Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Speaking of new and innovative techniques, I recently saw a new type of Chinese medical device that looks somewhat like a large hairpin, with a sharpened knife-edge at the tip (blade looks like a tiny flat-screwdriver tip but sharp). The shaft is much thicker than an acupuncture needle but it isn't too thick. Apparently these devices are becoming very popular in China lately for stubborn cases that need a strong response. The patient is given local anasthetic and then the knife-needle is inserted into the point; it is then manipulated to cut the muscle fibers. Like a minor surgical technique but with acupuncture roots. I don't think that this device has a proper English name, but the people at the World Federation of Societies in Beijing were calling it an acupotome or something like that in the absence of a commonly accepted English name. Has anyone ever seen this device in use? It is probably outside our scope of practice in the US, but perhaps others have seen the results (good or bad) of this tool in China or other countries? Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Eric Brand wrote: > Speaking of new and innovative techniques, I recently saw a new type > of Chinese medical device that looks somewhat like a large hairpin, > with a sharpened knife-edge at the tip (blade looks like a tiny > flat-screwdriver tip but sharp). The shaft is much thicker than an > acupuncture needle but it isn't too thick > this could be fashioned after the 'Sword-like Needle' this is one of the ancient Nine Needles Miraculous Pivot mentions the dimensions at: 4 cun long & 2 cun wide clinical application: cauterization and cutting conditions: large wards, anorectal polyps, vericosities, benign dermatoma One more which comes to mind is the 'Saggital Needle' Miraculous Pivot mentions the dimensions at: 1.6 cun with a large head and a sharp tip contemporary dimensions: handle made of wood 4 cm, needle made of molybdenum 10 cm conditions: to reduce yang qi to treat general Heat and Heat of the head modern applications are varied and more complex of course none of this is valid nor permissible in the West from: Dr. Shi Huaitang's Research & Application of the New Nine Needles dr holmes www.acu-free.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Chinese Medicine , holmes <dkaikobad@c...> wrote: > > Eric Brand wrote: > > Speaking of new and innovative techniques, I recently saw a new type > > of Chinese medical device that looks somewhat like a large hairpin, > > with a sharpened knife-edge at the tip (blade looks like a tiny > > flat-screwdriver tip but sharp). The shaft is much thicker than an > > acupuncture needle but it isn't too thick > > > > this could be fashioned after the 'Sword-like Needle' Yes, it is similar to an ancient needle, but it is somewhat different and is used for different conditions. I saw one for the first time when I was in China recently, and I'd never heard of it before. They say that it is pretty new. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Eric This technique was developed by Prof Zhu Hanzhong but is actually originally developed by a new Zealand Dr and is known as the Rees procedure. It works well for primary myofascial disorders Oakland, CA 94609 - Eric Brand Chinese Medicine Friday, December 16, 2005 11:00 PM Innovative techniques Speaking of new and innovative techniques, I recently saw a new type of Chinese medical device that looks somewhat like a large hairpin, with a sharpened knife-edge at the tip (blade looks like a tiny flat-screwdriver tip but sharp). The shaft is much thicker than an acupuncture needle but it isn't too thick. Apparently these devices are becoming very popular in China lately for stubborn cases that need a strong response. The patient is given local anasthetic and then the knife-needle is inserted into the point; it is then manipulated to cut the muscle fibers. Like a minor surgical technique but with acupuncture roots. I don't think that this device has a proper English name, but the people at the World Federation of Societies in Beijing were calling it an acupotome or something like that in the absence of a commonly accepted English name. Has anyone ever seen this device in use? It is probably outside our scope of practice in the US, but perhaps others have seen the results (good or bad) of this tool in China or other countries? Eric Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Alon, Isn't there a needle like this in the classical " 9 needles " as in Zhen Jiu Da Cheng? Mike L. <alonmarcus wrote: Eric This technique was developed by Prof Zhu Hanzhong but is actually originally developed by a new Zealand Dr and is known as the Rees procedure. It works well for primary myofascial disorders Oakland, CA 94609 - Eric Brand Chinese Medicine Friday, December 16, 2005 11:00 PM Innovative techniques Speaking of new and innovative techniques, I recently saw a new type of Chinese medical device that looks somewhat like a large hairpin, with a sharpened knife-edge at the tip (blade looks like a tiny flat-screwdriver tip but sharp). The shaft is much thicker than an acupuncture needle but it isn't too thick. Apparently these devices are becoming very popular in China lately for stubborn cases that need a strong response. The patient is given local anasthetic and then the knife-needle is inserted into the point; it is then manipulated to cut the muscle fibers. Like a minor surgical technique but with acupuncture roots. I don't think that this device has a proper English name, but the people at the World Federation of Societies in Beijing were calling it an acupotome or something like that in the absence of a commonly accepted English name. Has anyone ever seen this device in use? It is probably outside our scope of practice in the US, but perhaps others have seen the results (good or bad) of this tool in China or other countries? Eric Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Mike Kind of but this is a real cutting edge needle Oakland, CA 94609 - Mike Liaw Chinese Medicine Saturday, December 17, 2005 9:07 PM Re: Innovative techniques Alon, Isn't there a needle like this in the classical " 9 needles " as in Zhen Jiu Da Cheng? Mike L. <alonmarcus wrote: Eric This technique was developed by Prof Zhu Hanzhong but is actually originally developed by a new Zealand Dr and is known as the Rees procedure. It works well for primary myofascial disorders Oakland, CA 94609 - Eric Brand Chinese Medicine Friday, December 16, 2005 11:00 PM Innovative techniques Speaking of new and innovative techniques, I recently saw a new type of Chinese medical device that looks somewhat like a large hairpin, with a sharpened knife-edge at the tip (blade looks like a tiny flat-screwdriver tip but sharp). The shaft is much thicker than an acupuncture needle but it isn't too thick. Apparently these devices are becoming very popular in China lately for stubborn cases that need a strong response. The patient is given local anasthetic and then the knife-needle is inserted into the point; it is then manipulated to cut the muscle fibers. Like a minor surgical technique but with acupuncture roots. I don't think that this device has a proper English name, but the people at the World Federation of Societies in Beijing were calling it an acupotome or something like that in the absence of a commonly accepted English name. Has anyone ever seen this device in use? It is probably outside our scope of practice in the US, but perhaps others have seen the results (good or bad) of this tool in China or other countries? Eric Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Hi all. I have seen this in China, but the guys which sells it told me it is not comomly used. Most of the users are old chinese guys inside the country. It hurts a lot and can bring some infeccion. The device is not expensive and there are many Chinese books writen about this. I could not find chinese-english books. In resume, I think this is a tool for the old fibrosis cases with do not respond to acupuncture but today we have physioterapy, which can help in those situations. Best wishes Jean G. F. Joaquim, DVM, MS Acupuncture and Homeopathie Service University of State of São Paulo www.fmvz.unesp.br - Chinese Medicine Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:06 AM Re: Innovative techniques Mike Kind of but this is a real cutting edge needle Oakland, CA 94609 - Mike Liaw Chinese Medicine Saturday, December 17, 2005 9:07 PM Re: Innovative techniques Alon, Isn't there a needle like this in the classical " 9 needles " as in Zhen Jiu Da Cheng? Mike L. <alonmarcus wrote: Eric This technique was developed by Prof Zhu Hanzhong but is actually originally developed by a new Zealand Dr and is known as the Rees procedure. It works well for primary myofascial disorders Oakland, CA 94609 - Eric Brand Chinese Medicine Friday, December 16, 2005 11:00 PM Innovative techniques Speaking of new and innovative techniques, I recently saw a new type of Chinese medical device that looks somewhat like a large hairpin, with a sharpened knife-edge at the tip (blade looks like a tiny flat-screwdriver tip but sharp). The shaft is much thicker than an acupuncture needle but it isn't too thick. Apparently these devices are becoming very popular in China lately for stubborn cases that need a strong response. The patient is given local anasthetic and then the knife-needle is inserted into the point; it is then manipulated to cut the muscle fibers. Like a minor surgical technique but with acupuncture roots. I don't think that this device has a proper English name, but the people at the World Federation of Societies in Beijing were calling it an acupotome or something like that in the absence of a commonly accepted English name. Has anyone ever seen this device in use? It is probably outside our scope of practice in the US, but perhaps others have seen the results (good or bad) of this tool in China or other countries? Eric Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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