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Musiclear wrote:

 

> In a message dated 2/5/2006 2:06:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> petetheisen writes:

> That said, if you have internal traumatic injuries, malignant growths or

> serious fractures you will most likely benefit from surgery. But just to

> not have babies - there are less invasive ways to not have babies, some

> of these are even " natural " .

>

I would be interested in hearing more about the natural birth control.

I've tried the rhythm method and the other only natural birth control I

know of would be abstainence.

 

Jamie

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I have a 4 year old daughter as proof that the rhythm method doesn't

work. :-)

 

The fact is that a healthy young body is designed for procreation. If

we choose to not have children we must create barriers against this

natural tendency by barriers, hormones or surgery. For those who have

had all the children they want, or choose to not have any children at

all, a vasectomy or tubal ligation may be the best option in terms of

long term cost, effectiveness and convenience.

 

Anyone who has raised children knows that the Qi stagnation caused by

minor surgery is nothing compared to the Qi stagnation of rising a child

for 18+ years... :-)

 

Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

Oasis Acupuncture

http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte

Suite D-35

Scottsdale, AZ 85258

Phone: (480) 991-3650

Fax: (480) 247-4472

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of

Whartenby!

Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:30 PM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Vasectomy/Natural Birth Control

 

 

Musiclear wrote:

 

> In a message dated 2/5/2006 2:06:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> petetheisen writes:

> That said, if you have internal traumatic injuries, malignant growths

or

> serious fractures you will most likely benefit from surgery. But just

to

> not have babies - there are less invasive ways to not have babies,

some

> of these are even " natural " .

>

I would be interested in hearing more about the natural birth control.

I've tried the rhythm method and the other only natural birth control I

know of would be abstainence.

 

Jamie

 

 

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My " rythm method " son is 3-1/2. :-) I was living in NYC when 9/11 happened. It

threw

off my wife's cycle and my son was thus conceived. I love my son more than

anything- at

least some good things have come out of 9/11. I'm sure there are other 9/11

babies out

there. The rythm method is far too subject to these sorts of intererences to be

considered

reliable.

 

I would also have to agree with Christopher's comment about Qi stagnation,

although at

times my son is the best and only medicine I need!

 

Greg

 

Chinese Medicine , " Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. "

<ckvedeler wrote:

>

> I have a 4 year old daughter as proof that the rhythm method doesn't

> work. :-)

>

> The fact is that a healthy young body is designed for procreation. If

> we choose to not have children we must create barriers against this

> natural tendency by barriers, hormones or surgery. For those who have

> had all the children they want, or choose to not have any children at

> all, a vasectomy or tubal ligation may be the best option in terms of

> long term cost, effectiveness and convenience.

>

> Anyone who has raised children knows that the Qi stagnation caused by

> minor surgery is nothing compared to the Qi stagnation of rising a child

> for 18+ years... :-)

>

> Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

> Oasis Acupuncture

> http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

> 8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte

> Suite D-35

> Scottsdale, AZ 85258

> Phone: (480) 991-3650

> Fax: (480) 247-4472

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of

> Whartenby!

> Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:30 PM

> Chinese Medicine

> Re: Vasectomy/Natural Birth Control

>

>

> Musiclear wrote:

>

> > In a message dated 2/5/2006 2:06:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> > petetheisen writes:

> > That said, if you have internal traumatic injuries, malignant growths

> or

> > serious fractures you will most likely benefit from surgery. But just

> to

> > not have babies - there are less invasive ways to not have babies,

> some

> > of these are even " natural " .

> >

> I would be interested in hearing more about the natural birth control.

> I've tried the rhythm method and the other only natural birth control I

> know of would be abstainence.

>

> Jamie

>

>

> Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click,

> http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145

>

>

> and

> adjust accordingly.

>

> Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the

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>

> Please consider the environment and only print this message if

> absolutely necessary.

>

>

>

>

>

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Greg, I agree. Although my daughter wasn't planned, she is the

highlight of my life, and the best medicine I've ever had.

 

It seems that sometimes the best things in life are those that we have

absolutely no plan for and just broadside us when we least expect it.

 

Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

Oasis Acupuncture

http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte

Suite D-35

Scottsdale, AZ 85258

Phone: (480) 991-3650

Fax: (480) 247-4472

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Greg

A. Livingston

Monday, February 06, 2006 4:25 PM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Vasectomy/Natural Birth Control

 

 

My " rythm method " son is 3-1/2. :-) I was living in NYC when 9/11

happened. It threw

off my wife's cycle and my son was thus conceived. I love my son more

than anything- at

least some good things have come out of 9/11. I'm sure there are other

9/11 babies out

there. The rythm method is far too subject to these sorts of

intererences to be considered

reliable.

 

I would also have to agree with Christopher's comment about Qi

stagnation, although at

times my son is the best and only medicine I need!

 

Greg

 

Chinese Medicine , " Christopher

Vedeler L.Ac. "

<ckvedeler wrote:

>

> I have a 4 year old daughter as proof that the rhythm method doesn't

> work. :-)

>

> The fact is that a healthy young body is designed for procreation. If

> we choose to not have children we must create barriers against this

> natural tendency by barriers, hormones or surgery. For those who have

> had all the children they want, or choose to not have any children at

> all, a vasectomy or tubal ligation may be the best option in terms of

> long term cost, effectiveness and convenience.

>

> Anyone who has raised children knows that the Qi stagnation caused by

> minor surgery is nothing compared to the Qi stagnation of rising a

child

> for 18+ years... :-)

>

> Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

> Oasis Acupuncture

> http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

> 8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte

> Suite D-35

> Scottsdale, AZ 85258

> Phone: (480) 991-3650

> Fax: (480) 247-4472

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of

> Whartenby!

> Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:30 PM

> Chinese Medicine

> Re: Vasectomy/Natural Birth Control

>

>

> Musiclear wrote:

>

> > In a message dated 2/5/2006 2:06:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> > petetheisen writes:

> > That said, if you have internal traumatic injuries, malignant

growths

> or

> > serious fractures you will most likely benefit from surgery. But

just

> to

> > not have babies - there are less invasive ways to not have babies,

> some

> > of these are even " natural " .

> >

> I would be interested in hearing more about the natural birth control.

 

> I've tried the rhythm method and the other only natural birth control

I

> know of would be abstainence.

>

> Jamie

>

>

> Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click,

> http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145

>

>

> and

> adjust accordingly.

>

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> absolutely necessary.

>

>

>

>

>

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And on the other side of that coin, even vasectomys are not 100%. I have a

2 month old daughter thanks to a vasectomy. Good thing she is cute ;)

 

But my husband has a lot of stagnation and pain in the scrotum from the

surgery.

Julie

 

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" Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. " <ckvedeler

<Chinese Medicine >

Monday, February 06, 2006 7:34 PM

RE: Vasectomy/Natural Birth Control

 

 

> Greg, I agree. Although my daughter wasn't planned, she is the

> highlight of my life, and the best medicine I've ever had.

>

> It seems that sometimes the best things in life are those that we have

> absolutely no plan for and just broadside us when we least expect it.

>

> Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

> Oasis Acupuncture

> http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

> 8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte

> Suite D-35

> Scottsdale, AZ 85258

> Phone: (480) 991-3650

> Fax: (480) 247-4472

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Greg

> A. Livingston

> Monday, February 06, 2006 4:25 PM

> Chinese Medicine

> Re: Vasectomy/Natural Birth Control

>

>

> My " rythm method " son is 3-1/2. :-) I was living in NYC when 9/11

> happened. It threw

> off my wife's cycle and my son was thus conceived. I love my son more

> than anything- at

> least some good things have come out of 9/11. I'm sure there are other

> 9/11 babies out

> there. The rythm method is far too subject to these sorts of

> intererences to be considered

> reliable.

>

> I would also have to agree with Christopher's comment about Qi

> stagnation, although at

> times my son is the best and only medicine I need!

>

> Greg

>

> Chinese Medicine , " Christopher

> Vedeler L.Ac. "

> <ckvedeler wrote:

>>

>> I have a 4 year old daughter as proof that the rhythm method doesn't

>> work. :-)

>>

>> The fact is that a healthy young body is designed for procreation. If

>> we choose to not have children we must create barriers against this

>> natural tendency by barriers, hormones or surgery. For those who have

>> had all the children they want, or choose to not have any children at

>> all, a vasectomy or tubal ligation may be the best option in terms of

>> long term cost, effectiveness and convenience.

>>

>> Anyone who has raised children knows that the Qi stagnation caused by

>> minor surgery is nothing compared to the Qi stagnation of rising a

> child

>> for 18+ years... :-)

>>

>> Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

>> Oasis Acupuncture

>> http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

>> 8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte

>> Suite D-35

>> Scottsdale, AZ 85258

>> Phone: (480) 991-3650

>> Fax: (480) 247-4472

>>

>>

>> Chinese Medicine

>> Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of

>> Whartenby!

>> Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:30 PM

>> Chinese Medicine

>> Re: Vasectomy/Natural Birth Control

>>

>>

>> Musiclear wrote:

>>

>> > In a message dated 2/5/2006 2:06:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>> > petetheisen writes:

>> > That said, if you have internal traumatic injuries, malignant

> growths

>> or

>> > serious fractures you will most likely benefit from surgery. But

> just

>> to

>> > not have babies - there are less invasive ways to not have babies,

>> some

>> > of these are even " natural " .

>> >

>> I would be interested in hearing more about the natural birth control.

>

>> I've tried the rhythm method and the other only natural birth control

> I

>> know of would be abstainence.

>>

>> Jamie

>>

>>

>> Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click,

>> http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145

>>

>>

>> and

>> adjust accordingly.

>>

>> Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the

>> group requires prior permission from the author.

>>

>> Please consider the environment and only print this message if

>> absolutely necessary.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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