Welcome, Prof. Dr. SOH Kwang-Sup, to our discussion Lists!

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil and Dr SOH Kwang-Sup,

 

I'm very interested to hear of this new research. Dr SOH is based at the

National University in Seoul, South Korea's best university.

 

For all of you that want to read the pdf version, see

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0211/0211085.pdf

 

Again, i support Phil that any flaming with be quickly dealt with.

 

I hope we can all find Dr SOH's research very useful to our field.

 

Kind regards

 

Attilio

 

---Original Message-----

[]

23 November 2004 22:52

Pa-l ; PVA-L ;

traditional_Chinese_Medicine

Welcome, Prof. Dr. SOH Kwang-Sup, to our discussion Lists!

 

 

Welcome, Dr. SOH Kwang-Sup, to our Discussion Lists!

 

Dr SOH, Cead Mile Mile Failte! [One Hundred Thousand Thousand Welcomes] -

the Traditional Irish welcome for an honoured guest, as spoken in the old

Irish-

Gaelic language.

 

Colleagues, on your behalf, Attilio and I are honoured to welcome our Korean

 

Colleague, Prof. Dr. SOH Kwang-Sup to the Chinese Medicine,

PA-L and PVA-L Lists.

 

Dr. SOH is a member and coordinator of a unique research team in Souith

Korea. The team consists of Oriental Medical Doctors, Engineers, Biologists,

 

Biophysicists and other support staff. The work of this LARGE research team

is

being funded OFFICIALLY by the South Korean Government. This means that

the Korean Govmt takes very seriously the startling findings from

preliminary

research by Dr. SOH and his colleagues. Watch this space for absolutely

staggering implications for acupuncture (AP) and TCM if their suspicions are

 

correct!

 

The main aim of their work is to research the evidence that may support of

refute the PHYSICAL REALITY of a NEW ANATOMICALLY-CONFIRMED

microduct and microcorpuscular system. They have ALREADY confirmed that

structures previously UNRECOGNISED EXIST. See:http://tinyurl.com/54smr

 

Another Korean (Dr. KIM Bong-Han, of Pyongyang University, North Korea)

claimed in 1963 that he had " found " the anatomical infrastructure for he

Jing-Lui-

Mai. He called it the Kyungrak Ststem, a microsystem of ducts and corpuscles

 

that became known as the Bonghan System. Other researchers in the 1960s

and 1970s could NOT confirm his findings and claimed that his initial

research

was a hoax, or an artefact. Interest in the system died then. It is rumoured

that

the unfortunate Dr. KIM took his own life. If that is true, I pray God's

Mercy &

Love for KIM's Soul.

 

Then, just some years ago, using highly modern and sophisticated equipment,

Dr. SOH's team found anatomical icrostructures that seemed to confirm Dr.

KIM's amazing claims.

 

Some months ago, Dr. SOH addressed the IVAS Congress in Oostende to

report his most recent findings. Because here were parallel lectures in

progress, the attendance at Dr. SOH's briliant lecture was very small.

 

Because I believe that SOH's team may be onto something of enormous

importance to the credibility of the channel-point ststem, Attilio and I

decided to

invite him to discuss his findings and their implications to a very large

audience.

 

These three lists are three of the mst influential lists on AP & TCM. We

have

invited Dr. SOH to join out discussion groups so that we may discuss, in

depth,

the very latest research on whether of not a PHYSICAL-MICROANATOMICAL

infrastructure exists for the Jing-Luo-Mai, as postulated in classical

acupuncture.

 

I expect that many issues of disagreement or opposing arguments will arise

on

this topic. That is OK; indeed it is WELCOME. However, I ask ALL members to

bear in mind that Dr. SOH is new to these Lists. He may not be familiar with

 

the hard discussions / criticisms that can arise on such lists.

 

My experience of the Korean people is that they are extremely polite and

courteous. I ask ALL participants to be equally courteous in discussion even

if

you may disagree with anything that Dr. SOH may have to say.

 

It is perfectly acceptable to argue an opposing case, but it should be done

with

respect and courtesy.

 

Dr. SOH is an Honoured Member of PA-L and PVA-L on MY invitation. I will

summarily expel anyone who may flame in this discussion. There will be no

further warning on this.

 

I hope that Attilio will take the same line if any member of the TCM List

flames

Dr. SOH.

 

Dr. SOH, Welcome again. When you wish to email the Membership of all

THREE lists, you must use ALL THREE List addresses, i.e., you must send

copies to:

 

(PA-L >,<PVA-

L >,<Chinese Medicine >

 

Now:

 

1. Would you please like to begin by telling us what your team found, and

what

the next steps in your research will be.

 

2. Would you also like to discuss HOW you might confirm whether or not your

duct-system corresponds with the classical pathways of the channels (Jing),

Collaterals/Connecting Channels (Luo) and Mai (Vessels - Ren, Du, Chong,

Dai, etc).

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dr. Soh,

 

This is quite an honor. Thank you for joining our discussion group. I have

a special interest in your work and that of Dr. Kim Bong han. I am writing

a text which will include scientific support for TCM and its various

theories. Again I look forward to hearing more about your work.

 

Sincerely,

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

On 11/23/04 5:18 PM, " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto

wrote:

 

> Hi Phil and Dr SOH Kwang-Sup,

>

> I'm very interested to hear of this new research. Dr SOH is based at the

> National University in Seoul, South Korea's best university.

>

> For all of you that want to read the pdf version, see

> http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0211/0211085.pdf

>

> Again, i support Phil that any flaming with be quickly dealt with.

>

> I hope we can all find Dr SOH's research very useful to our field.

>

> Kind regards

>

> Attilio

>

> ---Original Message-----

> []

> 23 November 2004 22:52

> Pa-l ; PVA-L ;

> traditional_Chinese_Medicine

> Welcome, Prof. Dr. SOH Kwang-Sup, to our discussion Lists!

>

>

> Welcome, Dr. SOH Kwang-Sup, to our Discussion Lists!

>

> Dr SOH, Cead Mile Mile Failte! [One Hundred Thousand Thousand Welcomes] -

> the Traditional Irish welcome for an honoured guest, as spoken in the old

> Irish-

> Gaelic language.

>

> Colleagues, on your behalf, Attilio and I are honoured to welcome our Korean

>

> Colleague, Prof. Dr. SOH Kwang-Sup to the Chinese Medicine,

> PA-L and PVA-L Lists.

>

> Dr. SOH is a member and coordinator of a unique research team in Souith

> Korea. The team consists of Oriental Medical Doctors, Engineers, Biologists,

>

> Biophysicists and other support staff. The work of this LARGE research team

> is

> being funded OFFICIALLY by the South Korean Government. This means that

> the Korean Govmt takes very seriously the startling findings from

> preliminary

> research by Dr. SOH and his colleagues. Watch this space for absolutely

> staggering implications for acupuncture (AP) and TCM if their suspicions are

>

> correct!

>

> The main aim of their work is to research the evidence that may support of

> refute the PHYSICAL REALITY of a NEW ANATOMICALLY-CONFIRMED

> microduct and microcorpuscular system. They have ALREADY confirmed that

> structures previously UNRECOGNISED EXIST. See:http://tinyurl.com/54smr

>

> Another Korean (Dr. KIM Bong-Han, of Pyongyang University, North Korea)

> claimed in 1963 that he had " found " the anatomical infrastructure for he

> Jing-Lui-

> Mai. He called it the Kyungrak Ststem, a microsystem of ducts and corpuscles

>

> that became known as the Bonghan System. Other researchers in the 1960s

> and 1970s could NOT confirm his findings and claimed that his initial

> research

> was a hoax, or an artefact. Interest in the system died then. It is rumoured

> that

> the unfortunate Dr. KIM took his own life. If that is true, I pray God's

> Mercy &

> Love for KIM's Soul.

>

> Then, just some years ago, using highly modern and sophisticated equipment,

> Dr. SOH's team found anatomical icrostructures that seemed to confirm Dr.

> KIM's amazing claims.

>

> Some months ago, Dr. SOH addressed the IVAS Congress in Oostende to

> report his most recent findings. Because here were parallel lectures in

> progress, the attendance at Dr. SOH's briliant lecture was very small.

>

> Because I believe that SOH's team may be onto something of enormous

> importance to the credibility of the channel-point ststem, Attilio and I

> decided to

> invite him to discuss his findings and their implications to a very large

> audience.

>

> These three lists are three of the mst influential lists on AP & TCM. We

> have

> invited Dr. SOH to join out discussion groups so that we may discuss, in

> depth,

> the very latest research on whether of not a PHYSICAL-MICROANATOMICAL

> infrastructure exists for the Jing-Luo-Mai, as postulated in classical

> acupuncture.

>

> I expect that many issues of disagreement or opposing arguments will arise

> on

> this topic. That is OK; indeed it is WELCOME. However, I ask ALL members to

> bear in mind that Dr. SOH is new to these Lists. He may not be familiar with

>

> the hard discussions / criticisms that can arise on such lists.

>

> My experience of the Korean people is that they are extremely polite and

> courteous. I ask ALL participants to be equally courteous in discussion even

> if

> you may disagree with anything that Dr. SOH may have to say.

>

> It is perfectly acceptable to argue an opposing case, but it should be done

> with

> respect and courtesy.

>

> Dr. SOH is an Honoured Member of PA-L and PVA-L on MY invitation. I will

> summarily expel anyone who may flame in this discussion. There will be no

> further warning on this.

>

> I hope that Attilio will take the same line if any member of the TCM List

> flames

> Dr. SOH.

>

> Dr. SOH, Welcome again. When you wish to email the Membership of all

> THREE lists, you must use ALL THREE List addresses, i.e., you must send

> copies to:

>

> (PA-L >,<PVA-

> L >,<Chinese Medicine >

>

> Now:

>

> 1. Would you please like to begin by telling us what your team found, and

> what

> the next steps in your research will be.

>

> 2. Would you also like to discuss HOW you might confirm whether or not your

> duct-system corresponds with the classical pathways of the channels (Jing),

> Collaterals/Connecting Channels (Luo) and Mai (Vessels - Ren, Du, Chong,

> Dai, etc).

[Guest guest]

Welcome to Dr SOH Kwang-Sup.

 

Welcome to this list.

I hope this supports your research and affords a great many insights for

everyone. Thank you for joining.

 

I have to keep up with A & P because I teach it to massage students as

part of our Oriental Healing Arts School. So I am constantly reading

lots of various texts covering the material. I am excited you could join

us. I read the text of the site Phil sent out and that is exciting.

THere is talk of micro tubules in Cranial Sacral Therapy too, I don't

know exactly what they were talking about, but their slant was the

transmission of information with peptides. It is all way interesting to

me. THe connections with electro-magnetic and our living tissues and now

this. I look forward to more discovery and the relationship to TCM.

Again, thanks, and also to you Phil for the inviting.

 

 

Rozz, LMT, MQP

 

> The main aim of their work is to research the evidence that may support of

> refute the PHYSICAL REALITY of a NEW ANATOMICALLY-CONFIRMED

> microduct and microcorpuscular system. They have ALREADY confirmed that

> structures previously UNRECOGNISED EXIST. See:http://tinyurl.com/54smr

>

> Another Korean (Dr. KIM Bong-Han, of Pyongyang University, North Korea)

> claimed in 1963 that he had " found " the anatomical infrastructure for he

> Jing-Lui-

> Mai. He called it the Kyungrak Ststem, a microsystem of ducts and corpuscles

>

> that became known as the Bonghan System. Other researchers in the 1960s

> and 1970s could NOT confirm his findings and claimed that his initial

> research

> was a hoax, or an artefact. Interest in the system died then. It is rumoured

> that

> the unfortunate Dr. KIM took his own life. If that is true, I pray God's

> Mercy &

> Love for KIM's Soul.

>

> Then, just some years ago, using highly modern and sophisticated equipment,

> Dr. SOH's team found anatomical icrostructures that seemed to confirm Dr.

> KIM's amazing claims.

>

> Some months ago, Dr. SOH addressed the IVAS Congress in Oostende to

> report his most recent findings. Because here were parallel lectures in

> progress, the attendance at Dr. SOH's briliant lecture was very small.

>

> Because I believe that SOH's team may be onto something of enormous

> importance to the credibility of the channel-point ststem, Attilio and I

> decided to

> invite him to discuss his findings and their implications to a very large

> audience.

>

> These three lists are three of the mst influential lists on AP & TCM. We

> have

> invited Dr. SOH to join out discussion groups so that we may discuss, in

> depth,

> the very latest research on whether of not a PHYSICAL-MICROANATOMICAL

> infrastructure exists for the Jing-Luo-Mai, as postulated in classical

> acupuncture.

>

> I expect that many issues of disagreement or opposing arguments will arise

> on

> this topic. That is OK; indeed it is WELCOME. However, I ask ALL members to

> bear in mind that Dr. SOH is new to these Lists. He may not be familiar with

>

> the hard discussions / criticisms that can arise on such lists.

>

> My experience of the Korean people is that they are extremely polite and

> courteous. I ask ALL participants to be equally courteous in discussion even

> if

> you may disagree with anything that Dr. SOH may have to say.

>

> It is perfectly acceptable to argue an opposing case, but it should be done

> with

> respect and courtesy.

>

> Dr. SOH is an Honoured Member of PA-L and PVA-L on MY invitation. I will

> summarily expel anyone who may flame in this discussion. There will be no

> further warning on this.

>

> I hope that Attilio will take the same line if any member of the TCM List

> flames

> Dr. SOH.

>

> Dr. SOH, Welcome again. When you wish to email the Membership of all

> THREE lists, you must use ALL THREE List addresses, i.e., you must send

> copies to:

>

> (PA-L >,<PVA-

> L >,<Chinese Medicine >

>

> Now:

>

> 1. Would you please like to begin by telling us what your team found, and

> what

> the next steps in your research will be.

>

> 2. Would you also like to discuss HOW you might confirm whether or not your

> duct-system corresponds with the classical pathways of the channels (Jing),

> Collaterals/Connecting Channels (Luo) and Mai (Vessels - Ren, Du, Chong,

> Dai, etc).

>

>

>

>