Guest guest Posted December 6, 2000 Report Share Posted December 6, 2000 The seminal fluid enters the prostate in either case (just not the semen itself). I've asked that same question and never gotten a clear answer. It's much same response that I've gotten when asking about microwave ovens, and recently " discovered " food such as quinoa... ie " we don't have enough information yet " . David Al Stone wrote: > David Leonard wrote: > > > My taoist teachers suggest not letting the " qi " enter the penis during > > sex. What this refers to is the fluid entering the vas just prior to > > ejaculation. > > What do you or your teachers have to say about the vasectomy as a means > of lessening the loss of jing? > > -- > Al Stone L.Ac. > <AlStone > http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > ------ > Name: alstone.vcf > alstone.vcf Type: VCard (text/x-vcard) > Encoding: 7bit > Description: Card for Al Stone -- ************************* David Leonard, L.Ac. Medicine at your Feet 808.573.3600 http://www.medicineatyourfeet.com Herbal Apprenticeship Program and Distance Learning Healing Vacations / Hawaiian Adventure Programs Advanced Herbal Training for Acupuncturists Acupuncture, Bodywork, & Qigong (Chinese Yoga) Subscribe to our newsletter: http://www.medicineatyourfeet.com/.html Join our discussion group: herbalmedicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2000 Report Share Posted December 7, 2000 The seminal fluid enters the prostate in either case (just not the semen itself). I've asked that same question and never gotten a clear answer. It's much same response that I've gotten when asking about microwave ovens, and recently "discovered" food such as quinoa... ie "wedon't have enough information yet".>>>>I have seen several patients (all acupuncturists) that developed urinary symptoms as well as erection trouble by using retention techniques. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Hi - I practice acupuncture and Chinese herbs in Australia and I was wondering if anyone could help me. One of my clients asked me the other day what I thought the TCM implications were of having a vasectomy. I explained about blocking the flow of the meridians, especially the Liver etc etc, however as the majority of my clients are female I have not been able to observe both the short and long term physical and emotional consequences of this very common operation. Some of my thoughts are that it would cause a stagnation of Liver qi, impede the flow of the Ren Mai and from this, at the very least, cause alot of anger. On the flipside, because the sperm is being preserved - literally being reabsorbed by the body - does this mean that the Jing is also being preserved?? I'm not sure about that last bit, however the more I thought about this the further deeper it becomes. I would very much appreciate any thoughts on this topic, or any suggested reading. Thank you - happy treatments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 But, the primary fxn of a vasectomy is to prevent pregnancy. Ditto tubal ligations. These are, really, the only sure fire methods - no bad pun intended. Consider the liver qi stag effects of insufficient intimacy in a physically abled relationship. Seems this would cause a whole lot more anger than any that might result from a bit of tubal obstruction! Also, compared to the stress of non-permanent birth control, and adverse side efx of any chemical methods, I would sure choose just snipping the source! --- mjmnh <mjmnh wrote: > One of my clients asked me the other day what I thought the TCM implications were of having a vasectomy. I explained about blocking the flow of the meridians, especially the Liver etc etc, however as the majority of my clients are female I have not been able to observe both the short and long term physical and emotional consequences of this very common operation. > Some of my thoughts are that it would cause a stagnation of Liver qi, impede the flow of the Ren Mai and from this, at the very least, cause alot of anger.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Over the last 38 yrs of my practice 3 of the four patients who have had testicular cancer had vasectomies first. I also had one patient who after a vasectomy had a series of complications due to very high semen production and he lost a testicle. These are only anecdotal i know but since my own searches have produced no actual studies they stand as reason enough to not encourage this snip in my male patients On 2/4/06, J. Lynn Detamore <lynndetamore wrote: > > But, the primary fxn of a vasectomy is to prevent > pregnancy. Ditto tubal ligations. These are, > really, the only sure fire methods - no bad pun > intended. Consider the liver qi stag effects > of insufficient intimacy in a physically abled > relationship. Seems this would cause a whole lot > more anger than any that might result from a bit > of tubal obstruction! > Also, compared to the stress of non-permanent > birth control, and adverse side efx of any > chemical methods, I would sure choose just > snipping the source! > > --- mjmnh <mjmnh wrote: > > One of my clients asked me the other day what I > thought the TCM implications were of having a > vasectomy. I explained about blocking the flow of > the meridians, especially the Liver etc etc, > however as the majority of my clients are female > I have not been able to observe both the short > and long term physical and emotional consequences > of this very common operation. > > Some of my thoughts are that it would cause a > stagnation of Liver qi, impede the flow of the > Ren Mai and from this, at the very least, cause > alot of anger.... > > > > > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 J. Lynn Detamore wrote: > But, the primary fxn of a vasectomy is to prevent pregnancy. Ditto > tubal ligations. Hi J. Lynn! I don't like either of these, although I am not sure that it would always lead to a differentiation of " a stagnation of Liver qi, impede the flow of the Ren Mai " etc. My experience with surgery and caring for patients after surgery is that surgery, regardless of how " minor " , is to be avoided if at all possible. That said, if you have internal traumatic injuries, malignant growths or serious fractures you will most likely benefit from surgery. But just to not have babies - there are less invasive ways to not have babies, some of these are even " natural " . I don't know anyone who has undergone sterilization at the request of a partner who is still with that same partner. I think if you really love someone you wouldn't ask for something like that, and such a request should be a red flag about the relationship. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 In a message dated 2/5/2006 2:06:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, petetheisen writes: That said, if you have internal traumatic injuries, malignant growths or serious fractures you will most likely benefit from surgery. But just to not have babies - there are less invasive ways to not have babies, some of these are even " natural " . I don't know anyone who has undergone sterilization at the request of a partner who is still with that same partner. I think if you really love someone you wouldn't ask for something like that, and such a request should be a red flag about the relationship. Regards, Pete Hi Pete, I would be interested in the less invasive ways to not have babies. Particularly the " natural " ones. In the case of my wife and I, well,,,,, ahhhh,,,,, we failed miserably at every approach of birth control we tried. And we followed the directions for all of them. Except the pill. That did prevent pregnancy, however, the toll on her body was not acceptable, so we stopped. Then I got snipped. It was a little weird, but the improvement in our relationship was huge. As someone mentioned previously, the liver stag caused by the concern of pregnancy was dramatic. On the other side, the safety of knowing there would be no pregnancy transformed our marriage. Part of the transformation, was the " gift " I gave my wife so that she would not have to be responsible for birth control, nor torture her body. She really appreciates that I would sacrifice my self in this way for her betterment. And, we are still together, and will continue to live happily, until the end. I do however, feel the vasectomy has produced some congestion and shifted my hormonal response somewhat. For that, I get to be aware of the tendency of my body producing less testosterone and potential testicular problems. At this point, I believe with good diet and supplementation I am over coming the downside. To me, it is a small price to pay for the improvement in intimacy in our marriage. I think that in the future, after Julia is well past child barring age, I may have the vasectomy reversed. My two cents, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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