Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Hi Y'all! I'd like to pick your (collective) brains a bit... I have a dd who is turning to me for help - of any kind. She knows I'm getting into natural remedies, herbal healing, proper foods, alternative health care, etc. She's frustrated with medical docs but not trusting much else yet either. For the last two months she's had numerous bouts of nausea daily, vomiting at times but not every day and not consistent with anything we can think of. She gets migraines a lot - always has since she was about 8 or 9 years old. She smokes - and works part time in a bar so she's around a smoky environment too. She also drinks - at times too much (not just my observation, she knows this too). She's had recurrent female problems too - periods really heavy unless she's on BC of some kind, but she doesn't tolerate depo anymore, nor seasonale, and is not on some high dose typical BC pills (21 days on, 7 days off). Two months back she had " typical (for her) period bleeding " during the week off, then about a week into the next pac she started another week of bleeding the same - since then, nothing, not even during her week off. About a month ago her left side began hurting - this has come and gone for about 5 yrs now - sometimes with a diagnosis of cervical dysplasia - paps haven't been " clean " for these 5 yrs either. The pain has intensified in the last two weeks. She noticed symptoms for bladder infection about that time and upped quantity of water daily as well as began drinking cranberry juice several times daily. She went to doc Friday and was found to have a very severe bladder infection and they put her on " Cipro " for 2 weeks, she's also taking another pill (turns urine dark reddish) for the pain with urinating. Today the pain still isn't any better so she asked me to drive into the urgent care center. Two hours there and all they can say is her urine tests show fewer white cells than Friday, and blood work (initially) looks good, and she now has a fever (there was none on Friday) of about 100(f). They (2 docs saw her) do not have any answers why the pain is so persistent. At one point one doc thought he felt a lump in her left side (not sure where) and she's said sometimes it feels like there's a ball in her belly/side (near the center of the pain). She has regular meds of migraines - plus preventive meds - and now the two above for the bladder stuff. Friday nite I sent her home with about 12 ounces of colliodal silver - she has maybe 1 or 2 left, so today I gave another 8 or so ounces. She's drinking an ounce or so at a time whenever she's home (she's working 3 jobs and constantly in and out). Any ideas? I just don't know enough about herbs yet to think what might be worth trying. Oh, one more thing, that may mean something here - I'm a DES daughter (DES was given to my mom while pg with me) with multiple reproductive issues b/c of this - making her 2nd generation or DES granddaughter - effects are fully known (it's only been the last 10 yrs maybe that they've figured out it wasn't just the babies who's moms were treated but that it's also affecting subsequent generations too). She's seen gynos repeatedly with no real results - only more problems and/or questions to answer. Thanks in advance for all your help! Andee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Hi Andee, For the bladder infection, she needs to drink nothing but water and cranberry juice. Make sure the juice is just juice (from health food store) not the sugared stuff from the grocery store. She should drink a minimum of 1/2 her body weight in ounces. (128 lb. person = 64 oz) I had troubles with my period many years ago - similar to what you describe. It was the onset of PCOS (Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.) I didn't go to the doctor because I was a kid and embarrassed, just hid the pain, so don't know what to say about that. Years later I spoke to an OBGYN about it and he just wanted to give me BC pills. Created severe moodiness, so I stopped taking them quickly. I became vegetarian (lots of hormones in meat and cow milk messes with our bodies when we eat it) and shortly after that my periods became normal flow and mostly painless. I still miss one every now and then when I don't exercise regularly. I'm sure she knows she needs to quit smoking and drinking. That just damages our bodies and makes it difficult if not impossible for our bodies to heal. Herbs are wonderful, but they aren't miracle workers. We need to find out what we are doing to make our bodies sick, and then change that. Herbs will definitely help the healing process. Praying for her, Vicki Andee Dunn <Moxee57 wrote: Hi Y'all!I'd like to pick your (collective) brains a bit...I have a dd who is turning to me for help - of any kind. She knowsI'm getting into natural remedies, herbal healing, proper foods,alternative health care, etc. She's frustrated with medical docs butnot trusting much else yet either.For the last two months she's had numerous bouts of nausea daily,vomiting at times but not every day and not consistent with anythingwe can think of. She gets migraines a lot - always has since she wasabout 8 or 9 years old. She smokes - and works part time in a bar soshe's around a smoky environment too. She also drinks - at times toomuch (not just my observation, she knows this too). She's hadrecurrent female problems too - periods really heavy unless she's onBC of some kind, but she doesn't tolerate depo anymore, nor seasonale,and is not on some high dose typical BC pills (21 days on, 7 daysoff). Two months back she had "typical (for her) period bleeding"during the week off, then about a week into the next pac she startedanother week of bleeding the same - since then, nothing, not evenduring her week off. About a month ago her left side began hurting -this has come and gone for about 5 yrs now - sometimes with adiagnosis of cervical dysplasia - paps haven't been "clean" for these5 yrs either. The pain has intensified in the last two weeks. Shenoticed symptoms for bladder infection about that time and uppedquantity of water daily as well as began drinking cranberry juiceseveral times daily. She went to doc Friday and was found to have avery severe bladder infection and they put her on "Cipro" for 2 weeks,she's also taking another pill (turns urine dark reddish) for the painwith urinating. Today the pain still isn't any better so she asked meto drive into the urgent care center. Two hours there and all theycan say is her urine tests show fewer white cells than Friday, andblood work (initially) looks good, and she now has a fever (there wasnone on Friday) of about 100(f). They (2 docs saw her) do not haveany answers why the pain is so persistent. At one point one docthought he felt a lump in her left side (not sure where) and she'ssaid sometimes it feels like there's a ball in her belly/side (nearthe center of the pain).She has regular meds of migraines - plus preventive meds - and now thetwo above for the bladder stuff. Friday nite I sent her home withabout 12 ounces of colliodal silver - she has maybe 1 or 2 left, sotoday I gave another 8 or so ounces. She's drinking an ounce or so ata time whenever she's home (she's working 3 jobs and constantly in andout).Any ideas? I just don't know enough about herbs yet to think whatmight be worth trying.Oh, one more thing, that may mean something here - I'm a DES daughter(DES was given to my mom while pg with me) with multiple reproductiveissues b/c of this - making her 2nd generation or DES granddaughter -effects are fully known (it's only been the last 10 yrs maybe thatthey've figured out it wasn't just the babies who's moms were treatedbut that it's also affecting subsequent generations too). She's seengynos repeatedly with no real results - only more problems and/orquestions to answer.Thanks in advance for all your help!Andee Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Whew... I'm so sorry for her problems! So young and already so many! It does sound similar to my own list of issues until recently. In all honesty, first and foremost she needs to be off all the prescription drugs and antibiotics. A kidney cleanse would help immediately with the bladder infection (That's what I had to do, 5 day cleanse and it did wonders... check out http://curezone.com/schulze/herbal_5day_kidney_cleanse.asp ) but in all truth I don't think anything is going to quit completely until she changes a lot of things. I also have endometriosis, terrible pain, irregular and erratic periods, as well as ovarian cystitis, repeating the evil pain of forming, rupturing and reforming, ALL too many times landing me in the ER, and recurring kidney stones and bladder infections... all of which have repaired themselves for the most part, but only over time and a LOT of life changes.The bar scene, for one, is just asking for all of it. I used to work with local bands, did all the promo artwork for them... and I LIVED in old run down smokey bars. Makes it 100% harder to EVER quit smoking (I'm still struggling to quit completely...), and definitely makes it all the easier to drink too much. I would bet the migraines are much associated to this too... I suffered from migraines and stomach problems since the 1st grade, but as an adult in that kind of lifestyle, they all became a million times worse. Cutting out the bar scene, prescription and OTC drugs, and serious diet changes have helped everything a lot! Just my opinion, but the road of prescription meds is a LONG one that only prolongs and leads to the necessity of more meds... which it sounds like she's already headed a good ways down that road. Even the BC... these days, a dr wants to put EVERY woman on it, automatically, even when it's not necessary! All I have seen is the teaching that it is a way for a woman to be responsible, yet all I hear about is all the issues women have because of it. NOT worth it, if you ask me!!! My dr suckered me into it, for a whole 2 months and then I grew the wiser and took myself back off. Just that 2 months threw my body even more out of whack than it was on it's own! Natural herbs and a better diet don't have 500 side effects that cause us to take 500 MORE meds! It's hard to achieve such a huge change, because we live in a world that moves all too fast anymore, and we want and feel the NEED for quick fixes. So it's too easy to fall back on the old ways we're used to, just to keep up! But a little at a time DOES make a huge difference. For immediate relief, I guess I would start with the cleanse, and I'm sure others on here will give you great advice as well. I believe they told me, when I had a kidney infection, Total Tonic, and Echanecea... I got it in tincture (liquid) and drank it every hour for 2 days, just a dropperfull each time... worked great for pain relief, as it seems to have killed the infection. I feel for her pain... been there many times!!! ) Best wishes and healing, and I apologize for my "novel" of a post!Love and Blessings,~RaavenAndee Dunn <Moxee57 wrote: Hi Y'all! I'd like to pick your (collective) brains a bit... I have a dd who is turning to me for help - of any kind. She knows I'm getting into natural remedies, herbal healing, proper foods, alternative health care, etc. She's frustrated with medical docs but not trusting much else yet either. For the last two months she's had numerous bouts of nausea daily, vomiting at times but not every day and not consistent with anything we can think of. She gets migraines a lot - always has since she was about 8 or 9 years old. She smokes - and works part time in a bar so she's around a smoky environment too. She also drinks - at times too much (not just my observation, she knows this too). She's had recurrent female problems too - periods really heavy unless she's on BC of some kind, but she doesn't tolerate depo anymore, nor seasonale, and is not on some high dose typical BC pills (21 days on, 7 days off). Two months back she had "typical (for her) period bleeding" during the week off, then about a week into the next pac she started another week of bleeding the same - since then, nothing, not even during her week off. About a month ago her left side began hurting - this has come and gone for about 5 yrs now - sometimes with a diagnosis of cervical dysplasia - paps haven't been "clean" for these 5 yrs either. The pain has intensified in the last two weeks. She noticed symptoms for bladder infection about that time and upped quantity of water daily as well as began drinking cranberry juice several times daily. She went to doc Friday and was found to have a very severe bladder infection and they put her on "Cipro" for 2 weeks, she's also taking another pill (turns urine dark reddish) for the pain with urinating. Today the pain still isn't any better so she asked me to drive into the urgent care center. Two hours there and all they can say is her urine tests show fewer white cells than Friday, and blood work (initially) looks good, and she now has a fever (there was none on Friday) of about 100(f). They (2 docs saw her) do not have any answers why the pain is so persistent. At one point one doc thought he felt a lump in her left side (not sure where) and she's said sometimes it feels like there's a ball in her belly/side (near the center of the pain). She has regular meds of migraines - plus preventive meds - and now the two above for the bladder stuff. Friday nite I sent her home with about 12 ounces of colliodal silver - she has maybe 1 or 2 left, so today I gave another 8 or so ounces. She's drinking an ounce or so at a time whenever she's home (she's working 3 jobs and constantly in and out). Any ideas? I just don't know enough about herbs yet to think what might be worth trying. Oh, one more thing, that may mean something here - I'm a DES daughter (DES was given to my mom while pg with me) with multiple reproductive issues b/c of this - making her 2nd generation or DES granddaughter - effects are fully known (it's only been the last 10 yrs maybe that they've figured out it wasn't just the babies who's moms were treated but that it's also affecting subsequent generations too). She's seen gynos repeatedly with no real results - only more problems and/or questions to answer. Thanks in advance for all your help! Andee *Raaven* )Love Always To All Living~e j lanierArtist and Believer*Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.*~ A. Einstein How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Hello, I agree with all of this, but be very careful recommending anybody come off the pill. The FAM is NOT reliable - condoms would be a much safer alternative without using any hormone preparations. >-- Original Message -- >herbal remedies >ramona >Mon, 1 May 2006 09:19:30 -0500 >Re: Herbal Remedies - Need help for 23yo dd >herbal remedies > > >I have been really struggling with how to answer this. There is help availible, >yes. There are things that she can do, yes. However, if she is looking >for >symptomatic relief, she is still in an alleopathic mindset, not a homeopathic >one. First of all, the things to do will require a TOTAL change of lifestyle. > >I am sure you know that the drinking and smoking have to go for her to get >herself cleaned out, but also the birth control pills. They are making the >feminine problems worse, not better. If she still wishes to indulge in the >behaviors without the risk of pregnancy, she should look into the FAM >(fertility awareness method) as discribed in Taking Control of Your Fertility. > >There has been a lot of recent discussion on this group about quitting smoking, >so I will not add to it, except to say that she will have to get herself >out of >the smoking environment too. > >As for drinking, honey is one of the best treatments for alcoholism that >of >which I have ever heard. > >Along with this she needs to cut out coffee, tea, and other caffinated >beverages. > >After she has cut out the major pollutants, she needs to do the total body >cleanse as discribed in the files, and while she is doing the liver cleanse, >she needs to do the blood cleanse at the same time. This will clear out >the >bad hormones that are causing the female problems. > >After the cleanse, any meat or milk should be hormone free, that is organic >(or >natural in some stores) her problems are being caused by an excess of estrogen >(which is also the drug in the birth control pills) it is also a hormone >they >inject in meat. > >There are also formulas on this site for balancing the female hormones, or >maca >is another one to look at to balance the female system. > >The migranes should deminish with the reduction of pollutants, and then when >her >system is clean they can be addressed with other herbal remedies. > >What I am stressing here is the commitment to cleansing out her body. She >has >spent years polluting it, and the problems are catching up with her. Doctors >will only offer more drugs, and the problems will get worse. It is up to >her >about the commitment though. It is not an easy shift to make. > >Ramona > >Quoting Andee Dunn <Moxee57: > >> Hi Y'all! >> >> I'd like to pick your (collective) brains a bit... >> >> I have a dd who is turning to me for help - of any kind. She knows >> I'm getting into natural remedies, herbal healing, proper foods, >> alternative health care, etc. She's frustrated with medical docs but >> not trusting much else yet either. >> > > > > > >Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: >1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. >2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > >3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and >to >prescribe for your own health. >We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long >as >they behave themselves. >Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > >following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. >It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from >list members, you are agreeing to >be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members >free of any liability. > >Dr. Ian Shillington >Doctor of Naturopathy >Dr.IanShillington > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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