Guest guest Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Hi Tom, and All, Tom Verhaeghe wrote: > This list does not seem to be particularly interested in laser AP? I'm > curious, wouldn't you think that lasers are a convenient therapeutic > medium to use in treating pediatric patients? Some time ago I posted a > description of a machine that allows for 8 lasers to be used > simultaneously. And the machine has been tested,quite a few papers > about it have been published. Is it the cost price that deters most of > us, or do most of us not see enough pediatric patients to justify the > investment? I'm just wondering (and trying to decide if I will buy > one...) Tom. Tom, I see several areas for routine use of an effective laser, but most of them do not apply to the type of clinical AP work that I do. Therefore, I rarely need to use one. I work Mon-Fri as a research vet for the state agricultural research service. After hours, and on Saturdays, I treat a few horses, dogs and adult humans in a very specialised (mainly pain and lameness) AP practice. Therefore, my practice is a far cry from a broad-based " treat- everything-that-shows-up " routine vet- (or human)- type practice. IMO, clear indications for routine laser use include: 1. Pediatric practice (as Tom mentioned). 2. Practice that includes very nervous, shock-prone, or dangerous patients (cats, zoo-animals, vicious horses, kicking cows, etc, etc. 3. Bird practice (a few vets specialise in avian acupuncture, with great results) 4. Microzone AP (Ear AP, Korean-Hand-AP, Footzone AP, Nose-, Face- , Forehead- & Scalp AP, etc) and Ting (JIng) Point AP. 4. Routine post-surgical wound care, superficial lesions (skin ulcers, herpes lesions, chronic wounds, etc), haematomas, periostitides, tendinitis, joint sprains, etc. If the patient can tolerate needles, simple AP is effective in these cases. However, if needling is problematic, lasers are an effective substitute. So, Tom is right: if the type of practice that you have involves many patients for whom needling is problematic, then the cost of a powerful laser can be justified easily. To ensure that irradiation time is minimised but clinically effective, make sure that the laser output power is strong enough to activate the local affected tissues, or the AP (Jing-Luo) network. This usually means using class 3B lasers, emitting at mean output power >100mW (and up to 600mW or more for cluster probes. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 To ensure that irradiation time is minimised but clinically effective, make sure that the laser output power is strong enough to activate the local affected tissues, or the AP (Jing-Luo) network. This usually means using class 3B lasers, emitting at mean output power >100mW (and up to 600mW or more for cluster probes. Best regards, (Tom) Yesterday I went to a demonstration of the laser apparatus I talked about before (http://www.laserneedle.at/). So this machine has 8 lasers that are taped to the body. The output of one laser is 35mW, but the machine has a programmable timer (up to 30 mins) so there is more than enough Joule for a therapeutic effect. 8 lasers= 8 points that receive a very good stimulation. We tried it and even after two minutes we could feel an effect at Hegu Li4. The machine has many pre-programmed frequencies, including those of Nogier. However, only two have been scientifically verified to have an effect (one of them is specifically antalgic). I believe the wavelength is 685 nm. I now have a little book here- written by the two professors that designed this Laserneedle machine (prof. Schikora and Litscher). One of them is purely a scientist, specialized in lasers. I'm impressed by the quality of their research. It's in German though many of their studies can be found through Pubmed. The guy who demonstrated it told us he had a 30 to 40% increase in patients after he started using the machine. There just is no pain anymore, and people like that. And they still feel the effects of an acupuncture treatment. Of course he was trying to sell a machine, but still I think this machine has possibilities. Regards, Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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