Example of Definitive Edition (translation)

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I recently ran across a relatively new English edition of the " Tao Te

Ching " which uses what as close to ideal methodology as I have seen

for rendering a classical Chinese text.*

 

In addition to a straight-out English translation (1), like any other

one, it includes the following features:

 

2) " Verbatim translation " for each character of the whole book (in

table format) giving the following:

a) verse and line position

b) the Chinese character

c) the number of the character's radical (to help lookup in a Chinese

dictionary)

d) an English transliteration of the character

e) " a list of English equivalents (definitions, interpretive

meanings, and commonly used terms) that correspond to the character "

 

Whereas the straight translation takes 82 pages, this " verbatim "

translation takes 161 pages!

 

3) Notes on the Verbatim Translation

 

4) Commentary on Verse 1

 

5) Definitions, Concordance(!), and Wade Pinyin Conversion

 

6) List of radicals (with the character/radical, its number,

transliteration, AND a definition this I've never run across before)

 

7) (Appendix) Some of the earliest English translations of Verse One

(9 different ones, from 1868 to 1916, including one by James Legge)

 

The only notable drawback I've noticed so far is the use of the

Wade-Giles transliteration method, e.g. to look up " bone " (gu) in the

concordance, one has to know to look under " ku " . Bummer!

 

As a taste of this " verbatim translation " , here's the verse and

verbatim for a snippet from verse 3 (which could be said to relate to

medicine):

 

Translation:

Thus the sage rules

by stilling minds and opening hearts

by filling bellies and strengthening bones

 

Verbatim: (for the last two lines of this)

i.e. verse-char Ch.char radical meanings

(the meaning portion uses various special delimiters to indicate

different aspects)

I don't show the character here, but note a couple we know well: xu,

shi, fu (in pinyin).

 

03-34 [char xu, as in " vacuity " ] 141 chih empty / empties /make

empty / vacuous / " opening " / " relaxing " (Chung) / " unpreoccupied "

(Parker) / ~pacify /calm / purify / peace / " put at ease "

 

3-35 [char] 12 ch'i their / (the people's) / his

 

3-36 [char] 61 hsin heart /mind / heart [of desire] /mind [of

envy] / ~negative emotions, what upsets them }}}>open-minded / humble

/mind free of too many ideas [and][but]

3-37 [char shi, as in " repletion " ] 40b shih fill / " reinforcing "

3-38 [char] 12 ch'i their / (the people's) / his

3-39 [char fu, as in zangfu] 130 fu bellies / stomachs / middle /

" centers " / " seat of the mind " / (inward reality / resolve / soul) /

~as an adjective, " dear, " " intimate " " what is dear to them (Carus)

Putting that together, literally (my rendition using the terms as we

know them): " vacating the heart and repleting the bowels "

Would that we had comparable resources for the CM classics! Here's

perhaps some PhD-level work for the next generation or two of scholars.

* Tao Te Ching, trans & commentary by Jonathan Star; Penguin, New

York, 2001; ISBN 1-58542-269-X (paperback)

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I hope, that you con enjoy them.

Sincerilly

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I recently ran across a relatively new English edition of the " Tao Te

Ching " which uses what as close to ideal methodology as I have seen

for rendering a classical Chinese text.*

 

In addition to a straight-out English translation (1), like any other

one, it includes the following features:

 

2) " Verbatim translation " for each character of the whole book (in

table format) giving the following:

a) verse and line position

b) the Chinese character

c) the number of the character's radical (to help lookup in a Chinese

dictionary)

d) an English transliteration of the character

e) " a list of English equivalents (definitions, interpretive

meanings, and commonly used terms) that correspond to the character "

 

Whereas the straight translation takes 82 pages, this " verbatim "

translation takes 161 pages!

 

3) Notes on the Verbatim Translation

 

4) Commentary on Verse 1

 

5) Definitions, Concordance(!), and Wade Pinyin Conversion

 

6) List of radicals (with the character/radical, its number,

transliteration, AND a definition this I've never run across before)

 

7) (Appendix) Some of the earliest English translations of Verse One

(9 different ones, from 1868 to 1916, including one by James Legge)

 

The only notable drawback I've noticed so far is the use of the

Wade-Giles transliteration method, e.g. to look up " bone " (gu) in the

concordance, one has to know to look under " ku " . Bummer!

 

As a taste of this " verbatim translation " , here's the verse and

verbatim for a snippet from verse 3 (which could be said to relate to

medicine):

 

Translation:

Thus the sage rules

by stilling minds and opening hearts

by filling bellies and strengthening bones

 

Verbatim: (for the last two lines of this)

i.e. verse-char Ch.char radical meanings

(the meaning portion uses various special delimiters to indicate

different aspects)

I don't show the character here, but note a couple we know well: xu,

shi, fu (in pinyin).

 

03-34 [char xu, as in " vacuity " ] 141 chih empty / empties /make

empty / vacuous / " opening " / " relaxing " (Chung) / " unpreoccupied "

(Parker) / ~pacify /calm / purify / peace / " put at ease "

 

3-35 [char] 12 ch'i their / (the people's) / his

 

3-36 [char] 61 hsin heart /mind / heart [of desire] /mind [of

envy] / ~negative emotions, what upsets them }}}>open-minded / humble

/mind free of too many ideas [and][but]

3-37 [char shi, as in " repletion " ] 40b shih fill / " reinforcing "

3-38 [char] 12 ch'i their / (the people's) / his

3-39 [char fu, as in zangfu] 130 fu bellies / stomachs / middle /

" centers " / " seat of the mind " / (inward reality / resolve / soul) /

~as an adjective, " dear, " " intimate " " what is dear to them (Carus)

Putting that together, literally (my rendition using the terms as we

know them): " vacating the heart and repleting the bowels "

Would that we had comparable resources for the CM classics! Here's

perhaps some PhD-level work for the next generation or two of scholars.

* Tao Te Ching, trans & commentary by Jonathan Star; Penguin, New

York, 2001; ISBN 1-58542-269-X (paperback)

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Hello:

 

Why the attachment is not into these mail?

The best regards

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See the attach into this mail. It has 3 files. All of these are in Spanish.

This are books in compress format. I know that, there are many people in the

gruop on spanish languaje.

I hope, that you con enjoy them.

Sincerilly

Adriana Moiron

 

escribió:

 

I recently ran across a relatively new English edition of the " Tao Te

Ching " which uses what as close to ideal methodology as I have seen

for rendering a classical Chinese text.*

 

In addition to a straight-out English translation (1), like any other

one, it includes the following features:

 

2) " Verbatim translation " for each character of the whole book (in

table format) giving the following:

a) verse and line position

b) the Chinese character

c) the number of the character's radical (to help lookup in a Chinese

dictionary)

d) an English transliteration of the character

e) " a list of English equivalents (definitions, interpretive

meanings, and commonly used terms) that correspond to the character "

 

Whereas the straight translation takes 82 pages, this " verbatim "

translation takes 161 pages!

 

3) Notes on the Verbatim Translation

 

4) Commentary on Verse 1

 

5) Definitions, Concordance(!), and Wade Pinyin Conversion

 

6) List of radicals (with the character/radical, its number,

transliteration, AND a definition this I've never run across before)

 

7) (Appendix) Some of the earliest English translations of Verse One

(9 different ones, from 1868 to 1916, including one by James Legge)

 

The only notable drawback I've noticed so far is the use of the

Wade-Giles transliteration method, e.g. to look up " bone " (gu) in the

concordance, one has to know to look under " ku " . Bummer!

 

As a taste of this " verbatim translation " , here's the verse and

verbatim for a snippet from verse 3 (which could be said to relate to

medicine):

 

Translation:

Thus the sage rules

by stilling minds and opening hearts

by filling bellies and strengthening bones

 

Verbatim: (for the last two lines of this)

i.e. verse-char Ch.char radical meanings

(the meaning portion uses various special delimiters to indicate

different aspects)

I don't show the character here, but note a couple we know well: xu,

shi, fu (in pinyin).

 

03-34 [char xu, as in " vacuity " ] 141 chih empty / empties /make

empty / vacuous / " opening " / " relaxing " (Chung) / " unpreoccupied "

(Parker) / ~pacify /calm / purify / peace / " put at ease "

 

3-35 [char] 12 ch'i their / (the people's) / his

 

3-36 [char] 61 hsin heart /mind / heart [of desire] /mind [of

envy] / ~negative emotions, what upsets them }}}>open-minded / humble

/mind free of too many ideas [and][but]

3-37 [char shi, as in " repletion " ] 40b shih fill / " reinforcing "

3-38 [char] 12 ch'i their / (the people's) / his

3-39 [char fu, as in zangfu] 130 fu bellies / stomachs / middle /

" centers " / " seat of the mind " / (inward reality / resolve / soul) /

~as an adjective, " dear, " " intimate " " what is dear to them (Carus)

Putting that together, literally (my rendition using the terms as we

know them): " vacating the heart and repleting the bowels "

Would that we had comparable resources for the CM classics! Here's

perhaps some PhD-level work for the next generation or two of scholars.

* Tao Te Ching, trans & commentary by Jonathan Star; Penguin, New

York, 2001; ISBN 1-58542-269-X (paperback)

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31 May 2006 00:34

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Re: Example of " Definitive Edition " (translation)

 

 

 

Hello:

 

Why the attachment is not into these mail?

The best regards

Adriana Moiron

 

 

" Dra. Adriana Moiron " <adrianamoiron escribió:

See the attach into this mail. It has 3 files. All of these are in

Spanish. This are books in compress format. I know that, there are many

people in the gruop on spanish languaje.

I hope, that you con enjoy them.

Sincerilly

Adriana Moiron

 

escribió:

 

I recently ran across a relatively new English edition of the " Tao Te

Ching " which uses what as close to ideal methodology as I have seen

for rendering a classical Chinese text.*

 

In addition to a straight-out English translation (1), like any other

one, it includes the following features:

 

2) " Verbatim translation " for each character of the whole book (in

table format) giving the following:

a) verse and line position

b) the Chinese character

c) the number of the character's radical (to help lookup in a Chinese

dictionary)

d) an English transliteration of the character

e) " a list of English equivalents (definitions, interpretive

meanings, and commonly used terms) that correspond to the character "

 

Whereas the straight translation takes 82 pages, this " verbatim "

translation takes 161 pages!

 

3) Notes on the Verbatim Translation

 

4) Commentary on Verse 1

 

5) Definitions, Concordance(!), and Wade Pinyin Conversion

 

6) List of radicals (with the character/radical, its number,

transliteration, AND a definition this I've never run across before)

 

7) (Appendix) Some of the earliest English translations of Verse One

(9 different ones, from 1868 to 1916, including one by James Legge)

 

The only notable drawback I've noticed so far is the use of the

Wade-Giles transliteration method, e.g. to look up " bone " (gu) in the

concordance, one has to know to look under " ku " . Bummer!

 

As a taste of this " verbatim translation " , here's the verse and

verbatim for a snippet from verse 3 (which could be said to relate to

medicine):

 

Translation:

Thus the sage rules

by stilling minds and opening hearts

by filling bellies and strengthening bones

 

Verbatim: (for the last two lines of this)

i.e. verse-char Ch.char radical meanings

(the meaning portion uses various special delimiters to indicate

different aspects)

I don't show the character here, but note a couple we know well: xu,

shi, fu (in pinyin).

 

03-34 [char xu, as in " vacuity " ] 141 chih empty / empties /make

empty / vacuous / " opening " / " relaxing " (Chung) / " unpreoccupied "

(Parker) / ~pacify /calm / purify / peace / " put at ease "

 

3-35 [char] 12 ch'i their / (the people's) / his

 

3-36 [char] 61 hsin heart /mind / heart [of desire] /mind [of

envy] / ~negative emotions, what upsets them }}}>open-minded / humble

/mind free of too many ideas [and][but]

3-37 [char shi, as in " repletion " ] 40b shih fill / " reinforcing "

3-38 [char] 12 ch'i their / (the people's) / his

3-39 [char fu, as in zangfu] 130 fu bellies / stomachs / middle /

" centers " / " seat of the mind " / (inward reality / resolve / soul) /

~as an adjective, " dear, " " intimate " " what is dear to them (Carus)

Putting that together, literally (my rendition using the terms as we

know them): " vacating the heart and repleting the bowels "

Would that we had comparable resources for the CM classics! Here's

perhaps some PhD-level work for the next generation or two of scholars.

* Tao Te Ching, trans & commentary by Jonathan Star; Penguin, New

York, 2001; ISBN 1-58542-269-X (paperback)

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passing on a virus to the entire group.

 

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Kind regards,

 

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Doctor of (Beijing, China)

BSc (Hons) TCM, MATCM

+44 (0) 208 367 8378

enquiries

www.attiliodalberto.com

 

 

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31 May 2006 00:34

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Re: Example of " Definitive Edition " (translation)

 

 

 

Hello:

 

Why the attachment is not into these mail?

The best regards

Adriana Moiron

 

 

" Dra. Adriana Moiron " escribió:

See the attach into this mail. It has 3 files. All of these are in

Spanish. This are books in compress format. I know that, there are many

people in the gruop on spanish languaje.

I hope, that you con enjoy them.

Sincerilly

Adriana Moiron

 

escribió:

 

I recently ran across a relatively new English edition of the " Tao Te

Ching " which uses what as close to ideal methodology as I have seen

for rendering a classical Chinese text.*

 

In addition to a straight-out English translation (1), like any other

one, it includes the following features:

 

2) " Verbatim translation " for each character of the whole book (in

table format) giving the following:

a) verse and line position

b) the Chinese character

c) the number of the character's radical (to help lookup in a Chinese

dictionary)

d) an English transliteration of the character

e) " a list of English equivalents (definitions, interpretive

meanings, and commonly used terms) that correspond to the character "

 

Whereas the straight translation takes 82 pages, this " verbatim "

translation takes 161 pages!

 

3) Notes on the Verbatim Translation

 

4) Commentary on Verse 1

 

5) Definitions, Concordance(!), and Wade Pinyin Conversion

 

6) List of radicals (with the character/radical, its number,

transliteration, AND a definition this I've never run across before)

 

7) (Appendix) Some of the earliest English translations of Verse One

(9 different ones, from 1868 to 1916, including one by James Legge)

 

The only notable drawback I've noticed so far is the use of the

Wade-Giles transliteration method, e.g. to look up " bone " (gu) in the

concordance, one has to know to look under " ku " . Bummer!

 

As a taste of this " verbatim translation " , here's the verse and

verbatim for a snippet from verse 3 (which could be said to relate to

medicine):

 

Translation:

Thus the sage rules

by stilling minds and opening hearts

by filling bellies and strengthening bones

 

Verbatim: (for the last two lines of this)

i.e. verse-char Ch.char radical meanings

(the meaning portion uses various special delimiters to indicate

different aspects)

I don't show the character here, but note a couple we know well: xu,

shi, fu (in pinyin).

 

03-34 [char xu, as in " vacuity " ] 141 chih empty / empties /make

empty / vacuous / " opening " / " relaxing " (Chung) / " unpreoccupied "

(Parker) / ~pacify /calm / purify / peace / " put at ease "

 

3-35 [char] 12 ch'i their / (the people's) / his

 

3-36 [char] 61 hsin heart /mind / heart [of desire] /mind [of

envy] / ~negative emotions, what upsets them }}}>open-minded / humble

/mind free of too many ideas [and][but]

3-37 [char shi, as in " repletion " ] 40b shih fill / " reinforcing "

3-38 [char] 12 ch'i their / (the people's) / his

3-39 [char fu, as in zangfu] 130 fu bellies / stomachs / middle /

" centers " / " seat of the mind " / (inward reality / resolve / soul) /

~as an adjective, " dear, " " intimate " " what is dear to them (Carus)

Putting that together, literally (my rendition using the terms as we

know them): " vacating the heart and repleting the bowels "

Would that we had comparable resources for the CM classics! Here's

perhaps some PhD-level work for the next generation or two of scholars.

* Tao Te Ching, trans & commentary by Jonathan Star; Penguin, New

York, 2001; ISBN 1-58542-269-X (paperback)