Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Dear All . I am searching for articles/ web site and detail information about bleeding or blood letting methods and if there is any explained mechanism of their effects , effects .side effects and contraindications . with great Regards . Dr,Fadaie _______________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 don't know of any sites, here's some stuff from my notes contraindications: 01. shan't be a bleeder 02. not prone to hypovolaemic shock 03. not overly sensitive to pain 04. not on medications which influence clotting 05. does not have a pacemaker 06. infant or child 07. very old patient 08. very frail patient 09. does not have skin lesions 10. has never had a + ve precancerous biopsy 11. is not unduly Dry in skin 12. dozen more something from my Q & A forum: Q nick yang or yin side? A nick yang side Q why yang side? A you tell me Q so never the yin side A never is a nasty word, of course the yin side Q but you just said .... A in TCM never is never ever Q so when on yin side? A when 'it' is a venule, or purple, or brown Q what is venule? A its a baby vein with pretensions to full veinhood Q should one nick capillaries? A yup, with some reservation on where you find these Q should one squeeze to exude Blood A ye gad! you answer that Q so why bleed? A so why not? Q seriously, why bleed? what advantage? A seriously, because there is never a disadvantage Q are you being, clever? A am Q name one disadvantage A you, if you nick someone standing upright hope this helps, in spite of the quality of frivolity holmes majid fadaie wrote: > Dear All . > > > I am searching for articles/ web site and detail information about bleeding > or blood letting methods and if there is any explained mechanism of their > effects , effects .side effects and contraindications . > > with great Regards . > > Dr,Fadaie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Hi, I have a lot of information about bloodletting from seminars i ran regarding the modality in South Africa. It is a very effective therapy and essential for any chronic case as per the sayings of the Nei Jing: " New diseases are in the channels, old diseases are in the network vessels (aka blood stasis) " and " If there is stagnation it should be resolved by bloodletting before acupuncture and/or moxibustion " . It is also very effective for pain, patterns of replete or vacuity heat and many dermatological diseases. There are also ways it can be used for blood vacuity patterns albeit at lower doses. There will be an upcoming seminar arranged by the South Australian College of Natural Medicine in bloodletting but if you are unable to attend contact me off list and i can arrange to post you out notes etc. Feroz Osman-Latib Head of Acupuncture and South Australian College of Natural Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 hi Dr.feroz I read your comment from E mail about blood letting.PLZ get to me any info about blood letting.especially for treatment of MS ,fatty,lumbago,... thanks Qadir M .MD Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Dear Dr Holmes, Thank you for very good information .could you inform me about the locations and indications of the points that are used for bleeding .I can not find a good reference book or articles on the procedure. thanks with regards , Dr,Fadaie >holmes <dkaikobad >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: blood letting of bleeding >Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:46:20 -0700 > >don't know of any sites, here's some stuff from my notes > >contraindications: > >01. shan't be a bleeder >02. not prone to hypovolaemic shock >03. not overly sensitive to pain >04. not on medications which influence clotting >05. does not have a pacemaker >06. infant or child >07. very old patient >08. very frail patient >09. does not have skin lesions >10. has never had a + ve precancerous biopsy >11. is not unduly Dry in skin >12. dozen more > >something from my Q & A forum: > >Q nick yang or yin side? >A nick yang side > >Q why yang side? >A you tell me > >Q so never the yin side >A never is a nasty word, of course the yin side > >Q but you just said .... >A in TCM never is never ever > >Q so when on yin side? >A when 'it' is a venule, or purple, or brown > >Q what is venule? >A its a baby vein with pretensions to full veinhood > >Q should one nick capillaries? >A yup, with some reservation on where you find these > >Q should one squeeze to exude Blood >A ye gad! you answer that > >Q so why bleed? >A so why not? > >Q seriously, why bleed? what advantage? >A seriously, because there is never a disadvantage > >Q are you being, clever? >A am > >Q name one disadvantage >A you, if you nick someone standing upright > >hope this helps, in spite of the quality of frivolity > >holmes > > > >majid fadaie wrote: > > Dear All . > > > > > > I am searching for articles/ web site and detail information about >bleeding > > or blood letting methods and if there is any explained mechanism of >their > > effects , effects .side effects and contraindications . > > > > with great Regards . > > > > Dr,Fadaie > > _______________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I would also like references on this. I have a patient that could benefit but I would need to feel prepared to do it. Thanks, Anne majid fadaie wrote: > Dear Dr Holmes, > > Thank you for very good information .could you inform me about the > locations > and indications of the points that are used for bleeding .I can not > find a > good reference book or articles on the procedure. > > > thanks with regards , > Dr,Fadaie > > > >holmes <dkaikobad > >Chinese Medicine > >Chinese Medicine > >Re: blood letting of bleeding > >Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:46:20 -0700 > > > >don't know of any sites, here's some stuff from my notes > > > >contraindications: > > > >01. shan't be a bleeder > >02. not prone to hypovolaemic shock > >03. not overly sensitive to pain > >04. not on medications which influence clotting > >05. does not have a pacemaker > >06. infant or child > >07. very old patient > >08. very frail patient > >09. does not have skin lesions > >10. has never had a + ve precancerous biopsy > >11. is not unduly Dry in skin > >12. dozen more > > > >something from my Q & A forum: > > > >Q nick yang or yin side? > >A nick yang side > > > >Q why yang side? > >A you tell me > > > >Q so never the yin side > >A never is a nasty word, of course the yin side > > > >Q but you just said .... > >A in TCM never is never ever > > > >Q so when on yin side? > >A when 'it' is a venule, or purple, or brown > > > >Q what is venule? > >A its a baby vein with pretensions to full veinhood > > > >Q should one nick capillaries? > >A yup, with some reservation on where you find these > > > >Q should one squeeze to exude Blood > >A ye gad! you answer that > > > >Q so why bleed? > >A so why not? > > > >Q seriously, why bleed? what advantage? > >A seriously, because there is never a disadvantage > > > >Q are you being, clever? > >A am > > > >Q name one disadvantage > >A you, if you nick someone standing upright > > > >hope this helps, in spite of the quality of frivolity > > > >holmes > > > > > > > >majid fadaie wrote: > > > Dear All . > > > > > > > > > I am searching for articles/ web site and detail information about > >bleeding > > > or blood letting methods and if there is any explained mechanism of > >their > > > effects , effects .side effects and contraindications . > > > > > > with great Regards . > > > > > > Dr,Fadaie > > > > > _______________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and > adjust accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the > group requires prior permission from the author. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Birch & Ida's " Japanese acupuncture, a clinical guide " has a good section on shiraku/bloodletting therapy. rh Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley <blazing.valley@v...> wrote: > > I would also like references on this. I have a patient that could > benefit but I would need to feel prepared to do it. > > Thanks, > > Anne > > majid fadaie wrote: > > > Dear Dr Holmes, > > > > Thank you for very good information .could you inform me about the > > locations > > and indications of the points that are used for bleeding .I can not > > find a > > good reference book or articles on the procedure. > > > > > > thanks with regards , > > Dr,Fadaie > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Thanks, Robbie Anne kampo36 wrote: > Birch & Ida's " Japanese acupuncture, a clinical guide " has a good > section on shiraku/bloodletting therapy. > > rh > > > Chinese Medicine , Anne Crowley > <blazing.valley@v...> wrote: > > > > I would also like references on this. I have a patient that could > > benefit but I would need to feel prepared to do it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Anne > > > > majid fadaie wrote: > > > > > Dear Dr Holmes, > > > > > > Thank you for very good information .could you inform me about > the > > > locations > > > and indications of the points that are used for bleeding .I can > not > > > find a > > > good reference book or articles on the procedure. > > > > > > > > > thanks with regards , > > > Dr,Fadaie > > > > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and > adjust accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the > group requires prior permission from the author. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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