Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Hi Cameron, & All, > p.s. What is the consensus on Applied Kineseology? fact or fiction? AK includes the OMura Bi-Digital O-Ring Test (BDORT). See http://tinyurl.com/5yb3v IMO, AK is in the realm of psychic phenomena (like pulse diagnosis (TCM or VAS Pulses), dowsing/divining, or visualisation/mind travelling). IMO, like most PSI phenomena, they are fiction (or unreliable at least) in most wannabee hands but startlingly reliable and useful fact in gifted hands. Best regards, Ireland. Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) <progers; " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - Chinese Proverb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Pulse diagnosis of Chinese medicine does not belong with 'psychic phenomena'. It is an often surprisingly accurate method of diagnosis, and has been documented by specific criteria since the Nei Jing. It has been used by generations of practitioners, many who recorded their findings in the case history literature. While one can use the pulse in a 'psychic' way, it is certainly not designed that way in the context of Chinese medicine. On Mar 1, 2005, at 7:39 PM, wrote: > IMO, AK is in the realm of psychic phenomena (like pulse diagnosis > (TCM or VAS Pulses), dowsing/divining, or visualisation/mind > travelling). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 It is not possible to have both fact and fiction in the same description. This idea sounds like a neo-con approach to care (just a joke). It either is one way or the other. I think that it has merit and that a properly trained person can use it to help others. There are many ideas out there, some found in OM, that are not widely accepted yet can be quite profound clinically. Unless one is trained in such, we should not comment on its theories and such. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " " < >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > Re: Consensus on Applied Kineseology? >Wed, 02 Mar 2005 03:39:07 -0000 > >Hi Cameron, & All, > > > p.s. What is the consensus on Applied Kineseology? fact or fiction? > >AK includes the OMura Bi-Digital O-Ring Test (BDORT). See >http://tinyurl.com/5yb3v > >IMO, AK is in the realm of psychic phenomena (like pulse diagnosis >(TCM or VAS Pulses), dowsing/divining, or visualisation/mind travelling). > >IMO, like most PSI phenomena, they are fiction (or unreliable at least) in >most wannabee hands but startlingly reliable and useful fact in gifted >hands. > > >Best regards, > > > >Ireland. >Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) ><progers; > > > " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - >Chinese Proverb > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 I agree with Z'ev although some are able to read so much more with pulse taking than others this implies an extra-sensory ability. I once heard of a card player who could tell if he was holding a face-card because he could feel the slightly extra weight of such a card because it takes a little more paint to make a face card than a numbered card. Not physic but a sensitivity-level few could achieve. My biggest problem with AK and the like is that it suggests one can get a black/white, yes/no , red light/green light answer. In pulse diagnosis and other TCM diagnostic methods, one must deal with shades of grey. How soft does a pulse have to be to be a " soft pulse " , how hard for a " hard pulse? " How red must a tongue be to demonstrate pathogenic heat? The lure of AK type test and many machines is the suggestion one can get unambiguous answers devoid of subjectivity. I think such test have potential value but if one thinks one has escaped subjectivity one is fooling oneself. Like yin and yang, objective and subjective are package deals - you can't have one without some of the other. If one believes they know this herb or that point is right for a patient because some muscle got stronger in a test, they might not bother doing all the other time-tested diagnostic techniques and the difficult job of putting it all together to make the best judgment one can. I have had patients tell me they will have their chiropractor do muscle testing to determine if they will take the herbs I prescribed for them based on TCM diagnosis! - Matt Bauer - Chinese Medicine Wednesday, March 02, 2005 8:58 AM Re: Re: Consensus on Applied Kineseology? Pulse diagnosis of Chinese medicine does not belong with 'psychic phenomena'. It is an often surprisingly accurate method of diagnosis, and has been documented by specific criteria since the Nei Jing. It has been used by generations of practitioners, many who recorded their findings in the case history literature. While one can use the pulse in a 'psychic' way, it is certainly not designed that way in the context of Chinese medicine. On Mar 1, 2005, at 7:39 PM, wrote: > IMO, AK is in the realm of psychic phenomena (like pulse diagnosis > (TCM or VAS Pulses), dowsing/divining, or visualisation/mind > travelling). http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, click on this link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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