Pulses and psychic?

[Guest guest]

I personally feel that pulse diagnosis requires a refined sense much

like that of a master wine taster who can distinguish the vineyard and

year of a wine just by the taste. To an uneducated observer such a wine

taster would appear almost " psychic " .

 

I'm sure most of us have heard stories of pulse masters diagnosing both

physical and emotional problems to an accuracy that is astonishing. In

my opinion pulse diagnosis is both a science (which can be taught) and

an art (which one must discover on their own). The basics of pulse

diagnosis is easily taught, while the subtleties require both years of

practice and in my opinion, a developed sense of intuition and

sensitivity to Qi. A Westerner might call this intuition and

sensitivity " psychic " , and in the end maybe they really mean the same

thing.

 

I am no where near a pulse master, but when I do pulses I do it on two

levels and I will often ask my patient if they would like me to tell

them about both. The first level is taking the pulse using TCM theory.

The second level is I imagine myself in an empty movie theater and look

up at the blank screen. Spontaneous images will appear and sometimes

whole stories will play out. It may be the result of my imagination,

but I often get information that is meaningful to the patient even when

it makes no sense to me at all. For example, I had a patent recently

where I got an image of her needing to walk very carefully to avoid

stepping on snails. It made no sense at all to me, but when I told her,

she said that her father and her used to collect snails and it had a

clear relevance to the reason she was seeking treatment. I'm not at a

place to always use this information in my treatments, but they are

often quite intriguing!

 

I'm learning to trust such images more and more even when they make

absolutely no sense to my rational mind. I don't consider myself

psychic, but I do believe that our patients whole history and everything

that is wrong with them is in their energy and pulse, and by refining

our ability to read this information, we can greatly increase our

ability to diagnose and treat. If the information is there and people

have the ability to sense it, is it really " psychic " or just a highly

refined sense?

 

Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

Oasis Acupuncture

http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte

Suite D-35

Scottsdale, AZ 85258

(480) 991-3650

 

 

[zrosenbe]

Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:58 AM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Re: Consensus on Applied Kineseology?

 

 

Pulse diagnosis of Chinese medicine does not belong with 'psychic

phenomena'. It is an often surprisingly accurate method of diagnosis,

and has been documented by specific criteria since the Nei Jing. It

has been used by generations of practitioners, many who recorded their

findings in the case history literature. While one can use the pulse

in a 'psychic' way, it is certainly not designed that way in the

context of Chinese medicine.

 

 

 

On Mar 1, 2005, at 7:39 PM, wrote:

 

> IMO, AK is in the realm of psychic phenomena (like pulse diagnosis

> (TCM or VAS Pulses), dowsing/divining, or visualisation/mind

> travelling).

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello Christopher: I agree with you. I depend upon the pulse diagnosis to find

out things the patient has not told me about. It is absolutely not a psychic

ability but does take some mastering. It is possible Z'ev has not had this

training and would therefore be sceptical about it. I was at the beginning of my

training too. Not now though, as it is where I begin to ask questions and check

it after treatment for the changes.I feel it a necessary ability to practice

TCM. William A. Brown Dr.AC., DCM

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I think you misunderstood my post. Anyone who knows my work is aware

that I think of pulse diagnosis as the essential discipline in

diagnosing and treating patients. I am actually (very slowly) writing

a book on Nan Jing pulse diagnosis as we speak.

 

 

On Mar 3, 2005, at 12:43 PM, WILLIAM ACUPUNCT wrote:

 

> Hello Christopher: I agree with you. I depend upon the pulse diagnosis

> to find out things the patient has not told me about. It is absolutely

> not a psychic ability but does take some mastering. It is possible

> Z'ev has not had this training and would therefore be sceptical about

> it. I was at the beginning of my training too. Not now though, as it

> is where I begin to ask questions and check it after treatment for the

> changes.I feel it a necessary ability to practice TCM.

> William A. Brown Dr.AC., DCM

[Guest guest]

Hello Z'ev: Sorry for the missunderstanding. When you stated that it was in the

psychic catagory it rang a few bells.W.A. Brown

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Misunderstandings are part and parcel of the e-mail experience. No

problem. Just wanted to clear that up.

 

 

On Mar 6, 2005, at 12:59 PM, WILLIAM ACUPUNCT wrote:

 

>

> Hello Z'ev: Sorry for the missunderstanding. When you stated that it

> was in the psychic catagory it rang a few bells.W.A. Brown