Believe It or Not, Some People Don't Want Health Insurance

[Guest guest]

http://healthtruthrevealed.com/printer-friendly.php?id=1105031001 & & page=article

 

Believe It or Not, Some People Don't Want Health Insurance

 

By: Marcel Girodian

 

Amidst all of the media clatter about mandatory universal health

insurance, one point of view has been conspicuously absent.

 

That is the opinion held by a lot of well-informed people who reject

most of Western pharmaceutically-based medicine.

 

These people have maintained their own health naturally for many

decades, and don't believe that the pharmaceutical approach is a healthy

one. Indeed, studies have found that properly-used pharmaceutical

medicines, unnecessary surgeries, and other medical procedures cause

more than 700,000 deaths every year, in the United States alone. And

that's not even counting all of the " cancer deaths " that were really

caused by chemotherapy and radiation, the " AIDS deaths " that were really

caused by the extremely toxic AIDS drugs, and many more similar

situations.

 

These people shake their heads in disbelief at such pharmaceutical snake

oil as " hormone replacement therapy, " vaccinations that do more harm

than good, and the ever-increasing marketing of new diseases and

" syndromes, " such as labeling personality traits like shyness as

diseases that can be treated with drugs. They are aware of all of the

health catastrophes caused by Western pharmaceutical medicine, such as

the massive deaths and disabilities caused by vaccination in the 19th

Century, and the Western medical establishment's stubborn refusal, for

decades, to believe clear evidence that diseases like beriberi, scurvy,

and pellagra were not caused by germs but by nutritional deficiencies.

 

These and many more examples of Western medicine's gross ineptitude have

largely been edited out of textbooks and, with the help of mass media

censorship and state-of-the-art public relations, erased from general

public awareness.

Instead, these highly-informed people believe in self-care, through

dietary and lifestyle choices, nutritional supplements, and natural

medicines used as needed. Natural medicines & ndash; mostly herbal-based

but some based upon natural, not synthetic, chemicals & ndash; have very

few of the toxic side effects of conventional synthetic, chemical-based

pharmaceuticals, and many are supported by thousands of years of

experience and observation that certain plant extracts can ameliorate

disease.

 

Some people in the U.S. make use of Traditional , a

proven healing system that uses natural substances, which is far older

than Western medicine. Or the similar Ayurvedic medicine, developed over

eons in India. Or homeopathy, naturopathy, or other (often overlapping)

schools of medicine.

 

The mandatory health insurance talked about by all the drug-industry

funded politicians would not cover herbal, Chinese, Ayurvedic, or other

schools of medicine that treat the body gently, understand the mind-body

connection to disease and health, and stimulate the body's innate

healing capabilities. It would only cover Big Pharma's patented,

petrochemical-based, seek-and-destroy, military-style toxic medicine,

whose destructive side effects beget new profit opportunities as they

sell you more drugs and procedures, even liver transplants to treat the

often-horrific drug side effects. Such mandatory health insurance forces

people to buy something they neither want nor believe in.

 

To be fair, even people who reject the synthetic chemical potions of Big

Pharma recognize that conventional medicine is not all bad. It is very

good at emergency treatment, for example. But some people have done the

math and know that emergency treatment is not very expensive. If one has

a heart attack or a car accident, it is unlikely to break the bank to

get emergency treatment.

Many people have calculated that they have the resources to pay for such

emergency treatment if needed, have perhaps even made choices to live

their lives carefully to prevent accidents, to stay fit and eat a

healthy diet to deter heart attacks, to eat organic food to lessen the

chance of cancer, and have thus made a simple financial decision that

the high monthly payments of health insurance end up costing them much

more than they might have to pay from their own resources for an

emergency that might never happen. Hence, standard health insurance is,

for them, a very bad investment that would be a continual drain on their

finances, which would mean they would have less money left to pay for

the herbal medicines and organic diets that they prefer, items mandatory

health insurance does not cover.

 

It is things like cancer chemotherapy, coronary bypasses, and the like

that are super-expensive, and these are procedures that these educated

consumers reject, preferring inexpensive nutritional, alternative, and

lifestyle therapies, and that simple idea that pharmaceutical

corporations dread & ndash; prevention.

 

Yes, natural medicines might not work, we might still die; but the same

is true of the pharmaceutical/surgical approaches. Every human being has

the right to make those decisions for him- or herself. We don't need Big

Brother making them for us.

 

Some people who get cancer might simply choose to die with grace and

dignity, without a lot of chemicals pumped into them. They suspect that

chemotherapy is probably only going to make them die faster, and cause

side effects that will make their lives miserable, and maybe they would

rather give their remaining assets to their heirs instead of to the

medical industry. That is their right.

 

Moreover, some people are rich, and can afford to pay even for harmful

overpriced pharmaceutical treatment, from their own resources, without

any problem at all. Why should Bill Gates and the Rockefellers have to

pay for health insurance (aside from the fact that they are heavily

invested in the drug industry and hence stand to profit from mandatory

health insurance far more than they would lose by having to purchase it

for themselves)? Why does our " democratic " government insist on forcing

people to buy something they plainly do not need?

 

There is much noise from the " research community " in recent years trying

to convince people that vitamins and nutritional supplements are

dangerous. Most of the " scientists " conducting these studies are funded

either by Big Pharma itself, or by corrupt government institutions like

the National Institutes of Health that have an incestuous relationship

with Big Pharma. The way medical research operates these days,

scientists who do not come to the conclusions that the government and

Big Pharma desire are at great risk of never getting a research grant

(or promotion) again. Medical science has become a dictatorship that

punishes dissent from profitable paradigms and rewards those who " get

with the program. " Because of this reality, scientists have devised a

plethora of ways to design their studies so that they will arrive at

pre-ordained conclusions. Hence, studies warning against vitamins and

other natural substances can hardly be said to be objective, nor can

they negate all of the earlier research & ndash; from a less-corrupt

scientific era & ndash; that showed how beneficial nutritional

supplements can be. Flying in the face of all the organized

scaremongering about natural remedies is also the simple fact that very

few people have ever died from taking vitamins and nutritional

supplements; by contrast, modern medicine keeps cemetery owners around

the World deliriously rich and happy (perhaps pharma executives might

like to invest some of their gains in this lucrative, related field?)

 

" Coincidentally, " all of this new research comes at a time when Big

Pharma and its government flunkies are spearheading efforts, through the

Food and Agriculture Organization and World Health Organization's joint

Codex subsidiary, to severely lower the dosages of nutritional

supplements that can be sold to the public, and to outright ban many of

them (this has been nicely hushed up by the corporate media so most

people don't know about it). Big Pharma lusts after a mandatory health

insurance " on their terms " that will boost their already-obscene profits

and force people to abandon Natural Medicine and proven home remedies.

 

Codex's planned standards and " mandatory health insurance " are just

naked ploys to snuff out Big Pharma's competition, being dressed up as

" protecting the public. " Big Pharma wants a monopoly on health care,

with no alternatives available. And since Big Pharma funds everybody

from politicians, doctors, scientific researchers, government

regulators, to the WHO, the media, the universities, even the

" charities " that, not surprisingly, promote their drugs, it is damned

difficult for the other side to get their voices heard.

 

Seen in this light, the recent Massachusetts legislation that forces

every resident to buy health insurance or pay a penalty (hailed as a

model for other States to follow by the media), is an outrageous

intrusion into people's freedom of choice. Presidential candidates

Hillary Clinton and John Edwards also have plans to make

pharmaceutical-based health insurance mandatory for everyone. Both of

them, in fact, have suggested that, if a person doesn't provide proof of

health insurance, they would garnish people's salaries to force them to

have it.

 

Whose country is this anyway? How did we get to the point that the

government is planning to tell us what we have to buy? A case can be

made for mandatory car liability insurance, as a person needs to have

the funds to compensate someone he might injure with his car, but now

the government is going to tell us that we have to pay for medical drugs

and services for our own bodies, even if we don't want them. Bodies that

are ours, not the government's.

 

It is easy to predict what the next step in their program will be: Soon,

they will start telling us that we have to swallow medicine even if we

don't want to. They will send their goons to our homes to force it down

our throats. The seeds for this have already been planted, with the

drug-industry funded World Health Organization's " Directly Observed

Therapy " program (DOT). With DOT, a medical professional is assigned to

watch you take your pills, confirm that you have swallowed them, and

" document " that you have ingested the pills. Originally applied to TB

patients only, DOT is now being expanded to AIDS patients. Since DOT

results in more drugs being sold, and whatever is good for drug-industry

profits historically becomes " confirmed " by " scientific research, " it

seems likely that they will try to further expand DOT in any direction

they can & ndash; maybe to people who " test positive " on a future

mandatory " H5N1 " test, even if they're perfectly healthy with no signs

of flu.

 

This kind of thing is already happening to our children even without

DOT. Parents are told that they have to get their kids vaccinated, and

their kids can be taken from them by " Child Protective Services " if

parents make an educated decision not to give their kids destructive

chemotherapy, preferring alternative treatments that exist, and that

have been proven to defeat cancer, but which are suppressed and

criminalized in the U.S. because they are a threat to the medical

industry's monopoly. Children are having surgical tubes implanted into

their stomachs by medical research " charities, " against the kids' and

parents' wishes, so that " scientists " can pump them full of toxic AIDS

chemotherapy drugs that the kids, who know that the drugs make them feel

awful, refuse to swallow, or vomit up when forced to swallow them.

 

Hillary and John, really now, do you think the American people want to

elect someone who will dictate to us and micromanage our lives for us?

Your proposals to force us to buy health insurance and garnish our

salaries if we refuse are not just outrageous, they are un-American in

the most fundamental sense. Both of you being wealthy and connected to

exclusive elitist organizations that strive to control and manipulate

the masses, you have zero understanding of how precious working people's

modest salaries are to them, nor of how the common people cherish their

right to remain unmolested by their governments and to make their own

decisions.

 

A simple request: Make this product available to all if you wish, but

don't force us to buy it. Force is the way of tyranny, not the action of

a country that pontificates about " the free market " and individual

liberty. Pharma-based health care is just another product, brilliantly

marketed as a vital public service, due to the immense wealth and power

of the industry. Next will you force us to buy a mandatory TV set, so we

will have no choice but to be brainwashed by all the idiotic

entertainment and propaganda on the airwaves? How about mandatory life

insurance? Why not outlaw organic food and make it mandatory that we eat

pesticide-contaminated food to benefit the chemical industry? I'll bet

you would find scientists who would back the proposal with erudite

scholarly papers full of big words. Surely a case can be made to mandate

that we drink a minimum of two bottles per day of Coca Cola, too?

 

Honorable doctors and senators, we are skeptical of your good

intentions. We know that many " medical triumphs " are just mythmaking. We

know that polio was never eliminated by the polio vaccine, it was just

redefined as other diseases by public-health authorities to create the

impression that the vaccine was effective. (In fact, the vaccine caused

polio cases to explode in number, but they were quickly " re-classified "

as meningitis,

Guillian-Barré syndrome, and other diseases by our protectors in the

Public Health business.) We know that there are thousands of medical

professionals and scientists, including a Nobel Laureate and at least

two members of the National Academy of Sciences, who reject the

never-proven theory that a virus is the cause of AIDS and who think that

the poisonous medicines, not the virus, are what kill people with HIV.

 

We know that sexual transmission of the human papilloma virus has never

been proven to cause cervical cancer (although anti-sex religious

zealots and newspaper headline writers & ndash; and of course vaccine

manufacturers & ndash; want fervently to believe that it does). We

suspect that Bird Flu is a WHO-invented " global crisis " designed to

justify giving billions of dollars of taxpayers' money to WHO's

sweetheart funders in Big Pharma for " stockpiles " of useless drugs, to

spur the legislating of mandatory treatments and forced vaccinations

that benefit Big Pharma, and to advance the interests of Big

Agribusiness which wants to outlaw the backyard chicken farming that

families do everywhere in the Third World to maintain their economic

independence from corporations. We are well-informed, thinking people

who make up our own minds and seek out information that the

less-intellectually curious never get to see, and are aware that we are

living in a very corrupt world where our leaders do not have our

interests at heart, despite their smarmy protestations to the contrary.

 

So, compromised politicians, medical/pharmaceutical-cartel lobbyists,

drug industry-funded NGOs, take your mandatory health insurance and add

coverage for natural therapies, include an opt-out clause for people who

don't want it regardless, or kindly file it where the Sun doesn't shine

(the same Sun that, as some of us are aware, can fight cancer and other

diseases and strengthen bones without drugs ... quite opposite to being

the deadly light that the medical establishment urges everyone to avoid.

 

But, of course, they cannot patent the Sun and charge us to use it. It,

too, is competition for them, so their position against it is quite

understandable).

-

Marcel Girodian is a writer who specializes in alternative health

issues. He has written much about the many absurdities of " AIDS

science " , and invites people to learn more about the subject at these

pages:

http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/rethinkers.htm and

http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/aidsquotes.htm.

His previous essay for the NHF, Politically Motivated Disease Causation,

can be read at www.thenhf.com/articles_117.htm.

Marcel always welcomes comments on his work; you can contact him at

marcel7

[Guest guest]

If I were forced to pay for health insurance, that means I would

have less money every month for good food, supplements, or rent. So

if it became mandatory, I would do my best to stay invisible and avoid

paying.

 

Alobar

 

On 1/13/08, nevercomestheday <nevercomestheday wrote:

>

http://healthtruthrevealed.com/printer-friendly.php?id=1105031001 & & page=article

>

> Believe It or Not, Some People Don't Want Health Insurance

>

> By: Marcel Girodian

>

> Amidst all of the media clatter about mandatory universal health

> insurance, one point of view has been conspicuously absent.

>

> That is the opinion held by a lot of well-informed people who reject

> most of Western pharmaceutically-based medicine.

[Guest guest]

It seems to me that people should have a choice. However, it would

be much better if it included natural remedies and supplements.

 

GB

 

,

nevercomestheday wrote:

>

> http://healthtruthrevealed.com/printer-

friendly.php?id=1105031001 & & page=article

>

> Believe It or Not, Some People Don't Want Health Insurance

>

> By: Marcel Girodian

>

> Amidst all of the media clatter about mandatory universal health

> insurance, one point of view has been conspicuously absent.

>

> That is the opinion held by a lot of well-informed people who reject

> most of Western pharmaceutically-based medicine.

>

> These people have maintained their own health naturally for many

> decades, and don't believe that the pharmaceutical approach is a

healthy

[Guest guest]

,

nevercomestheday wrote:

 

count me in for a big NO, neither do I want forced health insurance

I have not been sick in over 30 years, why ? because I do something

that most Americans do not do, I take responsibility for my own

health, which is something most Americans want do, heck, I have not

even had a cold or flu in over 30 years

You turn on the TV and what do you see drug companies advertising

their drugs for kinds of health problems.

Not...Me.....no drugs for me

Leo

 

 

 

 

>

> http://healthtruthrevealed.com/printer-friendly.php?

id=1105031001 & & page=article

>

> Believe It or Not, Some People Don't Want Health Insurance

>

> By: Marcel Girodian

>

> Amidst all of the media clatter about mandatory universal health

> insurance, one point of view has been conspicuously absent.

>

> That is the opinion held by a lot of well-informed people who reject

> most of Western pharmaceutically-based medicine.

>

> These people have maintained their own health naturally for many

> decades, and don't believe that the pharmaceutical approach is a

healthy

> one. Indeed, studies have found that properly-used pharmaceutical

> medicines, unnecessary surgeries, and other medical procedures cause

> more than 700,000 deaths every year, in the United States alone. And

> that's not even counting all of the " cancer deaths " that were really

> caused by chemotherapy and radiation, the " AIDS deaths " that were

really

> caused by the extremely toxic AIDS drugs, and many more similar

> situations.

>

> These people shake their heads in disbelief at such pharmaceutical

snake

> oil as " hormone replacement therapy, " vaccinations that do more harm

> than good, and the ever-increasing marketing of new diseases and

> " syndromes, " such as labeling personality traits like shyness as

> diseases that can be treated with drugs. They are aware of all of

the

> health catastrophes caused by Western pharmaceutical medicine, such

as

> the massive deaths and disabilities caused by vaccination in the

19th

> Century, and the Western medical establishment's stubborn refusal,

for

> decades, to believe clear evidence that diseases like beriberi,

scurvy,

> and pellagra were not caused by germs but by nutritional

deficiencies.

>

> These and many more examples of Western medicine's gross ineptitude

have

> largely been edited out of textbooks and, with the help of mass

media

> censorship and state-of-the-art public relations, erased from

general

> public awareness.

> Instead, these highly-informed people believe in self-care, through

> dietary and lifestyle choices, nutritional supplements, and natural

> medicines used as needed. Natural medicines & ndash; mostly herbal-

based

> but some based upon natural, not synthetic, chemicals & ndash; have

very

> few of the toxic side effects of conventional synthetic, chemical-

based

> pharmaceuticals, and many are supported by thousands of years of

> experience and observation that certain plant extracts can

ameliorate

> disease.

>

> Some people in the U.S. make use of Traditional , a

> proven healing system that uses natural substances, which is far

older

> than Western medicine. Or the similar Ayurvedic medicine, developed

over

> eons in India. Or homeopathy, naturopathy, or other (often

overlapping)

> schools of medicine.

>

> The mandatory health insurance talked about by all the drug-industry

> funded politicians would not cover herbal, Chinese, Ayurvedic, or

other

> schools of medicine that treat the body gently, understand the mind-

body

> connection to disease and health, and stimulate the body's innate

> healing capabilities. It would only cover Big Pharma's patented,

> petrochemical-based, seek-and-destroy, military-style toxic

medicine,

> whose destructive side effects beget new profit opportunities as

they

> sell you more drugs and procedures, even liver transplants to treat

the

> often-horrific drug side effects. Such mandatory health insurance

forces

> people to buy something they neither want nor believe in.

>

> To be fair, even people who reject the synthetic chemical potions

of Big

> Pharma recognize that conventional medicine is not all bad. It is

very

> good at emergency treatment, for example. But some people have done

the

> math and know that emergency treatment is not very expensive. If

one has

> a heart attack or a car accident, it is unlikely to break the bank

to

> get emergency treatment.

> Many people have calculated that they have the resources to pay for

such

> emergency treatment if needed, have perhaps even made choices to

live

> their lives carefully to prevent accidents, to stay fit and eat a

> healthy diet to deter heart attacks, to eat organic food to lessen

the

> chance of cancer, and have thus made a simple financial decision

that

> the high monthly payments of health insurance end up costing them

much

> more than they might have to pay from their own resources for an

> emergency that might never happen. Hence, standard health insurance

is,

> for them, a very bad investment that would be a continual drain on

their

> finances, which would mean they would have less money left to pay

for

> the herbal medicines and organic diets that they prefer, items

mandatory

> health insurance does not cover.

>

> It is things like cancer chemotherapy, coronary bypasses, and the

like

> that are super-expensive, and these are procedures that these

educated

> consumers reject, preferring inexpensive nutritional, alternative,

and

> lifestyle therapies, and that simple idea that pharmaceutical

> corporations dread & ndash; prevention.

>

> Yes, natural medicines might not work, we might still die; but the

same

> is true of the pharmaceutical/surgical approaches. Every human

being has

> the right to make those decisions for him- or herself. We don't

need Big

> Brother making them for us.

>

> Some people who get cancer might simply choose to die with grace and

> dignity, without a lot of chemicals pumped into them. They suspect

that

> chemotherapy is probably only going to make them die faster, and

cause

> side effects that will make their lives miserable, and maybe they

would

> rather give their remaining assets to their heirs instead of to the

> medical industry. That is their right.

>

> Moreover, some people are rich, and can afford to pay even for

harmful

> overpriced pharmaceutical treatment, from their own resources,

without

> any problem at all. Why should Bill Gates and the Rockefellers have

to

> pay for health insurance (aside from the fact that they are heavily

> invested in the drug industry and hence stand to profit from

mandatory

> health insurance far more than they would lose by having to

purchase it

> for themselves)? Why does our " democratic " government insist on

forcing

> people to buy something they plainly do not need?

>

> There is much noise from the " research community " in recent years

trying

> to convince people that vitamins and nutritional supplements are

> dangerous. Most of the " scientists " conducting these studies are

funded

> either by Big Pharma itself, or by corrupt government institutions

like

> the National Institutes of Health that have an incestuous

relationship

> with Big Pharma. The way medical research operates these days,

> scientists who do not come to the conclusions that the government

and

> Big Pharma desire are at great risk of never getting a research

grant

> (or promotion) again. Medical science has become a dictatorship that

> punishes dissent from profitable paradigms and rewards those

who " get

> with the program. " Because of this reality, scientists have devised

a

> plethora of ways to design their studies so that they will arrive at

> pre-ordained conclusions. Hence, studies warning against vitamins

and

> other natural substances can hardly be said to be objective, nor can

> they negate all of the earlier research & ndash; from a less-corrupt

> scientific era & ndash; that showed how beneficial nutritional

> supplements can be. Flying in the face of all the organized

> scaremongering about natural remedies is also the simple fact that

very

> few people have ever died from taking vitamins and nutritional

> supplements; by contrast, modern medicine keeps cemetery owners

around

> the World deliriously rich and happy (perhaps pharma executives

might

> like to invest some of their gains in this lucrative, related

field?)

>

> " Coincidentally, " all of this new research comes at a time when Big

> Pharma and its government flunkies are spearheading efforts,

through the

> Food and Agriculture Organization and World Health Organization's

joint

> Codex subsidiary, to severely lower the dosages of nutritional

> supplements that can be sold to the public, and to outright ban

many of

> them (this has been nicely hushed up by the corporate media so most

> people don't know about it). Big Pharma lusts after a mandatory

health

> insurance " on their terms " that will boost their already-obscene

profits

> and force people to abandon Natural Medicine and proven home

remedies.

>

> Codex's planned standards and " mandatory health insurance " are just

> naked ploys to snuff out Big Pharma's competition, being dressed up

as

> " protecting the public. " Big Pharma wants a monopoly on health care,

> with no alternatives available. And since Big Pharma funds everybody

> from politicians, doctors, scientific researchers, government

> regulators, to the WHO, the media, the universities, even the

> " charities " that, not surprisingly, promote their drugs, it is

damned

> difficult for the other side to get their voices heard.

>

> Seen in this light, the recent Massachusetts legislation that forces

> every resident to buy health insurance or pay a penalty (hailed as a

> model for other States to follow by the media), is an outrageous

> intrusion into people's freedom of choice. Presidential candidates

> Hillary Clinton and John Edwards also have plans to make

> pharmaceutical-based health insurance mandatory for everyone. Both

of

> them, in fact, have suggested that, if a person doesn't provide

proof of

> health insurance, they would garnish people's salaries to force

them to

> have it.

>

> Whose country is this anyway? How did we get to the point that the

> government is planning to tell us what we have to buy? A case can be

> made for mandatory car liability insurance, as a person needs to

have

> the funds to compensate someone he might injure with his car, but

now

> the government is going to tell us that we have to pay for medical

drugs

> and services for our own bodies, even if we don't want them. Bodies

that

> are ours, not the government's.

>

> It is easy to predict what the next step in their program will be:

Soon,

> they will start telling us that we have to swallow medicine even if

we

> don't want to. They will send their goons to our homes to force it

down

> our throats. The seeds for this have already been planted, with the

> drug-industry funded World Health Organization's " Directly Observed

> Therapy " program (DOT). With DOT, a medical professional is

assigned to

> watch you take your pills, confirm that you have swallowed them, and

> " document " that you have ingested the pills. Originally applied to

TB

> patients only, DOT is now being expanded to AIDS patients. Since DOT

> results in more drugs being sold, and whatever is good for drug-

industry

> profits historically becomes " confirmed " by " scientific research, "

it

> seems likely that they will try to further expand DOT in any

direction

> they can & ndash; maybe to people who " test positive " on a future

> mandatory " H5N1 " test, even if they're perfectly healthy with no

signs

> of flu.

>

> This kind of thing is already happening to our children even without

> DOT. Parents are told that they have to get their kids vaccinated,

and

> their kids can be taken from them by " Child Protective Services " if

> parents make an educated decision not to give their kids destructive

> chemotherapy, preferring alternative treatments that exist, and that

> have been proven to defeat cancer, but which are suppressed and

> criminalized in the U.S. because they are a threat to the medical

> industry's monopoly. Children are having surgical tubes implanted

into

> their stomachs by medical research " charities, " against the kids'

and

> parents' wishes, so that " scientists " can pump them full of toxic

AIDS

> chemotherapy drugs that the kids, who know that the drugs make them

feel

> awful, refuse to swallow, or vomit up when forced to swallow them.

>

> Hillary and John, really now, do you think the American people want

to

> elect someone who will dictate to us and micromanage our lives for

us?

> Your proposals to force us to buy health insurance and garnish our

> salaries if we refuse are not just outrageous, they are un-American

in

> the most fundamental sense. Both of you being wealthy and connected

to

> exclusive elitist organizations that strive to control and

manipulate

> the masses, you have zero understanding of how precious working

people's

> modest salaries are to them, nor of how the common people cherish

their

> right to remain unmolested by their governments and to make their

own

> decisions.

>

> A simple request: Make this product available to all if you wish,

but

> don't force us to buy it. Force is the way of tyranny, not the

action of

> a country that pontificates about " the free market " and individual

> liberty. Pharma-based health care is just another product,

brilliantly

> marketed as a vital public service, due to the immense wealth and

power

> of the industry. Next will you force us to buy a mandatory TV set,

so we

> will have no choice but to be brainwashed by all the idiotic

> entertainment and propaganda on the airwaves? How about mandatory

life

> insurance? Why not outlaw organic food and make it mandatory that

we eat

> pesticide-contaminated food to benefit the chemical industry? I'll

bet

> you would find scientists who would back the proposal with erudite

> scholarly papers full of big words. Surely a case can be made to

mandate

> that we drink a minimum of two bottles per day of Coca Cola, too?

>

> Honorable doctors and senators, we are skeptical of your good

> intentions. We know that many " medical triumphs " are just

mythmaking. We

> know that polio was never eliminated by the polio vaccine, it was

just

> redefined as other diseases by public-health authorities to create

the

> impression that the vaccine was effective. (In fact, the vaccine

caused

> polio cases to explode in number, but they were quickly " re-

classified "

> as meningitis,

> Guillian-Barré syndrome, and other diseases by our protectors in the

> Public Health business.) We know that there are thousands of medical

> professionals and scientists, including a Nobel Laureate and at

least

> two members of the National Academy of Sciences, who reject the

> never-proven theory that a virus is the cause of AIDS and who think

that

> the poisonous medicines, not the virus, are what kill people with

HIV.

>

> We know that sexual transmission of the human papilloma virus has

never

> been proven to cause cervical cancer (although anti-sex religious

> zealots and newspaper headline writers & ndash; and of course vaccine

> manufacturers & ndash; want fervently to believe that it does). We

> suspect that Bird Flu is a WHO-invented " global crisis " designed to

> justify giving billions of dollars of taxpayers' money to WHO's

> sweetheart funders in Big Pharma for " stockpiles " of useless drugs,

to

> spur the legislating of mandatory treatments and forced vaccinations

> that benefit Big Pharma, and to advance the interests of Big

> Agribusiness which wants to outlaw the backyard chicken farming that

> families do everywhere in the Third World to maintain their economic

> independence from corporations. We are well-informed, thinking

people

> who make up our own minds and seek out information that the

> less-intellectually curious never get to see, and are aware that we

are

> living in a very corrupt world where our leaders do not have our

> interests at heart, despite their smarmy protestations to the

contrary.

>

> So, compromised politicians, medical/pharmaceutical-cartel

lobbyists,

> drug industry-funded NGOs, take your mandatory health insurance and

add

> coverage for natural therapies, include an opt-out clause for

people who

> don't want it regardless, or kindly file it where the Sun doesn't

shine

> (the same Sun that, as some of us are aware, can fight cancer and

other

> diseases and strengthen bones without drugs ... quite opposite to

being

> the deadly light that the medical establishment urges everyone to

avoid.

>

> But, of course, they cannot patent the Sun and charge us to use it.

It,

> too, is competition for them, so their position against it is quite

> understandable).

> -

> Marcel Girodian is a writer who specializes in alternative health

> issues. He has written much about the many absurdities of " AIDS

> science " , and invites people to learn more about the subject at

these

> pages:

> http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/rethinkers.htm and

> http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/aidsquotes.htm.

> His previous essay for the NHF, Politically Motivated Disease

Causation,

> can be read at www.thenhf.com/articles_117.htm.

> Marcel always welcomes comments on his work; you can contact him at

> marcel7

>

[Guest guest]

I'm one of those few renegades who is against mandatory universal health

insurance. I've always been a proponent of " pay out of pocket, as you go "

health care. I have also worked (on the administrative end) in the health care

industry, and I know what a scam/rip-off health insurance often can be.

 

For one thing, it's all about placing an additional layer of administrative

bureaucracy between the health care providers and the recipients. IOW, no

matter how much of our fees the insurance companies pay out to the providers for

our health care, they're always going to pay their own salaries and bonuses and

stock dividends first. They also indirectly make money by delaying timely

payments to providers...who need that money in order to stay in business, just

as we need to collect our paychecks on a timely basis in order to pay for food,

shelter, etc.

 

The end result of the insurance company's business practices are that

providers must raise their rates to the uninsured patients to make up for 1-what

they insurance companies either won't pay or pay out late and 2-written-off

medical bills for the health care that they've provided to indigents. If you

see a provider that " accepts assignment " from insurers, (meaning virtually every

hospital in the country) and you're not insured, yourself, then they're likely

to charge you two, three, or more times the going insurance reimbursement rate.

If they didn't do this, then " pay out of pocket, as you go " would be a very

viable solution for most of us for our everyday, routine health care. I don't

know about you, but this feels like extortion to me.

 

Fortunately, I've found that those affordable drop-in clinics offer excellent

everyday health care. And the physicians at those clinics will usually spend a

LOT more time with you than your typical, overworked, insurance-fees-dependent

doctor will. Obviously, drop-in clinics can't help you much if you're having a

heart attack or are dying of cancer...but then, maybe the hospitals are not

always as helpful for those conditions as they claim to be, either...

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

You are, most likely, speaking to the choir.

 

Why would anyone who takes responsibility for their own health want to

pay the government money to have them dole out that same money to

government selected doctors and hospitals using their chosen allotropic

cures with no concerns about wellness? I know that it does not hold any

attraction for me at all and I doubt that it does for very many in this

forum.

 

It appears to me that our only nationally known politician out there

that agrees with us is Ron Paul. As you can see, about 6 to 10% of

the population is interested in his pitch that we must learn to endorse

personal responsibility or go bust. Those same people obviously

comprise many of those who occupy this forum. It is now quite clear

that the general population will seek handouts and guidance from big

brother and will vote that way until the system breaks. However, we

cannot let this gentle giant walk off unnoticed after one the mainstream

idiots currently running is elected. He can remain a powerful voice

long after the new president is chosen if we continue to back him and

his message.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The system has successfully convinced the majority of the population

that they " NEED " health insurance... just another way for people to be

dependent on outside sources to " fix " them. And now, people want to

become *MORE* dependent on the government!! 50 some odd million

Americans are without health insurance.... that's the mantra they

chant. Well, you're right, some of us don't WANT it. I have never

had health insurance, and (knock on wood, of course), have never

needed it. I choose to take responsibility for my own health.

Universal health care is a sham.

[Guest guest]

Rose. You are absolutely correct. However, if you are run over by a truck the

ambulance will take you to an emergency ward. The Dr's will " fix " your broken

bones. Who will pay your hospital bill? Probably not you unless you are a

gizzillionare because the bills are so high (yes, partially because of the

corrupt system). Those of us who DO pay insurance premiums will bear the burden

of paying your bill. It is all built into those astronomical bills.The Dr. will

be paid. The nurses will be paid. The hospital pharmacy will be paid. Hospitals

(most of them anyway) do not pay property taxes. They make deals with the

cities/towns to provide free care to those who can't pay. So also the property

owners are in a way subsidizing the care of " those who don't want insurance " . As

hospitals are usually exempt, municipalities often make " in lieu of tax

agreements " with them. The first paper on the table are all the charitable

things they do for the community.

 

I have a friend who made it to age 55 without insurance. One day he had a

heart attack. The Dr. gave him a couple weeks to live. He had blocks everywhere,

needed a triple bypass. He quickly married his nurse girlfriend, got on her

health insurance, had the operation and is alive and happy today. Were it not so

serious it would have been funny. He is the most anti government person I have

ever known, belongs to a militia, etc.

 

Keep an open mind. Check out Spain and other countries where it works.

 

God bless.

Zolette

http://komondor1.tripod.com

 

 

 

 

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