(new title) Choosing to not vaccinate (was Hello from a new memeber)

[Guest guest]

Not vaccinating your children in the US ofA is NOT illegal..........it is your choice. My girls did get their baby shots but once I became enlightened on the effects, we did not get any of the others. WE homeschooled so it wasn't a problem. This year they have both decided to go to public school, all we had to do was sign a waiver from the health department and a waiver with the school so that IF any outbreak should occur they will require those unvaccinated to stay at home. I turned in the forms and have not had any conflict with anyone from the Health Department or from school.

I believe more and more people are chosing to not vaccinate their children.

Blessings,Marlene

 

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ABellaSoul

herbal remedies

Friday, November 04, 2005 9:00 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Hello from a New Member

 

 

 

I never got my child vaccinated and the doctor was in an uproar. Had to sign a paper so my 5 year old can go to school..it was a mess. Hubby had to print stuff out of the computer and show then why we did not believe in vaccinating our daughter. Teri

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank You for the info! Did you just go down to the health dept.?

 

GinaMarlene <MarleneLawson wrote:

 

Not vaccinating your children in the US ofA is NOT illegal..........it is your choice. My girls did get their baby shots but once I became enlightened on the effects, we did not get any of the others. WE homeschooled so it wasn't a problem. This year they have both decided to go to public school, all we had to do was sign a waiver from the health department and a waiver with the school so that IF any outbreak should occur they will require those unvaccinated to stay at home. I turned in the forms and have not had any conflict with anyone from the Health Department or from school.

I believe more and more people are chosing to not vaccinate their children.

Blessings,Marlene

 

-

ABellaSoul

herbal remedies

Friday, November 04, 2005 9:00 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Hello from a New Member

 

 

 

I never got my child vaccinated and the doctor was in an uproar. Had to sign a paper so my 5 year old can go to school..it was a mess. Hubby had to print stuff out of the computer and show then why we did not believe in vaccinating our daughter. Teri

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I can't believe in this day and age, why anyone would not want the best for their children? Once a upon a time ago, children would die from polio, diptheria etc. Here is a question for you? Did your parents care enough to have you vaccinated?

I do not have any children, but I would try not to put my children in danger. This is my opinion. And I am just voicing my opinion.Gina Kopera <ginakopera1 wrote:

 

Thank You for the info! Did you just go down to the health dept.?

 

GinaMarlene <MarleneLawson wrote:

 

Not vaccinating your children in the US ofA is NOT illegal..........it is your choice. My girls did get their baby shots but once I became enlightened on the effects, we did not get any of the others. WE homeschooled so it wasn't a problem. This year they have both decided to go to public school, all we had to do was sign a waiver from the health department and a waiver with the school so that IF any outbreak should occur they will require those unvaccinated to stay at home. I turned in the forms and have not had any conflict with anyone from the Health Department or from school.

I believe more and more people are chosing to not vaccinate their children.

Blessings,Marlene

 

-

ABellaSoul

herbal remedies

Friday, November 04, 2005 9:00 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Hello from a New Member

 

 

 

I never got my child vaccinated and the doctor was in an uproar. Had to sign a paper so my 5 year old can go to school..it was a mess. Hubby had to print stuff out of the computer and show then why we did not believe in vaccinating our daughter. Teri

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Actually, I just called my state Health Departments Office and requested a 'Vaccination Waiver' for each child and they mailed it to me. I filled it out but had to hand deliver it back to my county's office. I never heard a word about it until I received the verification letter in the mail....a sort of "certificate" to show the school. We haven't experienced any problems, so far. :-)

Blessings,Marlene

 

-

Gina Kopera

herbal remedies

Friday, November 04, 2005 12:39 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: (new title) Choosing to not vaccinate (was Hello from a new memeber)

 

Thank You for the info! Did you just go down to the health dept.?

 

GinaMarlene <MarleneLawson wrote:

[Guest guest]

Did it ever occur to you that today, we are might be

seeing the long term effects of vaccination in the

population?

 

There were no questions asked back in the 40's, 50's

and 60's. It was without question, if the doctor said

it was good for you, it must be so.

 

There is more MS, CFS, Asthma, and undiagnosed

mysterious illnesses than ever before. The difference

being that people died sooner. Today there is long

term totally debilating suffering, especially among

the medically insured, and retired who comprise a good

majority of the highly vaccinated baby boomer

generation.

 

--- trisha joradarn <sugarrcookie wrote:

 

> I can't believe in this day and age, why anyone

> would not want the best for their children? Once a

> upon a time ago, children would die from polio,

> diptheria etc. Here is a question for you? Did your

> parents care enough to have you vaccinated?

> I do not have any children, but I would try not to

> put my children in danger. This is my opinion. And I

> am just voicing my opinion.

> Gina Kopera <ginakopera1 wrote:

> Thank You for the info! Did you just go down to the

> health dept.?

>

> Gina

>

> Marlene <MarleneLawson wrote:

> Not vaccinating your children in the US ofA is NOT

> illegal..........it is your choice. My girls did

> get their baby shots but once I became enlightened

> on the effects, we did not get any of the others.

> WE homeschooled so it wasn't a problem. This year

> they have both decided to go to public school, all

> we had to do was sign a waiver from the health

> department and a waiver with the school so that IF

> any outbreak should occur they will require those

> unvaccinated to stay at home. I turned in the forms

> and have not had any conflict with anyone from the

> Health Department or from school.

> I believe more and more people are chosing to not

> vaccinate their children.

> Blessings,

> Marlene

> -

> ABellaSoul

> herbal remedies

> Friday, November 04, 2005 9:00 AM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Hello from a New

> Member

>

>

> I never got my child vaccinated and the doctor was

> in an uproar. Had to sign a paper so my 5 year old

> can go to school..it was a mess. Hubby had to print

> stuff out of the computer and show then why we did

> not believe in vaccinating our daughter. Teri

 

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> one click.

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the

> following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

> before using any natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

> your own physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome

> to post here as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are

> exactly that, and any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so

> at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting

> advice or products from list members, you are

> agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

> the List Owner and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good for you, stick to your guns. I hate when intimidation is tried. Only if they new what we know.

 

GinaCarol Ann <saffireskyes wrote:

Additionally, if all else fails, I might mention thatvaccines can be refused based upon religious beliefs. I mention this because the laws regarding school entryrequirements/vaccinations may be different in eachstate. The family peditrician recently tried to "scare" meinto subjecting my son, a college freshmen into themenningitis vaccine. I(we)refused it and signed aschool admission wavier.While I was paying at the front desk, the Dr. took theopportunity to inform my son of possible direconsquences of NOT taking the vaccine. When I returnedto the consultation office, he actually tried to shameme in front of my son by intimating that the reason Iwas refusing the vaccine was because I didn't want paythe $125.00 cost of the shot. Upon looking at the stats afterward, the liklihood ofhim

contracting the disease is less than him gettinghit by lightening. Upon reading the possible sideeffects, I believe we made the right decision todecline. --- Gina Kopera <ginakopera1 wrote:> Thank You for the info! Did you just go down to the> health dept.?> > Gina> > Marlene <MarleneLawson wrote:> Not vaccinating your children in the US ofA is NOT> illegal..........it is your choice. My girls did> get their baby shots but once I became enlightened> on the effects, we did not get any of the others. > WE homeschooled so it wasn't a problem. This year> they have both decided to go to public school, all> we had to do was sign a waiver from the health> department and a waiver with the school so that IF> any outbreak should occur they will require those> unvaccinated to stay at home. I

turned in the forms> and have not had any conflict with anyone from the> Health Department or from school.> I believe more and more people are chosing to not> vaccinate their children.> Blessings,> Marlene> - > ABellaSoul > herbal remedies > Friday, November 04, 2005 9:00 AM> Re: Herbal Remedies - Hello from a New> Member> > > I never got my child vaccinated and the doctor was> in an uproar. Had to sign a paper so my 5 year old> can go to school..it was a mess. Hubby had to print> stuff out of the computer and show then why we did> not believe in vaccinating our daughter. Teri> > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the> following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. >

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician> before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be> your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome> to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are> exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so> at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting> advice or products from list members, you are> agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold> the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington > > > > > !

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[Guest guest]

If you do any research regarding the HepB vaccine, you will see that

the incidence of the disease is less than the incidence of adverse

reactions to the vaccine. Also, the disease is not as horrible as the

adverse reactions to the vaccine. This to me makes refusing vaccines a

" no brainer. " The goverment is not looking out for our well-being but

rather looking out for the profits of big pharma. The HepB vaccine is

now given to infants even though the only infants who are at high risk

of getting the disease are those whose mothers have HepB. The

reasoning behind giving it to infants and children is that since the

high risk population (I.V. drug users, sexually promiscious people,

etc.) is not likely to get the vaccine, they will give it to children

before they can enter a high risk group. Even this thinking is warped

since they know that the vaccine wears off in seven years so then they

need to give children a booster.

 

The difference between us getting vaccines as children and what the

children of today are given is immense. We only got a few vaccines but

children today are constantly assaulted with so many different

vaccines that they actually suppress the immune system not to mention

the toxins used to preserve the vaccines. Everyone thinks that

childhood vaccines no longer contain mercury but manufacturers were

allowed to use up their old stock and if any child receive the flu

vaccine, it definitely has mercury in it. Don't even get me started on

the bird flu hoax that has prompted the gov't to limit vaccine

manufacturers liability if something goes wrong with their product.

Why should they be immune from prosecution if they damage people with

their product.

 

 

>>Upon looking at the stats afterward, the liklihood of

him contracting the disease is less than him getting

hit by lightening. Upon reading the possible side

effects, I believe we made the right decision to

decline.<<

[Guest guest]

I was DX with MS my son epilepsy, both nerve related issues. I believe there is really only one disease, from what I have seen and people that I met, no matter if it was Aids, cancer, psoriasis, ms etc. we have all healed it the same way. I met a lady that had cancer spread throughout her body and I was talking to her 6 years later, we did the same thing, sure somethings might be different, but all the cleanses are the same old, same old.

As everything with your health there is always several things that cause one problem. Do I think it was just the vaccination that cause the problems, no I do not. Do I think it is a part of the circle, yes I do.

When I was following the medical route for treating the MS, I took a shot once a week ($200.00 a shot) because my doctor said that was my only hope, I believe she said," 30% of the people take it, it slowed there symptoms down." So I took it. I did just what the doctor order because that was the only correct thing to do, that I new and believed at the moment. Now if anyone has ever taken the shot you will no what I mean and how sick they make you feel, so then the put me on steroids to help combat the awful symptoms I was having, then depression drugs because the drug make you depressed. All of this because the shot was my only choose, only hope. Now that I have gotten rid of my MS naturally and I can see exactly what I was doing to my own body and the effects and symptoms that would follow, you mean to tell me that those $200.00 shots where going to improve my digestion and make up for all my bad eating, no. When I started taking the shots 2 months later was the

first time I lost my eyesight, it was the start of me getting worse and I kept taking it, only to keep getting worse.

So do I think vaccination work! Not really, I believe medicine may help treat , if you are lucky in some circumstances, but will it cure, ABSOLUTELY NOT. How is a chemical going to cure?

So for those that you kept reading my long winded explanation of how the way I feel, THANK YOU... If your interested in my story. Go to www.ginakopera.com

 

Gina

 

 

Carol Ann <saffireskyes wrote:

Did it ever occur to you that today, we are might beseeing the long term effects of vaccination in thepopulation?There were no questions asked back in the 40's, 50'sand 60's. It was without question, if the doctor saidit was good for you, it must be so. There is more MS, CFS, Asthma, and undiagnosedmysterious illnesses than ever before. The differencebeing that people died sooner. Today there is longterm totally debilating suffering, especially amongthe medically insured, and retired who comprise a goodmajority of the highly vaccinated baby boomergeneration. --- trisha joradarn <sugarrcookie wrote:> I can't believe in this day and age, why anyone> would not want the best for their children? Once a> upon a time ago, children would die from polio,>

diptheria etc. Here is a question for you? Did your> parents care enough to have you vaccinated?> I do not have any children, but I would try not to> put my children in danger. This is my opinion. And I> am just voicing my opinion.> Gina Kopera <ginakopera1 wrote:> Thank You for the info! Did you just go down to the> health dept.?> > Gina> > Marlene <MarleneLawson wrote:> Not vaccinating your children in the US ofA is NOT> illegal..........it is your choice. My girls did> get their baby shots but once I became enlightened> on the effects, we did not get any of the others. > WE homeschooled so it wasn't a problem. This year> they have both decided to go to public school, all> we had to do was sign a waiver from the health> department and a waiver with the school so that IF> any outbreak

should occur they will require those> unvaccinated to stay at home. I turned in the forms> and have not had any conflict with anyone from the> Health Department or from school.> I believe more and more people are chosing to not> vaccinate their children.> Blessings,> Marlene> - > ABellaSoul > herbal remedies > Friday, November 04, 2005 9:00 AM> Re: Herbal Remedies - Hello from a New> Member> > > I never got my child vaccinated and the doctor was> in an uproar. Had to sign a paper so my 5 year old> can go to school..it was a mess. Hubby had to print> stuff out of the computer and show then why we did> not believe in vaccinating our daughter. Teri> > > > > > > >

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in> one click. > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the> following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician> before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be> your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome> to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are> exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so> at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting> advice or products from list members, you are> agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold> the List Owner and

members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington > > > >

[Guest guest]

I know a lot of people believe that the government is in bed with various

entities (big pharma) being one. I however try to remember that the government

is composed of people, individual men and women, most of whom are sincerly

doing their best and what they think is necessary. My only problem is that

they think the government should tell us what is necessary for us based on

their information. There are people in bed with big pharma, but most of them

are the lobbyists who convince the lawmakers that those are good ideas.

 

Even doctors are not so much in bed with big pharma as brainwashed by big

pharma. I think most people who work in pharmaceuticals also are sincerly

doing what they think will help. Doctors textbooks are written and paid for by

the pharmaceutical companies, and medical journals are run by them.

 

I guess my point is, I think that there are more people who are victims of

brainwashing than evil conspirators.

Ramona

 

Quoting " J. Sweigart " <willow16:

 

The goverment is not looking out for our well-being but

> rather looking out for the profits of big pharma. T

[Guest guest]

Hi Gina,

Thanks for sharing your story, it speaks of great

personal success, preserverance and belief in the body

to heal. When I was growing up, ASTHMA was

virtually unheard of among my school mates, family and

neighbors. AUTISTIC children were the rare

exception. I didn't know anyone who was not at some

time reprimanded for unruly behavior in school.

 

The thought or suggestion of administering mind/ mood

altering medications such as Ritalin to us by my

parents because of undesirable behavior would have

been shocking and unacceptable to my parents. Besides,

they were middle class people without insurance and

the doctor made house calls.

 

We were allowed to mature into intelligent

successfull adults without behavior modifiers and the

stigma of learning disabled. God knows we all had

some sort of learing disability, ants in our pants,

vivid, creative imaginations, etc. It is the way of

the child.

 

Something has changed society so drastically and very

rapidly within the last 20-40 years. Suddenly, people

are developing MS, CFS etc. This may sound rather

crude, almost conspiratorial, but between the

vaccinations, OTC med and RX's it is as if we are

breeding a society of ills for ourselves, our

children and future generations.

 

Where there is/was no NEED, one can easily be

created. War is just one example of the negative.

This list and others like it are a shining examples

of the positive. The advance of technology, big

Pharma, medicine in general must create a need to

maintain the status quo of their professions and

insure the longevity of their economic futures...even

if it means vaccinations which have proven impotent or

deadly.

 

Carol Ann

 

 

--- Gina Kopera <ginakopera1 wrote:

 

> I was DX with MS my son epilepsy, both nerve

> related issues. I believe there is really only one

> disease, from what I have seen and people that I

> met, no matter if it was Aids, cancer, psoriasis, ms

> etc. we have all healed it the same way. I met a

> lady that had cancer spread throughout her body and

> I was talking to her 6 years later, we did the same

> thing, sure somethings might be different, but all

> the cleanses are the same old, same old.

> As everything with your health there is always

> several things that cause one problem. Do I think it

> was just the vaccination that cause the problems, no

> I do not. Do I think it is a part of the circle, yes

> I do.

> When I was following the medical route for treating

> the MS, I took a shot once a week ($200.00 a shot)

> because my doctor said that was my only hope, I

> believe she said, " 30% of the people take it, it

> slowed there symptoms down. " So I took it. I did

> just what the doctor order because that was the only

> correct thing to do, that I new and believed at the

> moment. Now if anyone has ever taken the shot you

> will no what I mean and how sick they make you feel,

> so then the put me on steroids to help combat the

> awful symptoms I was having, then depression drugs

> because the drug make you depressed. All of this

> because the shot was my only choose, only hope. Now

> that I have gotten rid of my MS naturally and I can

> see exactly what I was doing to my own body and the

> effects and symptoms that would follow, you mean to

> tell me that those $200.00 shots where going to

> improve my digestion and make up for all my bad

> eating, no. When I started taking the shots 2 months

> later was the first time I lost

> my eyesight, it was the start of me getting worse

> and I kept taking it, only to keep getting worse.

> So do I think vaccination work! Not really, I

> believe medicine may help treat , if you are lucky

> in some circumstances, but will it cure, ABSOLUTELY

> NOT. How is a chemical going to cure?

> So for those that you kept reading my long winded

> explanation of how the way I feel, THANK YOU... If

> your interested in my story. Go to

> www.ginakopera.com

>

> Gina

>

>

> Carol Ann <saffireskyes wrote:

> Did it ever occur to you that today, we are might be

> seeing the long term effects of vaccination in the

> population?

>

> There were no questions asked back in the 40's, 50's

> and 60's. It was without question, if the doctor

> said

> it was good for you, it must be so.

>

> There is more MS, CFS, Asthma, and undiagnosed

> mysterious illnesses than ever before. The

> difference

> being that people died sooner. Today there is long

> term totally debilating suffering, especially among

> the medically insured, and retired who comprise a

> good

> majority of the highly vaccinated baby boomer

> generation.

>

> --- trisha joradarn <sugarrcookie wrote:

>

> > I can't believe in this day and age, why anyone

> > would not want the best for their children? Once a

> > upon a time ago, children would die from polio,

> > diptheria etc. Here is a question for you? Did

> your

> > parents care enough to have you vaccinated?

> > I do not have any children, but I would try not

> to

> > put my children in danger. This is my opinion. And

> I

> > am just voicing my opinion.

> > Gina Kopera <ginakopera1 wrote:

> > Thank You for the info! Did you just go down to

> the

> > health dept.?

> >

> > Gina

> >

> > Marlene <MarleneLawson wrote:

> > Not vaccinating your children in the US ofA is NOT

> > illegal..........it is your choice. My girls did

> > get their baby shots but once I became enlightened

> > on the effects, we did not get any of the others.

> > WE homeschooled so it wasn't a problem. This year

> > they have both decided to go to public school, all

> > we had to do was sign a waiver from the health

> > department and a waiver with the school so that IF

> > any outbreak should occur they will require those

> > unvaccinated to stay at home. I turned in the

> forms

> > and have not had any conflict with anyone from the

> > Health Department or from school.

> > I believe more and more people are chosing to not

> > vaccinate their children.

> > Blessings,

> > Marlene

> > -

> > ABellaSoul

> > herbal remedies

> > Friday, November 04, 2005 9:00 AM

> > Re: Herbal Remedies - Hello from a New

> > Member

> >

> >

> > I never got my child vaccinated and the doctor was

> > in an uproar. Had to sign a paper so my 5 year old

> > can go to school..it was a mess. Hubby had to

> print

> > stuff out of the computer and show then why we did

> > not believe in vaccinating our daughter. Teri

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in

> > one click.

> >

> > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the

> > following:

> > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

> > before using any natural remedy.

> > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

> > your own physician and to

> > prescribe for your own health.

> > We are not medical doctors although MDs are

> welcome

> > to post here as long as

> > they behave themselves.

> > Any opinions put forth by the list members are

> > exactly that, and any person

> > following the advice of anyone posting here does

> so

> > at their own risk.

> > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting

> > advice or products from list members, you are

> > agreeing to

> > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

> > the List Owner and members free of any liability.

> >

> > Dr. Ian Shillington

> > Doctor of Naturopathy

> > Dr.IanShillington

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

--- ramona wrote:

 

 

>

> I guess my point is, I think that there are more

> people who are victims of

> brainwashing than evil conspirators.

> Ramona

 

 

Ramona,

Well said, and in part, I agree. There is however, an

element of the " ignorance is bliss " mentality. For

example, Ozone Therapy, was presented to Dr. Fauci of

the NIH and was summarily disregarded as useless,

ineffective, without merit. Funding consideration for

further study was never an option. It is however, well

accepted and used widely in Europe, Russia. It has

been proven to remove virus from the bloodstream,

among other benefits. Bottom line...there is no money

to be made on this type of treatment.

 

There is no money to be made from homeopathics, herbs,

 

vitamins etc. because they help people get well.

 

90% need their brains re washed, the other 10% are

Evil consipirators.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Quoting " J. Sweigart " <willow16:

>

> The goverment is not looking out for our well-being

> but

> > rather looking out for the profits of big pharma.

> T

>

>

>

>

 

 

Best regards,

Carol

 

_______________________________

Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life.

The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them.

-Al Einstein.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Carol Ann,

You mention something that has happened in the last 20 to 30 years, I can see myself what one of the huge changes are. There is alot more one parent families and both working parents, which I was one that has worked outside the home all my working life up till 6 months ago. I am very fortunate that is has worked out this way, but what a difference having me so available for my family, everyone is eating so much healthier. I would never want to change it, although it was a huge adjustment.

It is hard to juggle everyday life when you are so busy and everyone has been programed to wanting and needing everything yesterday. It is hard to find the time and we get so caught up in what has to be done.

Children that I have been around they will only eat it is it came out of a box, can or plastic. They are not exposed to healthy food. I know that is what got me to the problem of MS and my son with epilepsy. I would hardly ever buy anything from the produce section just cuz it would spoil and what a waste of money. At one time it could have gone months and maybe years before I had a fresh item from the produce section and I wonder why I got sick? But I am not writing something you don't already know and I am sure most if not all of you reading this live like that otherwise you would not be on this group, but you sure know someone that does live like that 100% of the time, it is the American way and it sure was me at one time too..

 

GinaCarol Ann <saffireskyes wrote:

Hi Gina,Thanks for sharing your story, it speaks of greatpersonal success, preserverance and belief in the bodyto heal. When I was growing up, ASTHMA wasvirtually unheard of among my school mates, family andneighbors. AUTISTIC children were the rareexception. I didn't know anyone who was not at sometime reprimanded for unruly behavior in school. The thought or suggestion of administering mind/ moodaltering medications such as Ritalin to us by myparents because of undesirable behavior would havebeen shocking and unacceptable to my parents. Besides,they were middle class people without insurance andthe doctor made house calls. We were allowed to mature into intelligentsuccessfull adults without behavior modifiers and thestigma of learning disabled. God knows we all

hadsome sort of learing disability, ants in our pants,vivid, creative imaginations, etc. It is the way ofthe child. Something has changed society so drastically and veryrapidly within the last 20-40 years. Suddenly, peopleare developing MS, CFS etc. This may sound rathercrude, almost conspiratorial, but between thevaccinations, OTC med and RX's it is as if we arebreeding a society of ills for ourselves, ourchildren and future generations. Where there is/was no NEED, one can easily becreated. War is just one example of the negative.This list and others like it are a shining examples of the positive. The advance of technology, big Pharma, medicine in general must create a need tomaintain the status quo of their professions andinsure the longevity of their economic futures...evenif it means vaccinations which have proven impotent

ordeadly. Carol Ann --- Gina Kopera <ginakopera1 wrote:> I was DX with MS my son epilepsy, both nerve> related issues. I believe there is really only one> disease, from what I have seen and people that I> met, no matter if it was Aids, cancer, psoriasis, ms> etc. we have all healed it the same way. I met a> lady that had cancer spread throughout her body and> I was talking to her 6 years later, we did the same> thing, sure somethings might be different, but all> the cleanses are the same old, same old. > As everything with your health there is always> several things that cause one problem. Do I think it> was just the vaccination that cause the problems, no> I do not. Do I think it is a part of the circle, yes> I do.> When I was following the medical route for

treating> the MS, I took a shot once a week ($200.00 a shot)> because my doctor said that was my only hope, I> believe she said," 30% of the people take it, it> slowed there symptoms down." So I took it. I did> just what the doctor order because that was the only> correct thing to do, that I new and believed at the> moment. Now if anyone has ever taken the shot you> will no what I mean and how sick they make you feel,> so then the put me on steroids to help combat the> awful symptoms I was having, then depression drugs> because the drug make you depressed. All of this> because the shot was my only choose, only hope. Now> that I have gotten rid of my MS naturally and I can> see exactly what I was doing to my own body and the> effects and symptoms that would follow, you mean to> tell me that those $200.00 shots where going to> improve my digestion and make up for all

my bad> eating, no. When I started taking the shots 2 months> later was the first time I lost> my eyesight, it was the start of me getting worse> and I kept taking it, only to keep getting worse.> So do I think vaccination work! Not really, I> believe medicine may help treat , if you are lucky> in some circumstances, but will it cure, ABSOLUTELY> NOT. How is a chemical going to cure?> So for those that you kept reading my long winded> explanation of how the way I feel, THANK YOU... If> your interested in my story. Go to> www.ginakopera.com > > Gina> > > Carol Ann <saffireskyes wrote:> Did it ever occur to you that today, we are might be> seeing the long term effects of vaccination in the> population?> > There were no questions asked back in the 40's, 50's> and 60's. It was

without question, if the doctor> said> it was good for you, it must be so. > > There is more MS, CFS, Asthma, and undiagnosed> mysterious illnesses than ever before. The> difference> being that people died sooner. Today there is long> term totally debilating suffering, especially among> the medically insured, and retired who comprise a> good> majority of the highly vaccinated baby boomer> generation. > > --- trisha joradarn <sugarrcookie wrote:> > > I can't believe in this day and age, why anyone> > would not want the best for their children? Once a> > upon a time ago, children would die from polio,> > diptheria etc. Here is a question for you? Did> your> > parents care enough to have you vaccinated?> > I do not have any children, but I would try not> to> >

put my children in danger. This is my opinion. And> I> > am just voicing my opinion.> > Gina Kopera <ginakopera1 wrote:> > Thank You for the info! Did you just go down to> the> > health dept.?> > > > Gina> > > > Marlene <MarleneLawson wrote:> > Not vaccinating your children in the US ofA is NOT> > illegal..........it is your choice. My girls did> > get their baby shots but once I became enlightened> > on the effects, we did not get any of the others. > > WE homeschooled so it wasn't a problem. This year> > they have both decided to go to public school, all> > we had to do was sign a waiver from the health> > department and a waiver with the school so that IF> > any outbreak should occur they will require those> > unvaccinated to stay at

home. I turned in the> forms> > and have not had any conflict with anyone from the> > Health Department or from school.> > I believe more and more people are chosing to not> > vaccinate their children.> > Blessings,> > Marlene> > - > > ABellaSoul > > herbal remedies > > Friday, November 04, 2005 9:00 AM> > Re: Herbal Remedies - Hello from a New> > Member> > > > > > I never got my child vaccinated and the doctor was> > in an uproar. Had to sign a paper so my 5 year old> > can go to school..it was a mess. Hubby had to> print> > stuff out of the computer and show then why we did> > not believe in vaccinating our daughter. Teri> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in> > one click. > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the> > following: > > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician> > before using any natural remedy. > > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be> > your own physician and to> > prescribe for your own health. > > We are not medical doctors although MDs are> welcome> > to post here as long as > > they behave themselves. > > Any opinions put forth by the list members are> > exactly that, and any person > > following the advice of anyone posting here does> so> > at their own risk. > > It is up to you to educate

yourself. By accepting> > advice or products from list members, you are> > agreeing to > > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold> > the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > > > Dr. Ian Shillington> > Doctor of Naturopathy> > Dr.IanShillington > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I am not familiar with MS, although I am familiar with Leukemia, on a first hand basis. I do wish however that I could have just read about it, and not have to be going through it right now, but .. oh well.

Yes, I am very familiar with injections, as I have several a day.

 

PatricaGina Kopera <ginakopera1 wrote:

 

 

I was DX with MS my son epilepsy, both nerve related issues. I believe there is really only one disease, from what I have seen and people that I met, no matter if it was Aids, cancer, psoriasis, ms etc. we have all healed it the same way. I met a lady that had cancer spread throughout her body and I was talking to her 6 years later, we did the same thing, sure somethings might be different, but all the cleanses are the same old, same old.

As everything with your health there is always several things that cause one problem. Do I think it was just the vaccination that cause the problems, no I do not. Do I think it is a part of the circle, yes I do.

When I was following the medical route for treating the MS, I took a shot once a week ($200.00 a shot) because my doctor said that was my only hope, I believe she said," 30% of the people take it, it slowed there symptoms down." So I took it. I did just what the doctor order because that was the only correct thing to do, that I new and believed at the moment. Now if anyone has ever taken the shot you will no what I mean and how sick they make you feel, so then the put me on steroids to help combat the awful symptoms I was having, then depression drugs because the drug make you depressed. All of this because the shot was my only choose, only hope. Now that I have gotten rid of my MS naturally and I can see exactly what I was doing to my own body and the effects and symptoms that would follow, you mean to tell me that those $200.00 shots where going to improve my digestion and make up for all my bad eating, no. When I started taking the shots 2 months later was the

first time I lost my eyesight, it was the start of me getting worse and I kept taking it, only to keep getting worse.

So do I think vaccination work! Not really, I believe medicine may help treat , if you are lucky in some circumstances, but will it cure, ABSOLUTELY NOT. How is a chemical going to cure?

So for those that you kept reading my long winded explanation of how the way I feel, THANK YOU... If your interested in my story. Go to www.ginakopera.com

 

Gina

 

 

Carol Ann <saffireskyes wrote:

Did it ever occur to you that today, we are might beseeing the long term effects of vaccination in thepopulation?There were no questions asked back in the 40's, 50'sand 60's. It was without question, if the doctor saidit was good for you, it must be so. There is more MS, CFS, Asthma, and undiagnosedmysterious illnesses than ever before. The differencebeing that people died sooner. Today there is longterm totally debilating suffering, especially amongthe medically insured, and retired who comprise a goodmajority of the highly vaccinated baby boomergeneration. --- trisha joradarn <sugarrcookie wrote:> I can't believe in this day and age, why anyone> would not want the best for their children? Once a> upon a time ago, children would die from polio,>

diptheria etc. Here is a question for you? Did your> parents care enough to have you vaccinated?> I do not have any children, but I would try not to> put my children in danger. This is my opinion. And I> am just voicing my opinion.> Gina Kopera <ginakopera1 wrote:> Thank You for the info! Did you just go down to the> health dept.?> > Gina> > Marlene <MarleneLawson wrote:> Not vaccinating your children in the US ofA is NOT> illegal..........it is your choice. My girls did> get their baby shots but once I became enlightened> on the effects, we did not get any of the others. > WE homeschooled so it wasn't a problem. This year> they have both decided to go to public school, all> we had to do was sign a waiver from the health> department and a waiver with the school so that IF> any outbreak

should occur they will require those> unvaccinated to stay at home. I turned in the forms> and have not had any conflict with anyone from the> Health Department or from school.> I believe more and more people are chosing to not> vaccinate their children.> Blessings,> Marlene> - > ABellaSoul > herbal remedies > Friday, November 04, 2005 9:00 AM> Re: Herbal Remedies - Hello from a New> Member> > > I never got my child vaccinated and the doctor was> in an uproar. Had to sign a paper so my 5 year old> can go to school..it was a mess. Hubby had to print> stuff out of the computer and show then why we did> not believe in vaccinating our daughter. Teri> > > > > > > >

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in> one click. > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the> following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician> before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be> your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome> to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are> exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so> at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting> advice or products from list members, you are> agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold> the List Owner and

members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington > > > >

[Guest guest]

Oh, I agree with that 100%. There are none so blind as will not see!

Ramona

 

Quoting Carol Ann <saffireskyes:

 

>

>

> --- ramona wrote:

>

>

> >

> > I guess my point is, I think that there are more

> > people who are victims of

> > brainwashing than evil conspirators.

> > Ramona

>

>

> Ramona,

> Well said, and in part, I agree. There is however, an

> element of the " ignorance is bliss " mentality. For

> example, Ozone Therapy, was presented to Dr. Fauci of

> the NIH and was summarily disregarded as useless,

> ineffective, without merit. Funding consideration for

> further study was never an option. It is however, well

> accepted and used widely in Europe, Russia. It has

> been proven to remove virus from the bloodstream,

> among other benefits. Bottom line...there is no money

> to be made on this type of treatment.

>

> There is no money to be made from homeopathics, herbs,

>

> vitamins etc. because they help people get well.

>

> 90% need their brains re washed, the other 10% are

> Evil consipirators.