Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:26:07 EST, DrGRPorter wrote: >Without the extensive training that you or other members of this group have had, even I have had similar experiences. While acknowledging the respect, my own training is not that extensive, and in the presence of people like Drs. Shen, Hammer, Jeffery, etc., and many in this forum, " expert " is a term I would not use to describe myself. What you point to above is, though, crucial. At any level of training, experience, or " mastery " , those experiences (if I'm interpreting your words correctly) are what puts us all in the same boat, and motivates us to investigate further, and communicate about it ( " stand on each others' shoulders " , to quote a famous depiction of knowledge/science across history). >In order to determine if this experience is significant, it would be important to look at all the myriad things that did not get detected. I'm reminded of a young MD I once met, fresh out of medical school, who was fascinated by the notion of holistic medicine, but intimidated in that his training led him to interpret this as meaning becoming expert in all the myriad specialties of Western medicine, i.e. to be able to see and understand the " whole " . Agreeing with Paul Unschuld (and my own Western education), biomedicine is the best (read: " most rationally convincing " ) medicine so far in human history. Gilded as it may be, it's a cage. (In the words of one of Ted Kaptchuk's article titles Gold Standard (DB-RCT) or Golden Calf?) Anything that enables also implies limitations (as in the Buddhist proverb you mentioned). >Thus, this one experience (that perhaps most have had at one time or another) is dramatic and might point us in the wrong direction regarding the conclusion we take from it. From the pure (perhaps " naïve " Western mindset, any mode of knowledge other than " objective " validation might well be seen as a wrong direction. Second-guessing your own experience could also be the of self-judging proprioception of the rational mind. Diversion to expand the point: There was a cultural-historical theory (mid-20th century) I once came across that history can be seen in large scale phases, namely from " magical " , to " religious " , to " rational " and then a new (currently emerging) age of the " aperspective " . The rational can be epitomized by perspective in painting the focus of objects and relative sizes such that everything is properly placed and proportioned relative to a single focal point off in the distance. Then everything appears real, objective, and socio-culturally proper. In art, cubism and abstract expressionism marked the beginnings of human investigations beyond the rational. Simultaneously relativity and quantum mechanics in physics. The term " aperspective " means " free from perspective " (this " a- " is called alpha-privitive, as in 'agnostic' or 'amoral', as well as numerous medical terms). It means not that having a fixed perspective is wrong, but rather that we might discover it is not the whole story. Note this theory, like the shifts in art and physics, accompanied the early phases (e.g. " world wars " ) of what we now call globalization -- the confrontation of the major cultural traditions (on terms other than colonialization). So that writer's sense of the aperspective makes sense in a world now where different world-views need to be somewhat mutually recognized. Each is self-evidently true in its own context, but must face the fact nowadays that for other cultures truth appears differently. > Clearly an aortic aneurysm is not an abstraction. Neither is a large lump in a breast. In the continuum of things regarded as " real " v " abstract, " belief systems, spirituality and cognition are far more abstract. This isn't to say that they cannot be explored, but rather that we should be careful with our words since we're on shaky ground, so to speak. Admittedly, distention in an artery, or 'aortic aneurysm,' and a lump in the breast, or 'neoplasm,' can be taken as descriptions of phenomena. I was referring to them as technical terms. The point about the terms (abstract vs concrete) is subtle but defensible. A datum of objective evidence is an abstraction in that it requires a mindset, a belief system, to appreciate its significance. The significance of objective data is an abstraction of meaning from the phenomena. The setting has to be rigidly controlled by the methodology in order to isolate analytical meaning, a sort of rigorously defined perspective. Not unlike that Platonic scenario in which ideas give meaning to appearances. I just came across (during " Spring cleaning " ) an article by Z'ev that fills in a lot of gaps in this discussion(1). I will paraphrase the main metaphor with a (briefer) anecdote of a New England farmer and his axe " it's been in the family for 5 generations; we replaced the handle 4 times and the axe head 3 times but it's the same axe. " Is a particular piece of wood (the handle) more real (concrete) than the its belonging to the functional reality of the axe? Is an " object " really more concrete than its usage? It's a matter of perspective. One of Z'ev's points in the article is the importance of the relationship of things in usage (or Sx etc. in medical conditions), and that Chinese medicine is more about relationships than objective particulars. Maybe, aspects of Chinese medicine can be key to a more exact science of relationships. One of the bits of current science I alluded to earlier is a study of the cognitive dimension of visual perception. A picture of a tiger in some setting is presented to two groups of subjects. One group consists of persons educated in Asian cultures (say group A), the other educated in Western cultures (say Group W) -- the independent variables. The dependent variables were mined from the descriptive comments when the subjects were asked to relate what they saw in the picture. Statistically significant differences were discovered: group A tended to relate observations about the relationship of the tiger to the rest of the picture; group W tended to relate particulars about the tiger itself. (Spring cleaning notwithstanding, I've not yet located this article to be able to supply the reference.) While I'm at it, the other bit of science I ran across(2) . Most human languages do not distinguish between the colors blue and green, i.e. have only one word for it. Investigators at Univ. Chicago and UCBerkeley found native English speakers (English, Germanic languages in general, have " blue " and " green " ) were faster at distinguishing (the colors) when they appeared within the right visual field. The effect vanished if the subjects were given left-brain (mathematical) challenges simultaneously. Right visual field goes to the left brain, as we know, and left brain processes language, usually. The somewhat surprising conclusion is that language appears to condition perception neurologically. There's nothing here about Chinese, per se, but I doubt that anyone reading this in this forum wasn't reminded right off the bat that Chinese " qing " , the color of the liver, is somehow blue-green. In fact, after this article, I noticed in a Chinese art work on the wall in my clinic an uncannily beautiful shade of blue-green used for the foilage it's distinctly blue and green to the same degree (to my perception!). Scientific method is leading us deeper into understanding of " reality " , ie as culturally influenced and physiologically conditioned perception of meaning. Research, once we figure out how (with a little help from our friends, like Ted Kaptchuk), can become a powerful validation for aspects of Chinese medicine, as long as we keep our perspectives in perspective, so to speak. To extend Guy's thought " it would be important to look at all the myriad things that did not get detected " it's also important to look at the how we detect things. References: (1) " The DELPHIC BOAT and the YELLOW EMPEROR: Thoughts on " ; except from " Reflections on the Nan Jing " [published?]; PCOM newsletter " Oriental Medicine " , Summer 2005 [accessible on the internet?] (2) " What You See Is What You Say " , by Charles Q. Choi [sic]; Scientific American, March 2006, p. 32. (synopsis of a report in " Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA " , January 10th issue. 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