

> zao jiao ci--can these be left out or are there other substitutes?

> Or should we just use single snake bite herbs? How about points?

> P6, Bl 40? Others? Is it safe to needle the affected leg? Bleeding?

> Thanks, Shanna

 

Immune-stimulating and antiinflammatory points, like LI04, LI11,

ST36, GV14 should be useful, as should Jing-Well points on

affected limb.

 

Also, see:

http://www.medicalacupuncture.com/aama_marf/journal/vol12_2/pos

ter7.html Ting and Gathering points for the Tendinomuscular

Meridians of LI, ST, and GB were needled. The area of the bite was

surrounded with superficial needles left in place for 35 minutes.

During that time, there was a notable reduction in swelling

witnessed by all 5 physicians. Skin lines and wrinkles appeared

again over the previous tensely swollen dorsum of the foot.

 

See: http://www.itmonline.org/arts/bleeding.htm Bafeng and

qiduan: dorsal venous network of the foot; swelling, pain and

numbness of the foot, snakebite. Baxie: dorsal subcutaneous

network of hand; swelling, pain and numbness of the hand,

snakebite

 

Herbal medicine includes: Baifuzi+selection from Baihuashe,

Baihuasheshecao, Baizhi, Banbianlian, Banmao, Banxia,

Banzhilian, Chuanbeimu, Chuanshanjia, Daji-2, Gancao, Gualou,

Haigeke, Haima, Haizao, Heshouwu, Jiangcan [bANNED], Kunbu,

Lianqiao, Lucao, Luemei, Muli, Niuhuang, Quanxie [bANNED],

Shancigu, Shegan, Tiannanxing, Walengzi, Wugong [bANNED],

Xiakucao, Xuanshen, Yejuhua, Zhenzhucai, Zizhuiju in scrofula &

snake-bite (Oral & Topical);

 

Best regards,

 

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[Guest guest]

Shanna-

How about Jap immune points, around the elbow, near

LI 11-10. Needle into the " gummy " areas.

JG

--- < wrote:

 

> Hi Shanna,

>

> > I have a male patient, 57, otherwise pretty

> healthy, who was bitten

> > by a rattlesnake around Sp 4 last Friday. He's

> been in hospital

> > since then with swelling moving up to the groin.

> They have had to

> > adminsiter at least 4 doses of anti-venin with no

> real reduction in

> > swelling. They are keeping him until at least

> Wed. at last report.

> > He is anxious to begin CM therapy to help

> recovery. The swelling is

> > red and hot in places. To my understanding this

> is heat toxin (?).

> > I find no formulas in Bensky that specifically

> talk about snake

> > bite althought there are several single herbs

> which do mention in.

> > I was wondering if anyone has any experience with

> this. Of the

> > formulas in Bensky, Xian fang huo ming yin or Wu

> wei xiao du yin

> > seem most likely to me. Should I add any specific

> snake bite herbs

> > like Bai Wei or Bai hua she she cao? I don't have

> chuan shan jia or

> > zao jiao ci--can these be left out or are there

> other substitutes?

> > Or should we just use single snake bite herbs?

> How about points?

> > P6, Bl 40? Others? Is it safe to needle the

> affected leg? Bleeding?

> > Thanks, Shanna

>

> Immune-stimulating and antiinflammatory points, like

> LI04, LI11,

> ST36, GV14 should be useful, as should Jing-Well

> points on

> affected limb.

>

> Also, see:

>

http://www.medicalacupuncture.com/aama_marf/journal/vol12_2/pos

> ter7.html Ting and Gathering points for the

> Tendinomuscular

> Meridians of LI, ST, and GB were needled. The area

> of the bite was

> surrounded with superficial needles left in place

> for 35 minutes.

> During that time, there was a notable reduction in

> swelling

> witnessed by all 5 physicians. Skin lines and

> wrinkles appeared

> again over the previous tensely swollen dorsum of

> the foot.

>

> See: http://www.itmonline.org/arts/bleeding.htm

> Bafeng and

> qiduan: dorsal venous network of the foot; swelling,

> pain and

> numbness of the foot, snakebite. Baxie: dorsal

> subcutaneous

> network of hand; swelling, pain and numbness of the

> hand,

> snakebite

>

> Herbal medicine includes: Baifuzi+selection from

> Baihuashe,

> Baihuasheshecao, Baizhi, Banbianlian, Banmao,

> Banxia,

> Banzhilian, Chuanbeimu, Chuanshanjia, Daji-2,

> Gancao, Gualou,

> Haigeke, Haima, Haizao, Heshouwu, Jiangcan [bANNED],

> Kunbu,

> Lianqiao, Lucao, Luemei, Muli, Niuhuang, Quanxie

> [bANNED],

> Shancigu, Shegan, Tiannanxing, Walengzi, Wugong

> [bANNED],

> Xiakucao, Xuanshen, Yejuhua, Zhenzhucai, Zizhuiju in

> scrofula &

> snake-bite (Oral & Topical);

>

> Best regards,

>

> Email: <

>

> WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin,

> Ireland

> Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic:

> 0]

>

> HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

> Tel : 353-; [in the Republic:

> 0]

> WWW :

> http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

>

> Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done,

> should not interrupt man doing it "

>