Attn: Doc...Health and irate family member..ugh!!

[Guest guest]

Dear Doc and all....

 

I'm FUMING mad...

I recently sent your MOST EXCELLENT article "The Dwindling Spiral of Disease" to my sisters as we feel my mother needs a wake up call (she's killing herself w/ her fork and knife....aka...gluttony induced diabetes, high blood pressure, depression, etc.)

 

All of my sisters...BUT ONE..agreed that you were "right on".

 

My one irate sister told told me that the article was "extreme" (as in how??) and "over the top" and that "you weren't a "reeeeeeeeeeal doctor".

 

Being that she knows it all (she's a teaching nurse and her husband is supposedly a reeeeeeeeeeal medical doctor..yeah, right!) I'm supposed to take her "opinion" as gospel truth and final answer.

 

Now..I really, really want to "stay close" with her...we've been sisters for 38 years and all...LOL..but..she's probably made me more irate than when we had the "homeschooling is for religious idiots" debate (yeah, we are so "alternative" and PROUD of it!).

 

HOW would YOU handle this? I'm sure you and the fellow list members run up against this issue in the "health" arena.

 

Peace, Good health and non-hostile family members for all...

Wendy :-)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Wendy,

 

of my family of 10, only one sister had ever tried alternative remedies and is interested in them!

 

I have had to learn the hard way that you simply cannot force people to see what you see. You have to grant them the right to do things their way, no matter how wrong you think it is. I'm of course not talking about doing illegal or criminal things LOL.

 

However. I also discovered that some felt I was talking with them as though I was right and they were wrong; which I did, and which immediately made them very defensive towards my communications. Now, I am much more light and easy about it; I can tell them things now without arguments, as I simply tell them something, and if they don't agree, I tell them that's fine.

 

So if you perhaps look over HOW you are communicating your ideas to them, that might help.

 

love

Lisa

 

-

amensister

herbal remedies

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:04 PM

Herbal Remedies - Attn: Doc...Health and irate family member..ugh!!

 

Dear Doc and all....

 

I'm FUMING mad...

I recently sent your MOST EXCELLENT article "The Dwindling Spiral of Disease" to my sisters as we feel my mother needs a wake up call (she's killing herself w/ her fork and knife....aka...gluttony induced diabetes, high blood pressure, depression, etc.)

 

All of my sisters...BUT ONE..agreed that you were "right on".

[Guest guest]

Dear Fuming :-) LMAO,

 

Welcome to the "Ya kin lead a Horse ta Water, but ya cain't make 'im drink" (or my personal Herbal favorite), "Ya kin lead a Whore ta Culture (horticulture:), but ya cain't make her think" mentality.

 

Wendy, sometimes the best is simply not to get into an argument with these types but to just ignore or just agree with tongue in cheek. You say, "Look at all those accomplishments and certificates on that wall" and they say, "What wall???" LOL

 

I've found that some very successful approaches to these guys is to 1. withdraw completely on a subject, or 2. actually agree with everything they say, and then walk away. Your sister says, "You know, that Doc Shillington is not a real Doctor", and you say, "Yeah, you're right! He's a real fraud who doesn't know anything at all, and the thousands of people he's helped are only an illusionary accident". Then immediately change the subject or walk away and watch the fireworks. Whatever approach you try, you must NOT get serious about it. Another approach that works is to 3. laugh at her. She says, "You know, Naturopathy is a scam". Start laughing. Don't say a word, just start laughing and get louder and more raucous as you do so until you are weeping with tears of laughter. Then just turn around and walk away while shaking your head. Trust me, she won't be able to have this and will actually (and maybe for the first time) may actually get in comm with you. The last thing you want to do is get into a pissing contest with her. These just don't work. Sooooooooo, you've got the, "I love ya Sis, but I just don't want to talk to YOU about these things, and I'd appreciate it if you don't bring it up" approach or "Yah, yer right Sis, and Medical Doctors are just soooooo good and spot on all the time and the drugs they dispense are just the greatest gift to man and they are gods, and . . . " or you just start laughing at her when she gets argumentative.

 

Probably the most obvious but least acknowledged barrier to learning any given subject is thinking that one knows it already. You just can't teach a person who knows it all.

 

I have two sisters (both of them far older than me and I'm 60 ;-) and neither has ever asked me for any help when it comes to their families' physical problems. They're falling apart and I'm even healthier than their kids, but I'm just the youngest in the family who don't know nothin' LOL. They still see me as their baby brother and I guess at this stage of the game that'll never change.

 

Soooooooooooooooo, I just love 'em and keep my comm to them fair roads / good weather without ever bringing up anything serious.

 

What else can I really do??? I tried the butt th' head approach years ago, and all that did was antagonize 'em.

 

Hopefully the above will give you some ammunition. LOL

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

-

amensister

herbal remedies

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:04 PM

Herbal Remedies - Attn: Doc...Health and irate family member..ugh!!

 

Dear Doc and all....

 

I'm FUMING mad...

I recently sent your MOST EXCELLENT article "The Dwindling Spiral of Disease" to my sisters as we feel my mother needs a wake up call (she's killing herself w/ her fork and knife....aka...gluttony induced diabetes, high blood pressure, depression, etc.)

 

All of my sisters...BUT ONE..agreed that you were "right on".

 

My one irate sister told told me that the article was "extreme" (as in how??) and "over the top" and that "you weren't a "reeeeeeeeeeal doctor".

 

Being that she knows it all (she's a teaching nurse and her husband is supposedly a reeeeeeeeeeal medical doctor..yeah, right!) I'm supposed to take her "opinion" as gospel truth and final answer.

 

Now..I really, really want to "stay close" with her...we've been sisters for 38 years and all...LOL..but..she's probably made me more irate than when we had the "homeschooling is for religious idiots" debate (yeah, we are so "alternative" and PROUD of it!).

 

HOW would YOU handle this? I'm sure you and the fellow list members run up against this issue in the "health" arena.

 

Peace, Good health and non-hostile family members for all...

Wendy :-)

[Guest guest]

hi lisa,

well put! i have the same, but i'm not going to try anymore, all

that is happening is angry, upset people. even if they are dying,

they will not except it.......... so, i have tried, it is up to them

to figure it out......etc,etc. i have peace with it now, but

sometimes still get a bit annoyed when people just don't want to

understand... i don't get that talk to the hand thing (O; hee hee(

big grin ) rik

 

 

> Hi Wendy,

>

> of my family of 10, only one sister had ever tried alternative

remedies and is interested in them!

>

> I have had to learn the hard way that you simply cannot force

people to see what you see. You have to grant them the right to do

things their way, no matter how wrong you think it is. I'm of course

not talking about doing illegal or criminal things LOL.

>

> However. I also discovered that some felt I was talking with them

as though I was right and they were wrong; which I did, and which

immediately made them very defensive towards my communications. Now,

I am much more light and easy about it; I can tell them things now

without arguments, as I simply tell them something, and if they

don't agree, I tell them that's fine.

>

> So if you perhaps look over HOW you are communicating your ideas

to them, that might help.

>

> love

> Lisa

> -

> amensister

> herbal remedies

> Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:04 PM

> Herbal Remedies - Attn: Doc...Health and irate family

member..ugh!!

>

>

> Dear Doc and all....

>

> I'm FUMING mad...

> I recently sent your MOST EXCELLENT article " The Dwindling

Spiral of Disease " to my sisters as we feel my mother needs a wake

up call (she's killing herself w/ her fork and

knife....aka...gluttony induced diabetes, high blood pressure,

depression, etc.)

>

> All of my sisters...BUT ONE..agreed that you were " right on " .

[Guest guest]

 

Welcome to the "Ya kin lead a Horse ta Water, but ya cain't make 'im drink" (or my personal Herbal favorite), "Ya kin lead a Whore ta Culture (horticulture:), but ya cain't make her think" mentality.

-----------------I guess I need to take that ol' but true adage to heart! The whore ta culture thing is a new one though..quite catchy if I must say so myself ;-0.

 

 

Wendy, sometimes the best is simply not to get into an argument with these types but to just ignore or just agree with tongue in cheek. You say, "Look at all those accomplishments and certificates on that wall" and they say, "What wall???" LOL

------------------Good one!

 

I've found that some very successful approaches to these guys is to 1. withdraw completely on a

------------I'm mostly Irish...we don't withdraw easily. LOL

 

subject, or 2. actually agree with everything they say, and then walk away. Your sister says, "You

----------------Siblings agreeing? LOL. Yeah, I guess it could be a GOOD approach! I should try it!

 

know, that Doc Shillington is not a real Doctor", and you say, "Yeah, you're right! He's a real fraud who doesn't know anything at all, and the thousands of people he's helped are only an illusionary accident". Then immediately change the subject or walk away and watch the fireworks. Whatever

--------------------------ooooooooooooooh...now you're talkin'!

 

approach you try, you must NOT get serious about it. Another approach that works is to 3. laugh at

------Most of the time I'm as serious as a heart attack..guess I need to lighten it up a bit!

 

her. She says, "You know, Naturopathy is a scam". Start laughing. Don't say a word, just start laughing and get louder and more raucous as you do so until you are weeping with tears of laughter. Then just turn around and walk away while shaking your head. Trust me, she won't be

------------Oh,my...<sinister laugh>...this could actually be quite fun! ;-0

 

able to have this and will actually (and maybe for the first time) may actually get in comm with you. The last thing you want to do is get into a pissing contest with her. These just don't work.

-----------------Yes, pissing matches are more for the male gender ;-0

(I can say this as a mother of 9 boys and 1 girl!)

 

Sooooooooo, you've got the, "I love ya Sis, but I just don't want to talk to YOU about these things, and I'd appreciate it if you don't bring it up" approach or "Yah, yer right Sis, and Medical Doctors are just soooooo good and spot on all the time and the drugs they dispense are just the greatest gift to man and they are gods, and . . . " or you just start laughing at her when she gets argumentative.

-----What? They're not gods??? <gasp> But..but..my brother in law acts the part so well as he dispenses his little slips of white paper to the ol' folks! Gosh..I lack the words to continue speaking...er, typing ;-0

 

Probably the most obvious but least acknowledged barrier to learning any given subject is thinking that one knows it already. You just can't teach a person who knows it all.

----------I guess I don't know nothin' ...I'm learnin' LOTS here ;-).

 

 

I have two sisters (both of them far older than me and I'm 60 ;-) and neither has ever asked me for any help when it comes to their families' physical problems. They're falling apart and I'm even healthier than their kids, but I'm just the youngest in the family who don't know nothin' LOL. They still see me as their baby brother and I guess at this stage of the game that'll never change.

---------I'm the oldest so they should listen to me, damnnit! ;-0 They do call me when their children are sick ....I swear that what I tell them goes in one ear and out the other as they dispense the Tylenol while I'm talking to them <sigh>..... are they trying to torture me? LOL Should have heard their hysterical laughing when my kids told 'em we use Cod liver oil..you would have thought I was giving all a shot of Jack Daniels for breakfast!

 

Soooooooooooooooo, I just love 'em and keep my comm to them fair roads / good weather without ever bringing up anything serious.

-----------I love 'em..even though they are over-edumacated "sheeple". Good advice, Doc!

 

What else can I really do??? I tried the butt th' head approach years ago, and all that did was antagonize 'em.

--------------I'll take your wise advice and save my head from the pain of butting it any further!

You just saved me a whole lotta stress!

And this is yet ANOTHER reason I love this list.

I've been on a million and think I finally found the RIGHT ONE!

 

Hopefully the above will give you some ammunition. LOL

---------Bang!

 

Love back at ya..

Wendy and the crew

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the advice, Lisa. I tend to be PASSIONATE when there is something I believe to be true.

Not pushy..just passionate..but, now that I think about it...there is a FINE line ;-0.

 

My kiddo's will benefit from this passion...as will my dear husband..and that is what truly counts.

I think I'll keep my yapper shut (oh, so hard to do!).

 

I'm off to check on the organic chickens simmering in the crock pot:-)..

 

Peace and Good health to all..

Wendy

 

 

> Hi Wendy,> > of my family of 10, only one sister had ever tried alternative remedies and is interested in them!> > I have had to learn the hard way that you simply cannot force people to see what you see. You have to grant them the right to do things their way, no matter how wrong you think it is. I'm of course not talking about doing illegal or criminal things LOL.> > However. I also discovered that some felt I was talking with them as though I was right and they were wrong; which I did, and which immediately made them very defensive towards my communications. Now, I am much more light and easy about it; I can tell them things now without arguments, as I simply tell them something, and if they don't agree, I tell them that's fine. > > So if you perhaps look over HOW you are communicating your ideas to them, that might help.> > love> Lisa> -

[Guest guest]

Well put, my god I have run into those hurdles. From people seeing my body losing control to someone now in good health by everything that I follow. Those people think I am insane. I tried the whole medical route and that was the start of making me sicker. Does'nt make much sense. I wish I would found a group like this with like minded people that I could of aired to when I needed it most.

I was listened to a Dr. Wayne Dyer tape and he talked a little about this type of healing and his example was,"You can read a book about swimming but you will never know how until you do it." Same with this type of healing, if you don't try it you will never know. But it has to start with a belief.

Gina

"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote:

 

Dear Fuming :-) LMAO,

 

Welcome to the "Ya kin lead a Horse ta Water, but ya cain't make 'im drink" (or my personal Herbal favorite), "Ya kin lead a Whore ta Culture (horticulture:), but ya cain't make her think" mentality.

 

Wendy, sometimes the best is simply not to get into an argument with these types but to just ignore or just agree with tongue in cheek. You say, "Look at all those accomplishments and certificates on that wall" and they say, "What wall???" LOL

 

I've found that some very successful approaches to these guys is to 1. withdraw completely on a subject, or 2. actually agree with everything they say, and then walk away. Your sister says, "You know, that Doc Shillington is not a real Doctor", and you say, "Yeah, you're right! He's a real fraud who doesn't know anything at all, and the thousands of people he's helped are only an illusionary accident". Then immediately change the subject or walk away and watch the fireworks. Whatever approach you try, you must NOT get serious about it. Another approach that works is to 3. laugh at her. She says, "You know, Naturopathy is a scam". Start laughing. Don't say a word, just start laughing and get louder and more raucous as you do so until you are weeping with tears of laughter. Then just turn around and walk away while shaking your

head. Trust me, she won't be able to have this and will actually (and maybe for the first time) may actually get in comm with you. The last thing you want to do is get into a pissing contest with her. These just don't work. Sooooooooo, you've got the, "I love ya Sis, but I just don't want to talk to YOU about these things, and I'd appreciate it if you don't bring it up" approach or "Yah, yer right Sis, and Medical Doctors are just soooooo good and spot on all the time and the drugs they dispense are just the greatest gift to man and they are gods, and . . . " or you just start laughing at her when she gets argumentative.

 

Probably the most obvious but least acknowledged barrier to learning any given subject is thinking that one knows it already. You just can't teach a person who knows it all.

 

I have two sisters (both of them far older than me and I'm 60 ;-) and neither has ever asked me for any help when it comes to their families' physical problems. They're falling apart and I'm even healthier than their kids, but I'm just the youngest in the family who don't know nothin' LOL. They still see me as their baby brother and I guess at this stage of the game that'll never change.

 

Soooooooooooooooo, I just love 'em and keep my comm to them fair roads / good weather without ever bringing up anything serious.

 

What else can I really do??? I tried the butt th' head approach years ago, and all that did was antagonize 'em.

 

Hopefully the above will give you some ammunition. LOL

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

-

amensister

herbal remedies

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:04 PM

Herbal Remedies - Attn: Doc...Health and irate family member..ugh!!

 

Dear Doc and all....

 

I'm FUMING mad...

I recently sent your MOST EXCELLENT article "The Dwindling Spiral of Disease" to my sisters as we feel my mother needs a wake up call (she's killing herself w/ her fork and knife....aka...gluttony induced diabetes, high blood pressure, depression, etc.)

 

All of my sisters...BUT ONE..agreed that you were "right on".

 

My one irate sister told told me that the article was "extreme" (as in how??) and "over the top" and that "you weren't a "reeeeeeeeeeal doctor".

 

Being that she knows it all (she's a teaching nurse and her husband is supposedly a reeeeeeeeeeal medical doctor..yeah, right!) I'm supposed to take her "opinion" as gospel truth and final answer.

 

Now..I really, really want to "stay close" with her...we've been sisters for 38 years and all...LOL..but..she's probably made me more irate than when we had the "homeschooling is for religious idiots" debate (yeah, we are so "alternative" and PROUD of it!).

 

HOW would YOU handle this? I'm sure you and the fellow list members run up against this issue in the "health" arena.

 

Peace, Good health and non-hostile family members for all...

Wendy :-)

Start your day with - make it your home page

[Guest guest]

Hmmm...I'd like to ask the whitecoats,

 

Just what constitutes a *REAL* doctor???? Someone who can heal the

sick, or someone who keeps them just healthy enough to be able to

work to pay for the meds, but sick enough to keep them coming back???

 

What's a REAL doctor??? Someone who treats sickness with yet more

poison, or someone who actually takes care of a health condition???

 

I have done more for myself through research without even so much as

an Associate of Science degree (though that's coming at the end of

the month now that I've finished up my summer session classes) than

a medical doctor with 8-12 years of so-called " education " have EVER

done for me in my almost 28 years!

 

How many times have you heard there's no cure for chronic clinical

depression? I was diagnosed in 1991 (there really WAS a problem),

and I was off and on meds for 11 years, with no relief. A major

dietary overhaul at 25, and I've been antidepressant-FREE for 3 yrs,

with very mild, if ANY, depression. (And I think the mild is

normal, because it only shows itself when I'm very over-stressed or

about to start my monthly cycle.)

 

How many times have you heard that acne isn't related to diet?

Well, I have news. I had acne till I changed my diet at 25. Then

it went away.

 

And as we speak, I'm battling with eczema (yet one more thing that

doctors arrogantly insist there's no cure for), but I'm starting to

win...keep your fingers crossed...

 

Hugs,

--Jeni-Laura aka Jyoti

 

PS: In case it wasn't apparent yet, I'm pretty passionate, too

Let all of us unite! <grin>

 

herbal remedies , " Wendy Cukierski "

<amensister@e...> wrote:

> Thanks for the advice, Lisa. I tend to be PASSIONATE when there

is something I believe to be true.

> Not pushy..just passionate..but, now that I think about it...there

is a FINE line ;-0.

>

> My kiddo's will benefit from this passion...as will my dear

husband..and that is what truly counts.

> I think I'll keep my yapper shut (oh, so hard to do!).

>

> I'm off to check on the organic chickens simmering in the crock

pot:-)..

>

> Peace and Good health to all..

> Wendy

[Guest guest]

Hi Wendy,

 

hehehe, I know exactly what you mean! I'm the same LOL

 

love

Lisa

 

-

Wendy Cukierski

herbal remedies

Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:02 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Attn: Doc...Health and irate family member..ugh!!

 

Thanks for the advice, Lisa. I tend to be PASSIONATE when there is something I believe to be true.

Not pushy..just passionate..but, now that I think about it...there is a FINE line ;-0.

 

My kiddo's will benefit from this passion...as will my dear husband..and that is what truly counts.

I think I'll keep my yapper shut (oh, so hard to do!).

 

I'm off to check on the organic chickens simmering in the crock pot:-)..

[Guest guest]

Good for you Jyoti.

 

You may wish to do some extra Kidney work to help clear up the rest of your skin problems. When the Kidneys are not functioning at peak performance, your body will use your Skin as a back-up elimination organ and can cause the persistence of and propagation of Eczema. Some serious Kidney Cleansing used in conjunction with Doc Christopher's Jojoba 9% Tea Tree Oil Formula can work wonders on Eczema.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

-

supervixen08

herbal remedies

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:50 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Attn: Doc...Health and irate family member..ugh!!

Hmmm...I'd like to ask the whitecoats,Just what constitutes a *REAL* doctor???? Someone who can heal the sick, or someone who keeps them just healthy enough to be able to work to pay for the meds, but sick enough to keep them coming back???What's a REAL doctor??? Someone who treats sickness with yet more poison, or someone who actually takes care of a health condition???I have done more for myself through research without even so much as an Associate of Science degree (though that's coming at the end of the month now that I've finished up my summer session classes) than a medical doctor with 8-12 years of so-called "education" have EVER done for me in my almost 28 years!How many times have you heard there's no cure for chronic clinical depression? I was diagnosed in 1991 (there really WAS a problem), and I was off and on meds for 11 years, with no relief. A major dietary overhaul at 25, and I've been antidepressant-FREE for 3 yrs, with very mild, if ANY, depression. (And I think the mild is normal, because it only shows itself when I'm very over-stressed or about to start my monthly cycle.)How many times have you heard that acne isn't related to diet? Well, I have news. I had acne till I changed my diet at 25. Then it went away.And as we speak, I'm battling with eczema (yet one more thing that doctors arrogantly insist there's no cure for), but I'm starting to win...keep your fingers crossed...Hugs,--Jeni-Laura aka JyotiPS: In case it wasn't apparent yet, I'm pretty passionate, too Let all of us unite! <grin>herbal remedies , "Wendy Cukierski" <amensister@e...> wrote:> Thanks for the advice, Lisa. I tend to be PASSIONATE when there is something I believe to be true. > Not pushy..just passionate..but, now that I think about it...there is a FINE line ;-0.> > My kiddo's will benefit from this passion...as will my dear husband..and that is what truly counts.> I think I'll keep my yapper shut (oh, so hard to do!).> > I'm off to check on the organic chickens simmering in the crock pot:-)..> > Peace and Good health to all..> Wendy

[Guest guest]

wow, i thought i had a rough time (O: haha,

 

one more for giggles. i listened to this family friend who had

trouble with gaining weight and eating. i suggested a couple of

this and everyone got pissed off at me for just saying that......

wrong foods? is a bad thing to talk about? get this, two of them are

universety proffessors and i think they are fine folks, however, his

one character told me that hormones get killed in the stomach acid

and people are not getting fat from milk/meats. so i might be wrong

thinking this, but how about all these articles on the internet

proofing this and that......... my wife says, they are just people

on the intenet, blah blah , blah, so this is not *legit*

information?? i wonder where she got so knowledgable.... i think the

net is an awsome library......... don't get me wrong, i love her

like mad, she is a cool girl and sweet as can be, but sometimes

these dumbarguments make me madder as heck......not trying to be

difficult here, i just am (O:

 

greetz, rik

> Dear Fuming :-) LMAO,

>

> Welcome to the " Ya kin lead a Horse ta Water, but ya cain't

make 'im drink " (or my personal Herbal favorite), " Ya kin lead a

Whore ta Culture (horticulture:), but ya cain't make her think "

mentality.

>

> Wendy, sometimes the best is simply not to get into an argument

with these types but to just ignore or just agree with tongue in

cheek. You say, " Look at all those accomplishments and certificates

on that wall " and they say, " What wall??? " LOL

>

> I've found that some very successful approaches to these guys is

to 1. withdraw completely on a subject, or 2. actually agree with

everything they say, and then walk away. Your sister says, " You

know, that Doc Shillington is not a real Doctor " , and you

say, " Yeah, you're right! He's a real fraud who doesn't know

anything at all, and the thousands of people he's helped are only an

illusionary accident " . Then immediately change the subject or walk

away and watch the fireworks. Whatever approach you try, you must

NOT get serious about it. Another approach that works is to 3.

laugh at her. She says, " You know, Naturopathy is a scam " . Start

laughing. Don't say a word, just start laughing and get louder and

more raucous as you do so until you are weeping with tears of

laughter. Then just turn around and walk away while shaking your

head. Trust me, she won't be able to have this and will actually

(and maybe for the first time) may actually get in comm with you.

The last thing you want to do is get into a pissing contest with

her. These just don't work. Sooooooooo, you've got the, " I love ya

Sis, but I just don't want to talk to YOU about these things, and

I'd appreciate it if you don't bring it up " approach or " Yah, yer

right Sis, and Medical Doctors are just soooooo good and spot on all

the time and the drugs they dispense are just the greatest gift to

man and they are gods, and . . . " or you just start laughing at her

when she gets argumentative.

>

> Probably the most obvious but least acknowledged barrier to

learning any given subject is thinking that one knows it already.

You just can't teach a person who knows it all.

>

> I have two sisters (both of them far older than me and I'm 60 ;-)

and neither has ever asked me for any help when it comes to their

families' physical problems. They're falling apart and I'm even

healthier than their kids, but I'm just the youngest in the family

who don't know nothin' LOL. They still see me as their baby

brother and I guess at this stage of the game that'll never change.

>

> Soooooooooooooooo, I just love 'em and keep my comm to them fair

roads / good weather without ever bringing up anything serious.

>

> What else can I really do??? I tried the butt th' head approach

years ago, and all that did was antagonize 'em.

>

> Hopefully the above will give you some ammunition. LOL

>

> Love,

>

> Doc

>

> Doc Shillington

> 727-447-5282

> Doc@A...

>

[Guest guest]

Does that include acne too?"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote:

 

Good for you Jyoti.

 

You may wish to do some extra Kidney work to help clear up the rest of your skin problems. When the Kidneys are not functioning at peak performance, your body will use your Skin as a back-up elimination organ and can cause the persistence of and propagation of Eczema. Some serious Kidney Cleansing used in conjunction with Doc Christopher's Jojoba 9% Tea Tree Oil Formula can work wonders on Eczema.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

-

supervixen08

herbal remedies

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:50 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Attn: Doc...Health and irate family member..ugh!!

Hmmm...I'd like to ask the whitecoats,Just what constitutes a *REAL* doctor???? Someone who can heal the sick, or someone who keeps them just healthy enough to be able to work to pay for the meds, but sick enough to keep them coming back???What's a REAL doctor??? Someone who treats sickness with yet more poison, or someone who actually takes care of a health condition???I have done more for myself through research without even so much as an Associate of Science degree (though that's coming at the end of the month now that I've finished up my summer session classes) than a medical doctor with 8-12 years of so-called "education" have EVER done for me in my almost 28 years!How many times have you heard there's no cure for chronic clinical depression? I was diagnosed in 1991 (there really WAS a problem), and I was off and on meds for 11 years, with no relief. A major dietary

overhaul at 25, and I've been antidepressant-FREE for 3 yrs, with very mild, if ANY, depression. (And I think the mild is normal, because it only shows itself when I'm very over-stressed or about to start my monthly cycle.)How many times have you heard that acne isn't related to diet? Well, I have news. I had acne till I changed my diet at 25. Then it went away.And as we speak, I'm battling with eczema (yet one more thing that doctors arrogantly insist there's no cure for), but I'm starting to win...keep your fingers crossed...Hugs,--Jeni-Laura aka JyotiPS: In case it wasn't apparent yet, I'm pretty passionate, too Let all of us unite! <grin>herbal remedies , "Wendy Cukierski" <amensister@e...> wrote:> Thanks for the advice, Lisa. I tend to be PASSIONATE when there is something I believe to be true. > Not

pushy..just passionate..but, now that I think about it...there is a FINE line ;-0.> > My kiddo's will benefit from this passion...as will my dear husband..and that is what truly counts.> I think I'll keep my yapper shut (oh, so hard to do!).> > I'm off to check on the organic chickens simmering in the crock pot:-)..> > Peace and Good health to all..> Wendy

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You can always send 'em to our parent site at the Academy of Natural Healing at:

 

http://www.academyofnaturalhealing.com/

 

and have 'em listen to my free lecture there. After listening to it, if they're not interested, I'd pass on trying to get them to change. It ain't a gonna happen.

 

All you can do from that point on is simply love 'em.

 

In Health and Love,

 

Doc

 

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Gina Kopera

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:46 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Attn: Doc...Health and irate family member..ugh!!

 

Well put, my god I have run into those hurdles. From people seeing my body losing control to someone now in good health by everything that I follow. Those people think I am insane. I tried the whole medical route and that was the start of making me sicker. Does'nt make much sense. I wish I would found a group like this with like minded people that I could of aired to when I needed it most.

I was listened to a Dr. Wayne Dyer tape and he talked a little about this type of healing and his example was,"You can read a book about swimming but you will never know how until you do it." Same with this type of healing, if you don't try it you will never know. But it has to start with a belief.

Gina

"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote:

 

Dear Fuming :-) LMAO,

 

Welcome to the "Ya kin lead a Horse ta Water, but ya cain't make 'im drink" (or my personal Herbal favorite), "Ya kin lead a Whore ta Culture (horticulture:), but ya cain't make her think" mentality.

 

Wendy, sometimes the best is simply not to get into an argument with these types but to just ignore or just agree with tongue in cheek. You say, "Look at all those accomplishments and certificates on that wall" and they say, "What wall???" LOL

 

I've found that some very successful approaches to these guys is to 1. withdraw completely on a subject, or 2. actually agree with everything they say, and then walk away. Your sister says, "You know, that Doc Shillington is not a real Doctor", and you say, "Yeah, you're right! He's a real fraud who doesn't know anything at all, and the thousands of people he's helped are only an illusionary accident". Then immediately change the subject or walk away and watch the fireworks. Whatever approach you try, you must NOT get serious about it. Another approach that works is to 3. laugh at her. She says, "You know, Naturopathy is a scam". Start laughing. Don't say a word, just start laughing and get louder and more raucous as you do so until you are weeping with tears of laughter. Then just turn around and walk away while shaking your head. Trust me, she won't be able to have this and will actually (and maybe for the first time) may actually get in comm with you. The last thing you want to do is get into a pissing contest with her. These just don't work. Sooooooooo, you've got the, "I love ya Sis, but I just don't want to talk to YOU about these things, and I'd appreciate it if you don't bring it up" approach or "Yah, yer right Sis, and Medical Doctors are just soooooo good and spot on all the time and the drugs they dispense are just the greatest gift to man and they are gods, and . . . " or you just start laughing at her when she gets argumentative.

 

Probably the most obvious but least acknowledged barrier to learning any given subject is thinking that one knows it already. You just can't teach a person who knows it all.

 

I have two sisters (both of them far older than me and I'm 60 ;-) and neither has ever asked me for any help when it comes to their families' physical problems. They're falling apart and I'm even healthier than their kids, but I'm just the youngest in the family who don't know nothin' LOL. They still see me as their baby brother and I guess at this stage of the game that'll never change.

 

Soooooooooooooooo, I just love 'em and keep my comm to them fair roads / good weather without ever bringing up anything serious.

 

What else can I really do??? I tried the butt th' head approach years ago, and all that did was antagonize 'em.

 

Hopefully the above will give you some ammunition. LOL

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

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Yes it does Gina.

love

Lisa

 

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Gina Kopera

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Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:01 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Attn: Doc...Health and irate family member..ugh!!

 

Does that include acne too?"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote:

Good for you Jyoti.

 

You may wish to do some extra Kidney work to help clear up the rest of your skin problems. When the Kidneys are not functioning at peak performance, your body will use your Skin as a back-up elimination organ and can cause the persistence of and propagation of Eczema. Some serious Kidney Cleansing used in conjunction with Doc Christopher's Jojoba 9% Tea Tree Oil Formula can work wonders on Eczema.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

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supervixen08

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:50 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Attn: Doc...Health and irate family member..ugh!!

Hmmm...I'd like to ask the whitecoats,Just what constitutes a *REAL* doctor???? Someone who can heal the sick, or someone who keeps them just healthy enough to be able to work to pay for the meds, but sick enough to keep them coming back???What's a REAL doctor??? Someone who treats sickness with yet more poison, or someone who actually takes care of a health condition???I have done more for myself through research without even so much as an Associate of Science degree (though that's coming at the end of the month now that I've finished up my summer session classes) than a medical doctor with 8-12 years of so-called "education" have EVER done for me in my almost 28 years!How many times have you heard there's no cure for chronic clinical depression? I was diagnosed in 1991 (there really WAS a problem), and I was off and on meds for 11 years, with no relief. A major dietary overhaul at 25, and I've been antidepressant-FREE for 3 yrs, with very mild, if ANY, depression. (And I think the mild is normal, because it only shows itself when I'm very over-stressed or about to start my monthly cycle.)How many times have you heard that acne isn't related to diet? Well, I have news. I had acne till I changed my diet at 25. Then it went away.And as we speak, I'm battling with eczema (yet one more thing that doctors arrogantly insist there's no cure for), but I'm starting to win...keep your fingers crossed...Hugs,--Jeni-Laura aka JyotiPS: In case it wasn't apparent yet, I'm pretty passionate, too Let all of us unite! <grin>herbal remedies , "Wendy Cukierski" <amensister@e...> wrote:> Thanks for the advice, Lisa. I tend to be PASSIONATE when there is something I believe to be true. > Not pushy..just passionate..but, now that I think about it...there is a FINE line ;-0.> > My kiddo's will benefit from this passion...as will my dear husband..and that is what truly counts.> I think I'll keep my yapper shut (oh, so hard to do!).> > I'm off to check on the organic chickens simmering in the crock pot:-)..> > Peace and Good health to all..> Wendy

 

 

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Absolutely!!!

 

But sugar by itself can cause acne.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

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Gina Kopera

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Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:01 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Attn: Doc...Health and irate family member..ugh!!

 

Does that include acne too?"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote:

Good for you Jyoti.

 

You may wish to do some extra Kidney work to help clear up the rest of your skin problems. When the Kidneys are not functioning at peak performance, your body will use your Skin as a back-up elimination organ and can cause the persistence of and propagation of Eczema. Some serious Kidney Cleansing used in conjunction with Doc Christopher's Jojoba 9% Tea Tree Oil Formula can work wonders on Eczema.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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supervixen08

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:50 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Attn: Doc...Health and irate family member..ugh!!

Hmmm...I'd like to ask the whitecoats,Just what constitutes a *REAL* doctor???? Someone who can heal the sick, or someone who keeps them just healthy enough to be able to work to pay for the meds, but sick enough to keep them coming back???What's a REAL doctor??? Someone who treats sickness with yet more poison, or someone who actually takes care of a health condition???I have done more for myself through research without even so much as an Associate of Science degree (though that's coming at the end of the month now that I've finished up my summer session classes) than a medical doctor with 8-12 years of so-called "education" have EVER done for me in my almost 28 years!How many times have you heard there's no cure for chronic clinical depression? I was diagnosed in 1991 (there really WAS a problem), and I was off and on meds for 11 years, with no relief. A major dietary overhaul at 25, and I've been antidepressant-FREE for 3 yrs, with very mild, if ANY, depression. (And I think the mild is normal, because it only shows itself when I'm very over-stressed or about to start my monthly cycle.)How many times have you heard that acne isn't related to diet? Well, I have news. I had acne till I changed my diet at 25. Then it went away.And as we speak, I'm battling with eczema (yet one more thing that doctors arrogantly insist there's no cure for), but I'm starting to win...keep your fingers crossed...Hugs,--Jeni-Laura aka JyotiPS: In case it wasn't apparent yet, I'm pretty passionate, too Let all of us unite! <grin>herbal remedies , "Wendy Cukierski" <amensister@e...> wrote:> Thanks for the advice, Lisa. I tend to be PASSIONATE when there is something I believe to be true. > Not pushy..just passionate..but, now that I think about it...there is a FINE line ;-0.> > My kiddo's will benefit from this passion...as will my dear husband..and that is what truly counts.> I think I'll keep my yapper shut (oh, so hard to do!).> > I'm off to check on the organic chickens simmering in the crock pot:-)..> > Peace and Good health to all..> Wendy

 

 

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