Intestinal cleansing a different perspective? or Bah Humbug?

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Terri and all. I hope the good Doc will enter this conversation and what I write here might help that along a bit? A lot of us need to get a different perspective than what we currently have as a result of a closer look into the reasons for bowel cleansing? I am going to write some observations, not as fact or the whole truth and nothing but the truth but as a way of also asking the same questions you are, as well. Some time ago I was diagnosed with at least one intestinal polyp and it was recommended that I have this removed. I delayed this minor surgery process for three years until three weeks ago.I went to Thailand for some business and decided to check into one of their incredibly great hospitals and get this all taken care of as well as run several other tests I am interested in.During this process I had great rapport with the doctor I chose to do the Colonoscopy proceedure.This doctor has

looked into the interiors of countless people of all ethnics,ages,professions etc and I wanted to know what she has observed about the interiors of intestines as a way to understand all these claims made about impacted colons etc.The amazing thing was this doctor was more than willing to discuss this totally with me. She takes litteral movies of the process and we saw several while I was there including my own. The bottom line was in all her time doing these she has never ever seen anything as described by many so called health professionals regarding impactedalmost fossilized bowels! She has never observed many years of buildup of seeds and other materials nor intestines lined with dark colored mucus linings etc etc etc etc.She believes this is all nonsense as I have always intuitively felt also.She says yes indeed there are abnormalities in peoples intestines such as bags caused from Diverticulitis etc but never has seen anything like what we most likely have read or seen on the

net! Believe me, she would love to observe all these things herself and has a keen interest in all this! I also pressed her for explanations of intestinal parasites.Asians in general have high amounts of certain worms and I wanted to know what her observations on this were.In all her practice she has seen very small amounts of intestinal parasites that clung or were attached to the intestinal lining.She has seen large amounts of fecal based worms which are common here and people regularly expel them and also worm themselves about every six months if they worry about them at all.She has never ever observed a human case of tapeworm attached to the intestinal lining.Rememeber that a Colonoscopy involves a purging of the intestines from drinking a laxative then having four enemas ( Lordy, is this a challenge and by far the worst part of the whole process in my humble opinion!). One could argue that this process takes care of all that old impacted fecal

material and fossilized seeds and droves of worms I guess? I seriously doubt it! Observation of the toilet results dont indicate any of this. So okay Doc, hopefully, you can illuminate us on all this? My guess is there is much more than just meets the eye in this Bowel cleansing process? Don in Bali mamaterri47 <maddress wrote: I've been looking into intestinal cleansing. As I understand it, the purpose is to move out old fecal matter that is still there due to sluggish intestines. Many of them say to increase the dosage until you are having two-four bowel movements per day.But what if you already have two-four normal bowel movements a day (not diarrhea, just normal)? What if things aren't sluggish, but work rather

well? Is an intestinal cleanse still necessary?Terri Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce

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Hey Don-

I know Doc is very busy these days so I will try to chime in here.

 

I think it is great to questions all things. This leads you to a greater understanding of the truth for yourself. When you question you are seeking to learn more and that is wonderful. I find myself questioning everything in life and it leads me to more truths.

 

While I don't have experience looking at any movies/camera views of the lower intestinal tract, I do have first hand experience dealing with my intestines and dealing with the intestinal tract of others I have helped. I actually play softball with a guy who is a GI doc. This guy is one of the nicest guys you will meet. He deals with a lot of people who have heartburn. My roommates get heartburn all the time and I mentioned that the next time they get heartburn they should try a shot of apple cider vinegar. Well they tried this and now the apple cider vinegar is all they use for heartburn... So back to the GI doc... My roommate Matt mentioned this to him.... about the ACV for heartburn.... he humored us but was not really interested and thought there was no way that this could work. It went against everything he had learned. I knew where he was coming from so I didn't press him any further, in time I hopefully will....

 

When I got out of grad school, I was getting sick all the time. I would take vit c, Echinacea and goldenseal root. It would allow me to rebound very quickly.... But I questioned why I was still getting sick all the time... My body was way out of balance. I started to clean up my act, I ate better, and started taking some different herbs.... I was getting sick less and less but I was still getting sick and when I went on a real gung-ho health kick my body was going through severe healing reactions or something call the herxheimer reaction. This is when the body dumps too many toxins for it to eliminate and you start to feel sick and achy. I dived further into this and wondered why. This led me to investigate the intestinal tract. From what I had read and heard I decided that it was worth a shot to start cleansing this area of my body.... So I did and the results were amazing... after a few weeks of intestinal cleansing, I was feeling really good.... and since this time I haven't had a cold or flu in over three years..... There are of course other things I do....like take total nutrition, total tonic, body balance on a daily basis for maintenance.... once you cleanse your intestinal tract you need to feed your body good nutrients to strengthen and balance it....

 

I need to end it hear for now but I will write more later....

 

Keep questioning and someday you will arrive at the truth....

 

Good luck,

Rob

 

herbal remedies [herbal remedies ]On Behalf Of don wellsFriday, December 16, 2005 7:14 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Intestinal cleansing a different perspective? or Bah Humbug?

Terri and all.

 

I hope the good Doc will enter this conversation and what I write here might help that along a bit? A lot of us need to get a different perspective than what we currently have as a result of a closer look into the reasons for bowel cleansing? I am going to write some observations, not as fact or the whole truth and nothing but the truth but as a way of also asking the same questions you are, as well.

 

Some time ago I was diagnosed with at least one intestinal polyp and it was recommended that I have this removed. I delayed this minor surgery process for three years until three weeks ago.I went to Thailand for some business and decided to check into one of their incredibly great hospitals and get this all taken care of as well as run several other tests I am interested in.During this process I had great rapport with the doctor I chose to do the Colonoscopy proceedure.This doctor has looked into the interiors of countless people of all ethnics,ages,professions etc and I wanted to know what she has observed about the interiors of intestines as a way to understand all these claims made about impacted colons etc.The amazing thing was this doctor was more than willing to discuss this totally with me. She takes litteral movies of the process and we saw several while I was there including my own. The bottom line was in all her time doing these she has never ever seen anything as described by many so called health professionals regarding impactedalmost fossilized bowels! She has never observed many years of buildup of seeds and other materials nor intestines lined with dark colored mucus linings etc etc etc etc.She believes this is all nonsense as I have always intuitively felt also.She says yes indeed there are abnormalities in peoples intestines such as bags caused from Diverticulitis etc but never has seen anything like what we most likely have read or seen on the net! Believe me, she would love to observe all these things herself and has a keen interest in all this!

 

I also pressed her for explanations of intestinal parasites.Asians in general have high amounts of certain worms and I wanted to know what her observations on this were.In all her practice she has seen very small amounts of intestinal parasites that clung or were attached to the intestinal lining.She has seen large amounts of fecal based worms which are common here and people regularly expel them and also worm themselves about every six months if they worry about them at all.She has never ever observed a human case of tapeworm attached to the intestinal lining.Rememeber that a Colonoscopy involves a purging of the intestines from drinking a laxative then having four enemas ( Lordy, is this a challenge and by far the worst part of the whole process in my humble opinion!). One could argue that this process takes care of all that old impacted fecal material and fossilized seeds and droves of worms I guess? I seriously doubt it! Observation of the toilet results dont indicate any of this.

 

So okay Doc, hopefully, you can illuminate us on all this? My guess is there is much more than just meets the eye in this Bowel cleansing process?

 

Don in Bali

mamaterri47 <maddress wrote:

I've been looking into intestinal cleansing. As I understand it, the purpose is to move out old fecal matter that is still there due to sluggish intestines. Many of them say to increase the dosage until you are having two-four bowel movements per day.But what if you already have two-four normal bowel movements a day (not diarrhea, just normal)? What if things aren't sluggish, but work rather well? Is an intestinal cleanse still necessary?Terri

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Hi Rob and all, As a practicing healer utilizing mainly Energy Psychology and other energy based healing modalities your words are not only right on but it demonstrates your wisdom at what appears a early age!:-) Discovering the truth is the one thing most intelligent people do all their lives.This list makes that much easier and having the freedom to question is all important! I thank you for your experience account.I have heard and read these for years and as I wrote earlier I think there is much more to this than what meets the eye.I do not believe in petrified fecaliths and ancient seeds residing in the intestines unless that person has a seriously diseased problem which must be exceedingly rare and little observed and counter to what many "sellers" would have us believe! So my question begs, What is the effect of intestinal cleansing if its not just to evacuate the intestines of matter?I am pre guessing that in

some way this cleansing causes the intestines to drain toxins from the erst of the body and only act as the reservoir and drainage of these but I await Docs reply on this. Don in BaliRob Combis <rcombis wrote: Hey Don- I know Doc is very busy these days so I will try to chime in here. I think it is great to questions all things. This leads you to a greater understanding of the truth for

yourself. When you question you are seeking to learn more and that is wonderful. I find myself questioning everything in life and it leads me to more truths. While I don't have experience looking at any movies/camera views of the lower intestinal tract, I do have first hand experience dealing with my intestines and dealing with the intestinal tract of others I have helped. I actually play softball with a guy who is a GI doc. This guy is one of the nicest guys you will meet. He deals with a lot of people who have heartburn. My roommates get heartburn all the time and I mentioned that the next time they get heartburn they should try a shot of apple cider vinegar. Well they tried this and now the apple cider vinegar is all they use for

heartburn... So back to the GI doc... My roommate Matt mentioned this to him.... about the ACV for heartburn.... he humored us but was not really interested and thought there was no way that this could work. It went against everything he had learned. I knew where he was coming from so I didn't press him any further, in time I hopefully will.... When I got out of grad school, I was getting sick all the time. I would take vit c, Echinacea and goldenseal root. It would allow me to rebound very quickly.... But I questioned why I was still getting sick all the time... My body was way out of balance. I started to clean up my act, I ate better, and started taking some different herbs.... I was getting sick less and less

but I was still getting sick and when I went on a real gung-ho health kick my body was going through severe healing reactions or something call the herxheimer reaction. This is when the body dumps too many toxins for it to eliminate and you start to feel sick and achy. I dived further into this and wondered why. This led me to investigate the intestinal tract. From what I had read and heard I decided that it was worth a shot to start cleansing this area of my body.... So I did and the results were amazing... after a few weeks of intestinal cleansing, I was feeling really good.... and since this time I haven't had a cold or flu in over three years..... There are of course other things I do....like take total nutrition, total tonic, body balance on a daily basis for maintenance.... once you cleanse your intestinal tract you need to feed your body good nutrients to strengthen and balance it.... I need to end it hear for now but I will write more later.... Keep questioning and someday you will arrive at the truth.... Good luck, Rob herbal remedies

[herbal remedies ]On Behalf Of don wellsFriday, December 16, 2005 7:14 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Intestinal cleansing a different perspective? or Bah Humbug? Terri and all. I hope the good Doc will enter this conversation and what I write here might help that along a bit? A lot of us need to get a different perspective than what we currently have as a result of a closer look into the reasons for bowel cleansing? I am going to write some observations, not as fact or the whole truth and nothing but the truth but as a way of also asking the same questions you are, as well. Some time ago I was diagnosed with at least one intestinal polyp and it was recommended that I have this removed. I delayed this minor surgery process for three years until three weeks ago.I went to

Thailand for some business and decided to check into one of their incredibly great hospitals and get this all taken care of as well as run several other tests I am interested in.During this process I had great rapport with the doctor I chose to do the Colonoscopy proceedure.This doctor has looked into the interiors of countless people of all ethnics,ages,professions etc and I wanted to know what she has observed about the interiors of intestines as a way to understand all these claims made about impacted colons etc.The amazing thing was this doctor was more than willing to discuss this totally with me. She takes litteral movies of the process and we saw several while I was there including my own. The bottom line was in all her time doing these she has never ever seen anything as described by many so called health professionals regarding impactedalmost fossilized bowels! She has never observed many years of buildup of seeds and other materials nor intestines lined with dark

colored mucus linings etc etc etc etc.She believes this is all nonsense as I have always intuitively felt also.She says yes indeed there are abnormalities in peoples intestines such as bags caused from Diverticulitis etc but never has seen anything like what we most likely have read or seen on the net! Believe me, she would love to observe all these things herself and has a keen interest in all this! I also pressed her for explanations of intestinal parasites.Asians in general have high amounts of certain worms and I wanted to know what her observations on this were.In all her practice she has seen very small amounts of intestinal parasites that clung or were attached to the intestinal lining.She has seen large amounts of fecal based worms which are common here and people regularly expel them and also worm themselves about every six months if they worry about them at all.She has never ever observed a human case of tapeworm attached to the intestinal

lining.Rememeber that a Colonoscopy involves a purging of the intestines from drinking a laxative then having four enemas ( Lordy, is this a challenge and by far the worst part of the whole process in my humble opinion!). One could argue that this process takes care of all that old impacted fecal material and fossilized seeds and droves of worms I guess? I seriously doubt it! Observation of the toilet results dont indicate any of this. So okay Doc, hopefully, you can illuminate us on all this? My guess is there is much more than just meets the eye in this Bowel cleansing process? Don in Bali mamaterri47 <maddress wrote: I've been looking into intestinal cleansing. As I understand it, the purpose is to move out old fecal matter that is still there due to

sluggish intestines. Many of them say to increase the dosage until you are having two-four bowel movements per day.But what if you already have two-four normal bowel movements a day (not diarrhea, just normal)? What if things aren't sluggish, but work rather well? Is an intestinal cleanse still necessary?Terri Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounceDo You

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Hi, As a nurse, I also have seen many colonospopy films and assisted with (too many) procedures. First, the go-lightly prep or electrolyte solution they give prior to the procedures (+ or - enemas) does clean out most everything, otherwise they wouldn't be able to see anything but poop with that tiny borascope, Also having seen the bowl movements of (again, too many) people getting this procedure I can honestly say that the stuff that comes out (from a clense) is more odorus then usual and more mucus-like then usual. Now, this is probally more information then you wanted to hear...right??? When they do a colonoscopy it is usually to look for a large imperfection like a polop, inflammation or bleeding something. It is not that sensative of a tool. A borascope that is used for a colonoscopy is like having a flashlight in a deep underground mine, you can only see what is right in front of you. The colon is a pink, smooth, mucus covered (clear normally)

organ that has a lot of hills and valley's. The problem with colonoscopys is that they are not able to find or see everything. That is why a tiny camera was invented that they put into a gelaten capsule and have people swallow it. It films the entire digestive tract and looks for things that a borascope cannot see. Even that is not perfect, and Md's cannot see into all of the natural groves in the intestinal tract. Having said that I do believe that cleanses are overdone. Most people do not have seeds stuck in their colon that are released with any type of detox/colon flush/bowl prep. I would have seen that and made a note of it. Worms I don't know about, haven't seen any in the films directly but like I said the borascope used for colonoscopys is not that sensative. Colon clenses are able to get rid of material stuck in the grooves of the intestianal wall. They are also able to get rid of the extra

mucus on the wall of the intestine. Some mucus is normal and is nessesary to move food along the passageway but sometimes there is a build-up of to much mucus (and yes I have seen this in a few procedures), The current "theroy" is that people are eating foods with less fiber (more processed), which naturally scrapes away some of the mucus. Most GI MD's are not conserned with this; they just give metamucil or laxatives to increase perastalsis (movement). It is good to have a detox/fast and colon clense occasionally (1-2 times a year, and at the right times of the year) but in my experience as a herbalist doing more then that is not nessesary because too many can disrupt the natural elimination channels and cause other problems. Dawn, Herbalist, aromatherapist and unfortunatley experienced poop observer. don wells

<dwells2530 wrote: Terri and all. I hope the good Doc will enter this conversation and what I write here might help that along a bit? A lot of us need to get a different perspective than what we currently have as a result of a closer look into the reasons for bowel cleansing? I am going to write some observations, not as fact or the whole truth and nothing but the truth but as a way of also asking the same questions you are, as well. Some time ago I was diagnosed with at least one intestinal polyp and it was recommended that I have this removed. I delayed this minor surgery process for three years until three weeks ago.I went to Thailand for some business and decided to check into one of their incredibly great hospitals and get this all taken care of as well as

run several other tests I am interested in.During this process I had great rapport with the doctor I chose to do the Colonoscopy proceedure.This doctor has looked into the interiors of countless people of all ethnics,ages,professions etc and I wanted to know what she has observed about the interiors of intestines as a way to understand all these claims made about impacted colons etc.The amazing thing was this doctor was more than willing to discuss this totally with me. She takes litteral movies of the process and we saw several while I was there including my own. The bottom line was in all her time doing these she has never ever seen anything as described by many so called health professionals regarding impactedalmost fossilized bowels! She has never observed many years of buildup of seeds and other materials nor intestines lined with dark colored mucus linings etc etc etc etc.She believes this is all nonsense as I have always intuitively felt also.She says yes indeed there are

abnormalities in peoples intestines such as bags caused from Diverticulitis etc but never has seen anything like what we most likely have read or seen on the net! Believe me, she would love to observe all these things herself and has a keen interest in all this! I also pressed her for explanations of intestinal parasites.Asians in general have high amounts of certain worms and I wanted to know what her observations on this were.In all her practice she has seen very small amounts of intestinal parasites that clung or were attached to the intestinal lining.She has seen large amounts of fecal based worms which are common here and people regularly expel them and also worm themselves about every six months if they worry about them at all.She has never ever observed a human case of tapeworm attached to the intestinal lining.Rememeber that a Colonoscopy involves a purging of the intestines from drinking a laxative then having four enemas ( Lordy, is this a

challenge and by far the worst part of the whole process in my humble opinion!). One could argue that this process takes care of all that old impacted fecal material and fossilized seeds and droves of worms I guess? I seriously doubt it! Observation of the toilet results dont indicate any of this. So okay Doc, hopefully, you can illuminate us on all this? My guess is there is much more than just meets the eye in this Bowel cleansing process? Don in Bali mamaterri47 <maddress wrote: I've been looking into intestinal cleansing. As I understand it, the purpose is to move out old fecal matter that is still there due to sluggish intestines. Many of them say to increase the dosage until you are having two-four bowel movements per day.But

what if you already have two-four normal bowel movements a day (not diarrhea, just normal)? What if things aren't sluggish, but work rather well? Is an intestinal cleanse still necessary?Terri Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce

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I would like to clean myy colon without sticking anything into my rectum. Are you familiar with any herbs, etc, I could take orally?dawn gates <dawnsenchantedgarden wrote: Hi, As a nurse, I also have seen many colonospopy films and assisted with (too many) procedures. First, the go-lightly prep or electrolyte solution they give prior to the procedures (+ or - enemas) does clean out most everything, otherwise they wouldn't be able to see anything but poop with that tiny borascope, Also having seen the bowl movements of (again, too many) people getting this procedure I can honestly say that the stuff that comes out (from a clense) is more odorus then usual and more mucus-like then usual. Now, this is probally more information then you wanted to hear...right??? When they do a colonoscopy it is usually to

look for a large imperfection like a polop, inflammation or bleeding something. It is not that sensative of a tool. A borascope that is used for a colonoscopy is like having a flashlight in a deep underground mine, you can only see what is right in front of you. The colon is a pink, smooth, mucus covered (clear normally) organ that has a lot of hills and valley's. The problem with colonoscopys is that they are not able to find or see everything. That is why a tiny camera was invented that they put into a gelaten capsule and have people swallow it. It films the entire digestive tract and looks for things that a borascope cannot see. Even that is not perfect, and Md's cannot see into all of the natural groves in the intestinal tract. Having said that I do believe that cleanses are overdone. Most people do not have seeds stuck in their colon that are released with any type of detox/colon flush/bowl prep. I would have seen that

and made a note of it. Worms I don't know about, haven't seen any in the films directly but like I said the borascope used for colonoscopys is not that sensative. Colon clenses are able to get rid of material stuck in the grooves of the intestianal wall. They are also able to get rid of the extra mucus on the wall of the intestine. Some mucus is normal and is nessesary to move food along the passageway but sometimes there is a build-up of to much mucus (and yes I have seen this in a few procedures), The current "theroy" is that people are eating foods with less fiber (more processed), which naturally scrapes away some of the mucus. Most GI MD's are not conserned with this; they just give metamucil or laxatives to increase perastalsis (movement). It is good to have a detox/fast and colon clense occasionally (1-2 times a year, and at the right times of the year) but in my experience as a herbalist doing more then

that is not nessesary because too many can disrupt the natural elimination channels and cause other problems. Dawn, Herbalist, aromatherapist and unfortunatley experienced poop observer. don wells <dwells2530 wrote: Terri and all. I hope the good Doc will enter this conversation and what I write here might help that along a bit? A lot of us need to get a different perspective than what we currently have as a result of a closer look into the reasons for bowel cleansing? I am going to write some observations, not as fact or the whole truth and nothing but the truth but as a way of also asking the same questions you are, as well. Some time ago I was diagnosed

with at least one intestinal polyp and it was recommended that I have this removed. I delayed this minor surgery process for three years until three weeks ago.I went to Thailand for some business and decided to check into one of their incredibly great hospitals and get this all taken care of as well as run several other tests I am interested in.During this process I had great rapport with the doctor I chose to do the Colonoscopy proceedure.This doctor has looked into the interiors of countless people of all ethnics,ages,professions etc and I wanted to know what she has observed about the interiors of intestines as a way to understand all these claims made about impacted colons etc.The amazing thing was this doctor was more than willing to discuss this totally with me. She takes litteral movies of the process and we saw several while I was there including my own. The bottom line was in all her time doing these she has never ever seen anything as described by many so called

health professionals regarding impactedalmost fossilized bowels! She has never observed many years of buildup of seeds and other materials nor intestines lined with dark colored mucus linings etc etc etc etc.She believes this is all nonsense as I have always intuitively felt also.She says yes indeed there are abnormalities in peoples intestines such as bags caused from Diverticulitis etc but never has seen anything like what we most likely have read or seen on the net! Believe me, she would love to observe all these things herself and has a keen interest in all this! I also pressed her for explanations of intestinal parasites.Asians in general have high amounts of certain worms and I wanted to know what her observations on this were.In all her practice she has seen very small amounts of intestinal parasites that clung or were attached to the intestinal lining.She has seen large amounts of fecal based worms which are common here and people regularly

expel them and also worm themselves about every six months if they worry about them at all.She has never ever observed a human case of tapeworm attached to the intestinal lining.Rememeber that a Colonoscopy involves a purging of the intestines from drinking a laxative then having four enemas ( Lordy, is this a challenge and by far the worst part of the whole process in my humble opinion!). One could argue that this process takes care of all that old impacted fecal material and fossilized seeds and droves of worms I guess? I seriously doubt it! Observation of the toilet results dont indicate any of this. So okay Doc, hopefully, you can illuminate us on all this? My guess is there is much more than just meets the eye in this Bowel cleansing process? Don in Bali mamaterri47 <maddress wrote: I've been looking into intestinal cleansing. As I understand it, the purpose is to move out old fecal matter that is still there due to sluggish intestines. Many of them say to increase the dosage until you are having two-four bowel movements per day.But what if you already have two-four normal bowel movements a day (not diarrhea, just normal)? What if things aren't sluggish, but work rather well? Is an intestinal cleanse still necessary?Terri Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce Tired of spam?

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Re: Herbal Remedies - Intestinal cleansing a different perspective? or Bah Humbug?

 

I would like to clean myy colon without sticking anything into my rectum. Are you familiar with any herbs, etc, I could take orally?dawn gates <dawnsenchantedgarden wrote:

Hi, As a nurse, I also have seen many colonospopy films and assisted with (too many) procedures. First, the go-lightly prep or electrolyte solution they give prior to the procedures (+ or - enemas) does clean out most everything, otherwise they wouldn't be able to see anything but poop with that tiny borascope, Also having seen the bowl movements of (again, too many) people getting this procedure I can honestly say that the stuff that comes out (from a clense) is more odorus then usual and more mucus-like then usual. Now, this is probally more information then you wanted to hear...right??? When they do a colonoscopy it is usually to look for a large imperfection like a polop, inflammation or bleeding something. It is not that sensative of a tool. A borascope that is used for a colonoscopy is like having a flashlight in a deep underground mine, you can only see what is right in front of you. The colon is a pink, smooth, mucus covered (clear normally) organ that has a lot of hills and valley's. The problem with colonoscopys is that they are not able to find or see everything. That is why a tiny camera was invented that they put into a gelaten capsule and have people swallow it. It films the entire digestive tract and looks for things that a borascope cannot see. Even that is not perfect, and Md's cannot see into all of the natural groves in the intestinal tract.

 

Having said that I do believe that cleanses are overdone. Most people do not have seeds stuck in their colon that are released with any type of detox/colon flush/bowl prep. I would have seen that and made a note of it. Worms I don't know about, haven't seen any in the films directly but like I said the borascope used for colonoscopys is not that sensative.

 

Colon clenses are able to get rid of material stuck in the grooves of the intestianal wall. They are also able to get rid of the extra mucus on the wall of the intestine. Some mucus is normal and is nessesary to move food along the passageway but sometimes there is a build-up of to much mucus (and yes I have seen this in a few procedures), The current "theroy" is that people are eating foods with less fiber (more processed), which naturally scrapes away some of the mucus. Most GI MD's are not conserned with this; they just give metamucil or laxatives to increase perastalsis (movement).

 

It is good to have a detox/fast and colon clense occasionally (1-2 times a year, and at the right times of the year) but in my experience as a herbalist doing more then that is not nessesary because too many can disrupt the natural elimination channels and cause other problems.

 

 

Dawn,

Herbalist, aromatherapist and unfortunatley experienced poop observer.

 

don wells <dwells2530 wrote:

 

Terri and all.

 

I hope the good Doc will enter this conversation and what I write here might help that along a bit? A lot of us need to get a different perspective than what we currently have as a result of a closer look into the reasons for bowel cleansing? I am going to write some observations, not as fact or the whole truth and nothing but the truth but as a way of also asking the same questions you are, as well.

 

Some time ago I was diagnosed with at least one intestinal polyp and it was recommended that I have this removed. I delayed this minor surgery process for three years until three weeks ago.I went to Thailand for some business and decided to check into one of their incredibly great hospitals and get this all taken care of as well as run several other tests I am interested in.During this process I had great rapport with the doctor I chose to do the Colonoscopy proceedure.This doctor has looked into the interiors of countless people of all ethnics,ages,professions etc and I wanted to know what she has observed about the interiors of intestines as a way to understand all these claims made about impacted colons etc.The amazing thing was this doctor was more than willing to discuss this totally with me. She takes litteral movies of the process and we saw several while I was there including my own. The bottom line was in all her time doing these she has never ever seen anything as described by many so called health professionals regarding impactedalmost fossilized bowels! She has never observed many years of buildup of seeds and other materials nor intestines lined with dark colored mucus linings etc etc etc etc.She believes this is all nonsense as I have always intuitively felt also.She says yes indeed there are abnormalities in peoples intestines such as bags caused from Diverticulitis etc but never has seen anything like what we most likely have read or seen on the net! Believe me, she would love to observe all these things herself and has a keen interest in all this!

 

I also pressed her for explanations of intestinal parasites.Asians in general have high amounts of certain worms and I wanted to know what her observations on this were.In all her practice she has seen very small amounts of intestinal parasites that clung or were attached to the intestinal lining.She has seen large amounts of fecal based worms which are common here and people regularly expel them and also worm themselves about every six months if they worry about them at all.She has never ever observed a human case of tapeworm attached to the intestinal lining.Rememeber that a Colonoscopy involves a purging of the intestines from drinking a laxative then having four enemas ( Lordy, is this a challenge and by far the worst part of the whole process in my humble opinion!). One could argue that this process takes care of all that old impacted fecal material and fossilized seeds and droves of worms I guess? I seriously doubt it! Observation of the toilet results dont indicate any of this.

 

So okay Doc, hopefully, you can illuminate us on all this? My guess is there is much more than just meets the eye in this Bowel cleansing process?

 

Don in Bali

mamaterri47 <maddress wrote:

I've been looking into intestinal cleansing. As I understand it, the purpose is to move out old fecal matter that is still there due to sluggish intestines. Many of them say to increase the dosage until you are having two-four bowel movements per day.But what if you already have two-four normal bowel movements a day (not diarrhea, just normal)? What if things aren't sluggish, but work rather well? Is an intestinal cleanse still necessary?Terri

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Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:29 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Intestinal cleansing a different perspective? or Bah Humbug?

 

I would like to clean myy colon without sticking anything into my rectum. Are you familiar with any herbs, etc, I could take orally?dawn gates <dawnsenchantedgarden wrote:

Hi, As a nurse, I also have seen many colonospopy films and assisted with (too many) procedures. First, the go-lightly prep or electrolyte solution they give prior to the procedures (+ or - enemas) does clean out most everything, otherwise they wouldn't be able to see anything but poop with that tiny borascope, Also having seen the bowl movements of (again, too many) people getting this procedure I can honestly say that the stuff that comes out (from a clense) is more odorus then usual and more mucus-like then usual. Now, this is probally more information then you wanted to hear...right??? When they do a colonoscopy it is usually to look for a large imperfection like a polop, inflammation or bleeding something. It is not that sensative of a tool. A borascope that is used for a colonoscopy is like having a flashlight in a deep underground mine, you can only see what is right in front of you. The colon is a pink, smooth, mucus covered (clear normally) organ that has a lot of hills and valley's. The problem with colonoscopys is that they are not able to find or see everything. That is why a tiny camera was invented that they put into a gelaten capsule and have people swallow it. It films the entire digestive tract and looks for things that a borascope cannot see. Even that is not perfect, and Md's cannot see into all of the natural groves in the intestinal tract.

 

Having said that I do believe that cleanses are overdone. Most people do not have seeds stuck in their colon that are released with any type of detox/colon flush/bowl prep. I would have seen that and made a note of it. Worms I don't know about, haven't seen any in the films directly but like I said the borascope used for colonoscopys is not that sensative.

 

Colon clenses are able to get rid of material stuck in the grooves of the intestianal wall. They are also able to get rid of the extra mucus on the wall of the intestine. Some mucus is normal and is nessesary to move food along the passageway but sometimes there is a build-up of to much mucus (and yes I have seen this in a few procedures), The current "theroy" is that people are eating foods with less fiber (more processed), which naturally scrapes away some of the mucus. Most GI MD's are not conserned with this; they just give metamucil or laxatives to increase perastalsis (movement).

 

It is good to have a detox/fast and colon clense occasionally (1-2 times a year, and at the right times of the year) but in my experience as a herbalist doing more then that is not nessesary because too many can disrupt the natural elimination channels and cause other problems.

 

 

Dawn,

Herbalist, aromatherapist and unfortunatley experienced poop observer.

 

don wells <dwells2530 wrote:

 

Terri and all.

 

I hope the good Doc will enter this conversation and what I write here might help that along a bit? A lot of us need to get a different perspective than what we currently have as a result of a closer look into the reasons for bowel cleansing? I am going to write some observations, not as fact or the whole truth and nothing but the truth but as a way of also asking the same questions you are, as well.

 

Some time ago I was diagnosed with at least one intestinal polyp and it was recommended that I have this removed. I delayed this minor surgery process for three years until three weeks ago.I went to Thailand for some business and decided to check into one of their incredibly great hospitals and get this all taken care of as well as run several other tests I am interested in.During this process I had great rapport with the doctor I chose to do the Colonoscopy proceedure.This doctor has looked into the interiors of countless people of all ethnics,ages,professions etc and I wanted to know what she has observed about the interiors of intestines as a way to understand all these claims made about impacted colons etc.The amazing thing was this doctor was more than willing to discuss this totally with me. She takes litteral movies of the process and we saw several while I was there including my own. The bottom line was in all her time doing these she has never ever seen anything as described by many so called health professionals regarding impactedalmost fossilized bowels! She has never observed many years of buildup of seeds and other materials nor intestines lined with dark colored mucus linings etc etc etc etc.She believes this is all nonsense as I have always intuitively felt also.She says yes indeed there are abnormalities in peoples intestines such as bags caused from Diverticulitis etc but never has seen anything like what we most likely have read or seen on the net! Believe me, she would love to observe all these things herself and has a keen interest in all this!

 

I also pressed her for explanations of intestinal parasites.Asians in general have high amounts of certain worms and I wanted to know what her observations on this were.In all her practice she has seen very small amounts of intestinal parasites that clung or were attached to the intestinal lining.She has seen large amounts of fecal based worms which are common here and people regularly expel them and also worm themselves about every six months if they worry about them at all.She has never ever observed a human case of tapeworm attached to the intestinal lining.Rememeber that a Colonoscopy involves a purging of the intestines from drinking a laxative then having four enemas ( Lordy, is this a challenge and by far the worst part of the whole process in my humble opinion!). One could argue that this process takes care of all that old impacted fecal material and fossilized seeds and droves of worms I guess? I seriously doubt it! Observation of the toilet results dont indicate any of this.

 

So okay Doc, hopefully, you can illuminate us on all this? My guess is there is much more than just meets the eye in this Bowel cleansing process?

 

Don in Bali

mamaterri47 <maddress wrote:

I've been looking into intestinal cleansing. As I understand it, the purpose is to move out old fecal matter that is still there due to sluggish intestines. Many of them say to increase the dosage until you are having two-four bowel movements per day.But what if you already have two-four normal bowel movements a day (not diarrhea, just normal)? What if things aren't sluggish, but work rather well? Is an intestinal cleanse still necessary?Terri

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Dear Don,

The answer is very simple.

Your Doctor in Thailand has never seen an impacted bowel because she lives and practices in Thailand.

The average person over there has 3 to 4 bowel movements a day due to a much better diet and higher quality food. The average person here in the United states is lucky if they have 3 to 4 bowel movements A WEEK!!! Some have only 3 to 4 BM's A MONTH!!! Where Colon / Rectal Cancer is hardly heard of over there, it is the number one cancer here in the US and Canada. One of my fellow naturopaths had a patient who finally had a bowel movement (with the help of herbs) and the feces that came out had to broken up with a shovel it was so hard. One of my own patients had a parasite come out that looked like is was out of a Science fiction movie. This parasite was killing her. It took 6 straight weeks of Intestinal Cleanse to kill it and when it came out it was a foot long with a triangular shaped mouth & teeth. I couldn't find anything anywhere that spoke of or described such things, but the patient was a friend (totally believable), and started gaining weight (had dropped to below 90 lbs) after this beast came out. I've had hundreds of patients who've described in great detail shrimp like parasites, tape worms, you name it who then regained their health.

Many others have described pieces of old fecal casings that were black and hard.

Americans are the worst eaters on the planet. My estimate is that 95% are suffering from mal-nutrition. We are the fattest people on Earth. Tell your doctor to come over here to the US and do some investigating and she'll get an eye full.

In Health and Love,

Doc

 

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Friday, December 16, 2005 7:13 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Intestinal cleansing a different perspective? or Bah Humbug?

 

Terri and all.

 

I hope the good Doc will enter this conversation and what I write here might help that along a bit? A lot of us need to get a different perspective than what we currently have as a result of a closer look into the reasons for bowel cleansing? I am going to write some observations, not as fact or the whole truth and nothing but the truth but as a way of also asking the same questions you are, as well.

 

Some time ago I was diagnosed with at least one intestinal polyp and it was recommended that I have this removed. I delayed this minor surgery process for three years until three weeks ago.I went to Thailand for some business and decided to check into one of their incredibly great hospitals and get this all taken care of as well as run several other tests I am interested in.During this process I had great rapport with the doctor I chose to do the Colonoscopy proceedure.This doctor has looked into the interiors of countless people of all ethnics,ages,professions etc and I wanted to know what she has observed about the interiors of intestines as a way to understand all these claims made about impacted colons etc.The amazing thing was this doctor was more than willing to discuss this totally with me. She takes litteral movies of the process and we saw several while I was there including my own. The bottom line was in all her time doing these she has never ever seen anything as described by many so called health professionals regarding impactedalmost fossilized bowels! She has never observed many years of buildup of seeds and other materials nor intestines lined with dark colored mucus linings etc etc etc etc.She believes this is all nonsense as I have always intuitively felt also.She says yes indeed there are abnormalities in peoples intestines such as bags caused from Diverticulitis etc but never has seen anything like what we most likely have read or seen on the net! Believe me, she would love to observe all these things herself and has a keen interest in all this!

 

I also pressed her for explanations of intestinal parasites.Asians in general have high amounts of certain worms and I wanted to know what her observations on this were.In all her practice she has seen very small amounts of intestinal parasites that clung or were attached to the intestinal lining.She has seen large amounts of fecal based worms which are common here and people regularly expel them and also worm themselves about every six months if they worry about them at all.She has never ever observed a human case of tapeworm attached to the intestinal lining.Rememeber that a Colonoscopy involves a purging of the intestines from drinking a laxative then having four enemas ( Lordy, is this a challenge and by far the worst part of the whole process in my humble opinion!). One could argue that this process takes care of all that old impacted fecal material and fossilized seeds and droves of worms I guess? I seriously doubt it! Observation of the toilet results dont indicate any of this.

 

So okay Doc, hopefully, you can illuminate us on all this? My guess is there is much more than just meets the eye in this Bowel cleansing process?

 

Don in Bali

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Hi Doc and all, Thanks for getting to and through that issue. Just a few comments and asides. The oriental diet is indeed much richer in general than many Westerners partake in these days.Here in Indonesia unfortunately, this is more and more not the case. Folks here, eat more and more from the standpoint of one upmanship if you can believe it?To get the privelege to eat in MacDonalds or Kentucky Fried Chicken is seen as a way to show off your wealth and position in life whether or not you really have the means to waste on such bilge! A regular Balinese here will feel quite full of himself if he can brag he ate in KFC for lunch! Even more insideous however, is the somewhat new situation within the past twenty years, where the general public can now eat white rice for three meals per day.It used to be that a poor Balinese only got rice for ceremonies and very special events.Normal fare was vegetables with a dab

or two of meat, usually pork or chicken. twenty years ago, it was extremely rare to see Balinese with Diabetes and today its absolutely off the charts! Now rice constitutes about 60-75% of the diet. The rice is grown locally and is white but is not polished.Only the very poorest now eat vegetables and meat as a staple and anyone that has to eat this way is looked upon as to be pittied. No self respecting Balinese would think to eat any other way than a plate full of rice and a dab of vegetables and meat for daily fare. Ceremonial food is much richer with more vegetables. To eat common steamed vegetables bears the stigma of being poor and nobody wants to know it! I recently had a worker who was 21 years old quit because he no longer could navigate the roads on his bike at night. When I asked him what was wrong he replied he could not see the road and lights from oncoming traffic as they were just too bright.I asked what he ate and of course it was rice and meat and various

forms of junkfood including lots of status filled sugar.When questioned about vegetables he said"Oh yes I eat lots of vegetables' I pressed on and asked what types and how often. I was informed that he eats carrots at the monthly ceremony in his village but he doesnt care too much for them and never would consider eating poor peoples vegetables which are usually greens! By the way your comment regarding bowel movements was rather spot on also. I had a client the other day in her mid twenties complaining of all sorts of strange dreams and apparitions and she was sure she had been taken over by a evil entity and was asking if I could help because the local magic man had not been able to.When asked about body manifestations she quickly identified a painful abdomen.When asked about toilet habits she told me she had a bowel movement at least once a week and sometimes twice!!!!!! The dreams have left and all apparitions are gone! She has been taken off a

diet of heavy constipating rice and asked to eat at least 50% vegetables. It was like pulling teeth but she was frightened enough to give it a try.I dont expect the newfound diet to last! Peer pressure is amazing on villagers here. The Thai doc trained and served her residency and advanced training in the States and we discussed the "dirty bowel syndrome" in America because I also thought it might be related, however, she had never seen anything like what we all most likely have read or heard reports of. Of course there are constrictions and blockages etc but not fecoliths and fossilized seeds and such, at least not in her experience.My guess is IF bowel cleanses are indeed so helpful we are seeing a drainage of toxins through the bowel from other areas of the body? Dr. Gersten, a name I am sure you are familiar with, used coffee enemas in the bowel as a way to pull many toxins out of the Liver etc and I am wondering if this is what the bowel cleanse

is actually doing? Hmmmmm. Don who's not so convinced yet!"Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington wrote: Dear Don, The answer is very simple. Your Doctor in Thailand has never seen an impacted bowel because she lives and practices in Thailand. The average person over there has 3 to 4 bowel movements a day due to a much better diet and higher quality food. The average person here in the United states is lucky if they have 3 to 4 bowel movements A WEEK!!! Some have only 3 to 4 BM's A

MONTH!!! Where Colon / Rectal Cancer is hardly heard of over there, it is the number one cancer here in the US and Canada. One of my fellow naturopaths had a patient who finally had a bowel movement (with the help of herbs) and the feces that came out had to broken up with a shovel it was so hard. One of my own patients had a parasite come out that looked like is was out of a Science fiction movie. This parasite was killing her. It took 6 straight weeks of Intestinal Cleanse to kill it and when it came out it was a foot long with a triangular shaped mouth & teeth. I couldn't find anything anywhere that spoke of or described such things, but the patient was a friend (totally believable), and started gaining weight (had dropped to below 90 lbs) after this beast came out. I've had hundreds of patients who've described in great detail shrimp like parasites, tape worms, you name it who then regained their health.

Many others have described pieces of old fecal casings that were black and hard. Americans are the worst eaters on the planet. My estimate is that 95% are suffering from mal-nutrition. We are the fattest people on Earth. Tell your doctor to come over here to the US and do some investigating and she'll get an eye full. In Health and Love, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - don wells herbal remedies Friday, December 16, 2005 7:13 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Intestinal cleansing a different perspective? or Bah Humbug? Terri and all. I hope the good Doc will enter this conversation and what I write here might help that along a bit? A lot of us need to get a different perspective than what we currently have as a result of a closer look into the reasons for bowel cleansing? I am going to write some observations, not as fact or the whole truth and nothing but the truth but as a way of also asking the same questions you are, as

well. Some time ago I was diagnosed with at least one intestinal polyp and it was recommended that I have this removed. I delayed this minor surgery process for three years until three weeks ago.I went to Thailand for some business and decided to check into one of their incredibly great hospitals and get this all taken care of as well as run several other tests I am interested in.During this process I had great rapport with the doctor I chose to do the Colonoscopy proceedure.This doctor has looked into the interiors of countless people of all ethnics,ages,professions etc and I wanted to know what she has observed about the interiors of intestines as a way to understand all these claims made about impacted colons etc.The amazing thing was this doctor was more than willing to discuss this totally with me. She takes litteral movies of the process and we saw several while I was there including my own. The bottom line was in all her time doing these

she has never ever seen anything as described by many so called health professionals regarding impactedalmost fossilized bowels! She has never observed many years of buildup of seeds and other materials nor intestines lined with dark colored mucus linings etc etc etc etc.She believes this is all nonsense as I have always intuitively felt also.She says yes indeed there are abnormalities in peoples intestines such as bags caused from Diverticulitis etc but never has seen anything like what we most likely have read or seen on the net! Believe me, she would love to observe all these things herself and has a keen interest in all this! I also pressed her for explanations of intestinal parasites.Asians in general have high amounts of certain worms and I wanted to know what her observations on this were.In all her practice she has seen very small amounts of intestinal parasites that clung or were attached to the intestinal lining.She has seen large amounts of

fecal based worms which are common here and people regularly expel them and also worm themselves about every six months if they worry about them at all.She has never ever observed a human case of tapeworm attached to the intestinal lining.Rememeber that a Colonoscopy involves a purging of the intestines from drinking a laxative then having four enemas ( Lordy, is this a challenge and by far the worst part of the whole process in my humble opinion!). One could argue that this process takes care of all that old impacted fecal material and fossilized seeds and droves of worms I guess? I seriously doubt it! Observation of the toilet results dont indicate any of this. So okay Doc, hopefully, you can illuminate us on all this? My guess is there is much more than just meets the eye in this Bowel cleansing process? Don in Bali Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce

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