Vaccination: is there a middle ground?

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Hi Sharon, & All,

 

Sharon wrote:

> Phil, If vaccinating kills or maims, where is the middle ground?

 

I woud prefer immunology experts to answer these questions, but my

feelings are:

 

1. The diseases that one tries to prevent by vaccination kill and maim far

more people and animals than vaccinosis does.

 

2. Many animals and humans are vaccinated with little detectable

adverse reaction in the short-term.

 

That said, Medline has 11,600 titles on adverse reactions / vaccinosis /

contraindications, but many of these are minor local reactions. See:

http://tinyurl.com/6kylh

 

> Where is the EBM?

 

Shar, you may be onto something here. If FDA applied the strictest

criteria of EBM to national decisions re routine vaccination, we probably

would have much less of it, because there are only 8 Medline hits for the

profile:

(evidence-based OR ebm OR ebv) AND efficacy AND safety AND

(vaccin* OR immunis* OR immuniz*)

See: http://tinyurl.com/646rm

 

However, the profile:

efficacy AND safety AND (vaccin* OR immunis* OR immuniz*)

has 1499 hits. See: http://tinyurl.com/6dmxo

 

> What possible benefit, to avoid a disease that matures the immune

> system? Perhaps maimed parties were the benefit, not avoiding disease

> process that matures the immune system? Giving toxic metals, how can

> you calculate the risk benefit analysis. To poison or not to poison

> our kids?

 

The dangers of the preservatives (thiomersal, etc) and adjuvants

(aluminium, etc) are being noted by epidemiologists and the industry.

We will probably see vaccines in the future ()esp monoclonal antigens)

without those toxic agents.

 

> Perhaps we should all ready more widely Phil to understand the issue

> better. And make the most informed decision we can. I believe the flu

> trail was undertaken on terminally ill people, and they were assessed

> for adverse reactions for a few days. From this it was concluded that

> flu shots are safe and effective.... where is the EBM here please?

>

 

I leave that question to the experts.

 

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