Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Has anybody had any luck treating narcolepsy with acupuncture? I have a patient, age 46, who has suffered from narcolepsy since his late 20, early 30s. He mostly has symptoms around noon-1pm...It comes on somewhat slowly, with pressure building up inside of his head. His pulse is deep and somewhat slippery, and I hate to say that I forgot to look at his tongue. He also has occasional problems with adrenaline related to the narcolepsy...sometimes when he laughs or is startled, he literally falls to the ground. I treated this problem by opening the yin qiao meridian and treating points on the head (gv 20, gv 22, gv 24), as well as st-40 to clear phlegm. The day after treatment he was exceptionally groggy and not sure that he wants to continue with acupuncture treatment. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 working with given data let's see if a 5 E pattern emerges a 5 E pattern is indispensable in a complicated and chronic case such as this legend: > this will present data from known studies > :: this will be the creation of a 5 E structure which lisa can improve on or let go 5 E - this will indicate an emerging pattern here goes > narcolepsy - overwhelming excessive daytime sleepiness > :: Fire HT element which rules shen in seriously deficient state > a person with narcolepsy is likely to become drowsy or to fall asleep, often at inappropriate times and places > :: HT shen is now outside the horary clock structure, a serious development > Daytime sleep attacks may occur with or without warning and may be irresistible > :: HT yang is insufficient to rise to head, and dips erratically > attacks can occur repeatedly in a single day > :: lucidity is regulated by the erratic yang rising and falling > In addition, nighttime sleep may be fragmented with frequent wakenings. > :: this is more a picture of yin & yang of HT losing anchor Three other classic symptoms of narcolepsy: > Cataplexy: sudden episodes of loss of muscle function, ranging from slight weakness (such as limpness at the neck or knees, sagging facial muscles, or inability to speak clearly) to complete body collapse > :: HT does not nourish Earth, muscles ruled by SP are giving way > Attacks may be triggered by sudden emotional reactions such as laughter, anger, or fear > :: if triggered by laughter, HT shen is expended :: if triggered by anger, mother Wood of HT shen is expended :: if triggered by fear, oppressor Water is expended > Sleep paralysis: temporary inability to talk or move when falling asleep or waking up > :: HT mother not nourishing son Earth, this is getting to be pronounced > Hypnagogic hallucinations: vivid, often frightening, dream-like experiences that occur while dozing or falling asleep > :: a manifestation of the shattered shen Daytime sleepiness, sleep paralysis, and hypnagogic hallucinations can also occur in people who do not have narcolepsy. ok now on to lisa's provided symptoms & signs > patient, age 46, who has suffered from narcolepsy since his late 20, early 30s > :: such an early onset takes us to a perinatal shen injury > He mostly has symptoms around noon-1pm > :: clearly Fire time which begins with HT at 11:00 AM, ends 03:00 PM with SI. 01:00 PM is the exact time when HT yang shifts into HT yin. a very significant sign 5 E - this beginning to look like a HT yang deficient illness > ....It comes on > somewhat slowly, with pressure building up inside of his head > :: actually the shen ebb begins at 11:01 AM, with yin of HT still sustained when HT yang begins, this is a HT yang illness, the symptoms present > His > pulse is deep and somewhat slippery, and I hate to say that I forgot to > look at his tongue > :: slippery is decidedly son Earth. deep will take us to Water being the culprit element, for deep cannot present on HT pulse !!!this is an uncharacteristic pulse needing immediate attention > He also has occasional problems with adrenaline related to the narcolepsy > :: of course! adrenaline is ruled by adrenal glands sitting on K 5 E - now it seems a HT yin deficient because of Water yin consumed as the primary marauder > ....sometimes when he laughs or is startled, he literally falls > to the ground > 5 E - almost certainly a K overwhelming HT pattern which set in almost at birth next step: quickly confirm this pattern and if you are satisfied this is what is happening, try a bi phasal intervention ideal time to treat is between 11:00 AM to 01:00 PM i would suggest bi phasal horary points, given below - step 1. shallow needle on HT 4, keep for 20 mts, tone twice step 2. shallow needle on P 7, keep for 20 mts, even movement turning, v light, twice step 3. tone BL 23 of L, shallow needle, tone twice, follow with thread moxa, make certain it si thread, maybe 7 [one will presume there is no overt Heat] by now the Fire Water Axis will be largely settled and to a significant extent narcolepsy will have been contained frequency: 1 treatment every other day for 4 days, the every 4 days for 4 more turns this should make it so there is no more narcolepsy spells after this a supporting regimen can begin to take care of the problem birth onwards hope this helps dr holmes symptomology courtesy of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcolepsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Hi Lisa I would be really interested in how you get on with this case since I have a friend who suffers from narcolepsy. Feel free to contact me off- list if you prefer. Thanks. Kind regards Johanna Schuster, MAOM, Lic.Ac., MATCM(UK) Chinese Medicine , <lisa@m...> wrote: > Has anybody had any luck treating narcolepsy with acupuncture? I have a patient, age 46, who has suffered from narcolepsy since his late 20, early 30s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 take narcolepsy and connect it with catatonia then take catatonia and connect it with sleep apnea lastly take sleep apnea and place it on the legitimate element the answer is apparent holmes annahoj_mt wrote: > Hi Lisa > I would be really interested in how you get on with this case since I > have a friend who suffers from narcolepsy. Feel free to contact me off- > list if you prefer. Thanks. > > Kind regards > Johanna Schuster, MAOM, Lic.Ac., MATCM(UK) > > > Chinese Medicine , <lisa@m...> wrote: > > Has anybody had any luck treating narcolepsy with acupuncture? I > have a patient, age 46, who has suffered from narcolepsy since his late > 20, early 30s. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Hi Holmes & All Holmes wrote: > take narcolepsy and connect it with catatonia then take catatonia and > connect it with sleep apnea lastly take sleep apnea and place it on the > legitimate element the answer is apparent. holmes One may be tempted to put narcolepsy into the Fire Element, but, like every other symptom, the root may lie in one or more other elements, and maybe not in Fire at all. Holmes, I am a slow learner! The answer is not apparent to me. Please elaborate. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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