Pigs Suffering Just Too Much.....

April 9, 2008

Note from me:

I'm not, or haven't been a vegetarian. And, even though I've been aware

of the type of things PETA usually sends, I guess I've tried not to think

about it. But, I have to admit that, for some reason, this post may be

the last straw. Why now, rather than some other post? I have no idea. All

I know, is I can't continue to read these sorts of things and feel I'm in

any way responsible. That, perhaps, because of me and people like

me, that some of this cruelty continues. So, I'm going vegetarian. And so

is DH, whether he likes it or not.

Not that I'm advocating this for anyone else - I'm not. But, at the very

least I think we need to be aware of where what we're eating comes from:

how it's treated, what drugs it's given, and how it dies. While I don't

know for sure, I doubt animals are treated any better anywhere else. I

could be wrong - and I know there are certain companies that do a more

humane job. But, I don't feel I can guarantee it. So, I'm not going to

take the chance.

Don't get me wrong, I think humans were meant to be meat-eaters, and if I

had a farm, or knew someone who did, that's where I would get my meat.

But, I don't. So......It's just that, for some reason, the post below

really impacted me - made me feel really depressed. Anyway, so

that's it..........all I have to say. Just wanted to share this post, in

case some didn't know how the pork we love to eat is treated before we

get it. Maybe some - or a lot of you already knew these things. But, the

reason I'm sending it is in case there's someone who doesn't.

Lynn.

Do you know how pigs in the U.S.

live their lives?

Fact #1: In the U.S., more than 97

percent of pigssmart, social, interesting animalsare raised on factory

farms. They spend their entire lives in cramped, filthy warehouses,

where they never see the sun or breathe fresh air. Because of their

hideous living conditions, more than 70 percent of the pigs have

pneumonia by the time they are kicked and prodded onto trucks bound for

slaughterhouses. As piglets, they are ripped away from their mothers when

they are less than 1 month old and dosed with antibiotics, and they have

their tails, teeth, and testicles cut offall without any pain relief.

But even that's not all that they go through.

Breeding sows are imprisoned (there's really no other word for it) in

metal gestation crates so small that they can't even turn around or take

a single stepmany develop painful sores and bruises from being

immobilized on a hard surface. Shortly after giving birth, they are

forcibly impregnated again. This cycle continues for years until their

bodies finally give out and the animals are sent to slaughter. After

enduring these hellish conditions for years, squealing pigs are poked,

kicked, and dragged onto trucks so that they can be sent to

slaughter.

Fact #2: It doesn't have to be this way. PETA is taking on the

world's biggest pork producers and reducing the abuse of these poor

animals. Your

urgent support will help PETA make major changes in this cruel industry

and reduce the suffering of millions of farmed pigs.

Your generosity today will be used to help PETA reduce the pain

and suffering of myriad pigs, cows, fish, chickens, and other animals on

massive factory farmseach one an individual who needs help.

Please know this: PETA's work gets results! We've already successfully

pressured giants in the industry to make important changes with regard to

how they breed, confine, and kill animals:

Following more than 100 PETA demonstrations across North America and

negotiations with PETA, Safeway became the first Fortune 500

company to make dramatic improvements in the living and dying conditions

of farmed animals, including making unannounced audits of its suppliers,

establishing a purchasing preference for suppliers that don't use

gestation crates, and immediately purchasing a significant portion of its

pig flesh from existing farms that do not confine animals to tiny cages.

Safeway credited PETA with " turn[ing] on the light of an issue we

need to address. "

PETA's influence over its customers, including fast-food chains like

McDonald's and Burger King, convinced Smithfield Foodsthe largest

pig-flesh supplier in the worldto agree to phase out all gestation

crates on its company-owned factory farms within a decade. Currently, at

any given minute, more than 1 million mother pigs are confined by

Smithfield to these hideous crates.

Just a few days later, Maple Leaf Foods, the largest pig

flesh-producer in Canada, announced that it would follow suit. Then,

almost immediately afterward, another massive pig-flesh

supplierCargill Foodsagreed to stop using gestation crates on

half its farms immediately.

These decisions significantly reduce the suffering of pigs and have

sent shockwaves through the entire meat industry. But we have much

more to do, which is why we very much need your help.

PETA's high-profile protests and media outreach, consumer boycotts, and

undercover investigations are doing what no one thought was possible:

getting the world's worst abusers of animals to clean up their acts.

And none of this would be possible without your caring

support.

Thank you for showing, once again, that all animals deserve our

compassion.

Kind regards,

Ingrid E. Newkirk

President

P.S. Pigs are exceptionally intelligent, sensitive animals and are often

compared to dogs for being smart, friendly, loyal, and playful. They're

also naturally very clean and go out of their way to avoid soiling their

living areas, which is impossible in factory-farm conditions. Pigs love

to spend hours socializing and exploring their surroundings. Few will

ever get the chance to do so.

With your

support, we can help stop the very worst abuses of these animals.

Thank you for all you do.

April 9, 2008

From what I understand, PETA isn't all nicey nicey either.

As for the "going vegetarian", I wish you luck.

Kenneth T

-

Lynn Ward

arubyrogers ;

Tuesday, April 08, 2008 23:08

Pigs Suffering Just Too Much.....

Note from me: I'm not, or haven't been a vegetarian. And, even though I've been aware of the type of things PETA usually sends, I guess I've tried not to think about it. But, I have to admit that, for some reason, this post may be the last straw. Why now, rather than some other post? I have no idea. All I know, is I can't continue to read these sorts of things and feel I'm in any way responsible. That, perhaps, because of me and people like me, that some of this cruelty continues. So, I'm going vegetarian. And so is DH, whether he likes it or not.Not that I'm advocating this for anyone else - I'm not. But, at the very least I think we need to be aware of where what we're eating comes from: how it's treated, what drugs it's given, and how it dies. While I don't know for sure, I doubt animals are treated any better anywhere else. I could be wrong - and I know there are certain companies that do a more humane job. But, I don't feel I can guarantee it. So, I'm not going to take the chance.Don't get me wrong, I think humans were meant to be meat-eaters, and if I had a farm, or knew someone who did, that's where I would get my meat. But, I don't. So......It's just that, for some reason, the post below really impacted me - made me feel really depressed. Anyway, so that's it..........all I have to say. Just wanted to share this post, in case some didn't know how the pork we love to eat is treated before we get it. Maybe some - or a lot of you already knew these things. But, the reason I'm sending it is in case there's someone who doesn't.Lynn.Do you know how pigs in the U.S. live their lives?Fact #1: In the U.S., more than 97 percent of pigssmart, social, interesting animalsare raised on factory farms. They spend their entire lives in cramped, filthy warehouses, where they never see the sun or breathe fresh air. Because of their hideous living conditions, more than 70 percent of the pigs have pneumonia by the time they are kicked and prodded onto trucks bound for slaughterhouses. As piglets, they are ripped away from their mothers when they are less than 1 month old and dosed with antibiotics, and they have their tails, teeth, and testicles cut offall without any pain relief. But even that's not all that they go through.Breeding sows are imprisoned (there's really no other word for it) in metal gestation crates so small that they can't even turn around or take a single stepmany develop painful sores and bruises from being immobilized on a hard surface. Shortly after giving birth, they are forcibly impregnated again. This cycle continues for years until their bodies finally give out and the animals are sent to slaughter. After enduring these hellish conditions for years, squealing pigs are poked, kicked, and dragged onto trucks so that they can be sent to slaughter.Fact #2: It doesn't have to be this way. PETA is taking on the world's biggest pork producers and reducing the abuse of these poor animals. Your urgent support will help PETA make major changes in this cruel industry and reduce the suffering of millions of farmed pigs.Your generosity today will be used to help PETA reduce the pain and suffering of myriad pigs, cows, fish, chickens, and other animals on massive factory farmseach one an individual who needs help. Please know this: PETA's work gets results! We've already successfully pressured giants in the industry to make important changes with regard to how they breed, confine, and kill animals:

Following more than 100 PETA demonstrations across North America and negotiations with PETA, Safeway became the first Fortune 500 company to make dramatic improvements in the living and dying conditions of farmed animals, including making unannounced audits of its suppliers, establishing a purchasing preference for suppliers that don't use gestation crates, and immediately purchasing a significant portion of its pig flesh from existing farms that do not confine animals to tiny cages. Safeway credited PETA with "turn[ing] on the light of an issue we need to address." PETA's influence over its customers, including fast-food chains like McDonald's and Burger King, convinced Smithfield Foodsthe largest pig-flesh supplier in the worldto agree to phase out all gestation crates on its company-owned factory farms within a decade. Currently, at any given minute, more than 1 million mother pigs are confined by Smithfield to these hideous crates. Just a few days later, Maple Leaf Foods, the largest pig flesh-producer in Canada, announced that it would follow suit. Then, almost immediately afterward, another massive pig-flesh supplierCargill Foodsagreed to stop using gestation crates on half its farms immediately. These decisions significantly reduce the suffering of pigs and have sent shockwaves through the entire meat industry. But we have much more to do, which is why we very much need your help. PETA's high-profile protests and media outreach, consumer boycotts, and undercover investigations are doing what no one thought was possible: getting the world's worst abusers of animals to clean up their acts. And none of this would be possible without your caring support.Thank you for showing, once again, that all animals deserve our compassion. Kind regards, Ingrid E. NewkirkPresidentP.S. Pigs are exceptionally intelligent, sensitive animals and are often compared to dogs for being smart, friendly, loyal, and playful. They're also naturally very clean and go out of their way to avoid soiling their living areas, which is impossible in factory-farm conditions. Pigs love to spend hours socializing and exploring their surroundings. Few will ever get the chance to do so. With your support, we can help stop the very worst abuses of these animals. Thank you for all you do.

April 9, 2008

Lynn, I've heard that Great Britain stopped factory farming pigs a couple of years ago, I am not sure about other animals. They passed laws requiring that pigs be given enough space to socialize and play, and even require that they be provided with toys. Loved your commentary!Lynn Ward <lynnward wrote: Note from me: I'm not, or haven't been a vegetarian. And, even though I've been aware of the type of

things PETA usually sends, I guess I've tried not to think about it. But, I have to admit that, for some reason, this post may be the last straw. Why now, rather than some other post? I have no idea. All I know, is I can't continue to read these sorts of things and feel I'm in any way responsible. That, perhaps, because of me and people like me, that some of this cruelty continues. So, I'm going vegetarian. And so is DH, whether he likes it or not.Not that I'm advocating this for anyone else - I'm not. But, at the very least I think we need to be aware of where what we're eating comes from: how it's treated, what drugs it's given, and how it dies. While I don't know for sure, I doubt animals are treated any better anywhere else. I could be wrong - and I know there are certain companies that do a more humane job. But, I don't feel I can guarantee it. So, I'm not going to take the chance.Don't get me wrong, I think humans were meant to be meat-eaters,

and if I had a farm, or knew someone who did, that's where I would get my meat. But, I don't. So......It's just that, for some reason, the post below really impacted me - made me feel really depressed. Anyway, so that's it..........all I have to say. Just wanted to share this post, in case some didn't know how the pork we love to eat is treated before we get it. Maybe some - or a lot of you already knew these things. But, the reason I'm sending it is in case there's someone who doesn't.Lynn.Do you know how pigs in the U.S. live their lives?Fact #1: In the U.S., more than 97 percent of pigssmart, social, interesting animalsare raised on factory farms. They spend their entire lives in cramped, filthy warehouses, where they never see the sun or breathe fresh air. Because of their hideous living conditions, more than 70 percent of the pigs have pneumonia by

the time they are kicked and prodded onto trucks bound for slaughterhouses. As piglets, they are ripped away from their mothers when they are less than 1 month old and dosed with antibiotics, and they have their tails, teeth, and testicles cut offall without any pain relief. But even that's not all that they go through.Breeding sows are imprisoned (there's really no other word for it) in metal gestation crates so small that they can't even turn around or take a single stepmany develop painful sores and bruises from being immobilized on a hard surface. Shortly after giving birth, they are forcibly impregnated again. This cycle continues for years until their bodies finally give out and the animals are sent to slaughter. After enduring these hellish conditions for years, squealing pigs are poked, kicked, and dragged onto trucks so that they can be sent to slaughter.Fact #2: It doesn't have to be this way. PETA is taking on the world's biggest

pork producers and reducing the abuse of these poor animals. Your urgent support will help PETA make major changes in this cruel industry and reduce the suffering of millions of farmed pigs.Your generosity today will be used to help PETA reduce the pain and suffering of myriad pigs, cows, fish, chickens, and other animals on massive factory farmseach one an individual who needs help. Please know this: PETA's work gets results! We've already successfully pressured giants in the industry to make important changes with regard to how they breed, confine, and kill animals: Following more than 100 PETA demonstrations across North America and negotiations with PETA, Safeway became the first Fortune 500 company to make dramatic improvements in the living and dying conditions of farmed animals, including making unannounced audits of its suppliers, establishing a purchasing

preference for suppliers that don't use gestation crates, and immediately purchasing a significant portion of its pig flesh from existing farms that do not confine animals to tiny cages. Safeway credited PETA with "turn[ing] on the light of an issue we need to address." PETA's influence over its customers, including fast-food chains like McDonald's and Burger King, convinced Smithfield Foodsthe largest pig-flesh supplier in the worldto agree to phase out all gestation crates on its company-owned factory farms within a decade. Currently, at any given minute, more than 1 million mother pigs are confined by Smithfield to these hideous crates. Just a few days later, Maple Leaf Foods, the largest pig flesh-producer in Canada, announced that it would follow suit. Then, almost immediately afterward, another massive pig-flesh supplierCargill Foodsagreed to stop using gestation crates on half its farms immediately.

These decisions significantly reduce the suffering of pigs and have sent shockwaves through the entire meat industry. But we have much more to do, which is why we very much need your help. PETA's high-profile protests and media outreach, consumer boycotts, and undercover investigations are doing what no one thought was possible: getting the world's worst abusers of animals to clean up their acts. And none of this would be possible without your caring support.Thank you for showing, once again, that all animals deserve our compassion. Kind regards, Ingrid E. NewkirkPresidentP.S. Pigs are exceptionally intelligent, sensitive animals and are often compared to dogs for being smart, friendly, loyal, and playful. They're also naturally very clean and go out of their way to avoid soiling their

living areas, which is impossible in factory-farm conditions. Pigs love to spend hours socializing and exploring their surroundings. Few will ever get the chance to do so. With your support, we can help stop the very worst abuses of these animals. Thank you for all you do. Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons because, to them, you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

April 9, 2008

At 12:54 AM 4/9/2008, you wrote:

Thanks..............I'm glad GB has stopped - now if we can get the

others to follow.......Plus, I have to wonder what that type of stress

does to the nutrition of the meat. We know severe stress impacts people

in negative ways - I wouldn't be surprised if they found it decreased

nutritional value in animals who live - and die - highly stressed. Seems

to me, if change can be couched in a dollar and cents way, it might come

more quickly. ....I just read that over, and it probably doesn't make

sense.....what I meant was, if it can be determined that meat raised in

such high stress environments isn't either as tasty and/or nutritious,

corporations may be more likely to change than if an activist group such

as PETA raises a stink. People are more likely to make changes when it

impacts their pocket books.....

Lynn

Lynn, I've heard that Great

Britain stopped factory farming pigs a couple of years ago, I am not sure

about other animals. They passed laws requiring that pigs be given

enough space to socialize and play, and even require that they be

provided with toys.

Loved your commentary!

April 9, 2008

first, pigs are usually weaned around 6 wks....I've been in smaller

commercial operations, where we buy 8-12 wk old piglets, and

even though I'm not big on confinement raising, not a SINGLE

piglet we've ever bought, or SEEN (we go inside the places)

have had pneumonia. I don't doubt it's possible, but it's not the

norm. the tips of their tusk teeth, and the ends of their tails are cut

off, or else they rip each other with their teeth, eat tails, after all, they

are not on wide open ranges, and even if they were, they'd still

fight at times, to the death. that is done, to prevent injuries, which

can lead to life threatening infections...in the wild, they die, in

captivity, they go on antibiotics, or they practice prevention...

they are castrated, and not put under. they make noise, as soon

as you restrain them...from being restrained, as soon as you leg

go, either just letting them go, or castrating them, which takes

minutes, they shut up...of course, we could put them under, risk

losing some to that, and have that in the meat we eat, too. in the

wild, boars will kill each other, fighting for the right to breed...

same would happen in confinement, plus hormones influence our

meat's taste...so that castrating helps prevent all of that..

the sows are in farrowing crates, and they can lay down, but it

keeps them from crushing their piglets. unless they are spread

out over a large area, and deeply bedded with straw, this will

happen. so the confinement works. and none of the sows I've

seen, have ever had *large sores*, etc...

if they were to go to each sow having a HUGE area to raise her

young, etc...your food prices would go up even more, and people

would really scream...not everyn one can afford organic, or even

cares. it would be nice, but it doesn't have to be law. if people cared

enough, and would pay the higher price, it would happen.

Peta lies, period! peta takes some of the worst examples, and

claims they are the norm. or stretches the truth...peta kills animals,

who listens to peta...peta wants all domestic animals dead...one

generation and gone...no meat eating, no horse back riding, etc...

no pets in your house!

if someone wants to be a vegan, fine...but, they shouldn't be lied to,

coerced & tricked into it. of course, if people weren't so far removed

from their food sources, such as the days when they raised their own,

and hunted for it, we wouldn't have this mockery going on.

when I see pre teens, making the decisions to go vegetarian or vegan,

and the parents do nothing, I'm thinking, who's the parent here, and who

has the education, and who allows this crap in the schools...and just

reconfirm, for myself, I'm sure glad I homeschool, and my son misses

all this brain washing that happens in schools. no more reading,

writing and arithmatic, but let's teach the kids how to live their lives,

how to vote, give animal's rights, accept NO morality issues, when it

comes to people...

Theresa (proudly raising our own milk, meat, eggs, veggies, fruit, and

teaching hunting, harvesting, self skills, and life skills, as well as the

*3 R's*!)

Bob, Theresa & Benjamin WegnerNovelty FarmSt James MO

www.noveltyfarm.com

April 9, 2008

clips from www.westonaprice.org

http://westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtbeef.html

dispells the myth that beef causes cancer, acidity, etc...

>People who raise beef not only tend to be free thinkers, they

are also good thinkers, because beef provides many factors

needed for the modern equivalent of the quick draw—keen,

quick minds—including zinc, B12, cholesterol, omega-3 fatty

acids, trace minerals, saturated fat and complete protein. In

fact, when it comes to good health—it's the beef.<

also from that same page...

>Since we're talking about vegetarianism, let's examine the claim that vegetarians live longer than meat eaters. The late Dr. Russell Smith, who was a statistician, took a close look at the studies purporting to show that vegetarianism was a healthier life-style.25 In a review of some 3,000 articles in the scientific literature, he found only two that compared mortality data for vegetarians and nonvegetarians. One was a 1978 study of Seventh Day Adventists (SDA's). Although published analyses of this study claim that it showed that the vegetarians lived longer, Smith's analysis of total mortality rates as a function of the frequencies of consuming cheese, meat, milk, eggs and fat attached to meat found that the total death rate decreased as the frequencies of consuming cheese, eggs, meat and milk increased.

The second study was published by Burr and Sweetnam in 1982.26. Once again, although the authors claim that their study showed that vegetarians lived longer, Smith found quite the opposite when he looked carefully at the hard data. He found that the all-cause death rates were slightly greater for vegetarian men compared to nonvegetarian men; and significantly greater for vegetarian women compared to nonvegetarian women.

Vegetarians never mention a study by Dr. Emmanuel Cheraskin who surveyed 1040 dentists and their wives. Those who had the fewest problems and diseases as measured by the Cornell Medical Index had the most protein in their diets.27 Yet almost all the treatments for chronic disease found in alternative publications these days begin with the recommendation of a vegetarian diet. Typical is an article by a Dr. Brodie that appeared in Issue #13 of Alternative Medicine Digest, published by Burton Goldberg.28 Dr. Brodie recommends a "balanced vegetarian diet" of raw fruits and vegetables, whole grains and beans with no "refined sugars, red meat, caffeine and chemically preserved foods." This is truly guilt by association!

But wait! In order to get well, Dr. Brodie recommends certain supplements including vitamin A, vitamin B6, thymus extracts, zinc, cysteine, and bovine cartilage, all of which are largely absent in plant foods and plentifully available in beef! At least they are available if you are eating the whole animal as our ancestors did—meat, organs, cartilage, bones and fat. >

April 10, 2008

Hi Teresa!

I am wondering how big the pig farm is that you are talking about

below?

It obviously isn't as big as the ones that PETA or any animal rights

group have video taped undercover. For someone to blatantly call the

suffering, mistreatment and down-right abuse of factory farmed animals

a lie, is preposterous! Maybe you don't read enough, snoop online or

get out enough, but please don't call pig-farming, cow-farming,

chicken-farming, duck-farming, and all-- HUMANE!

I missed the part about the brainwashing in schools....so you are

saying that teens who choose to not eat dead flesh, are being

brainwashed? By whom? You really think the SCHOOLS are doing the

brainwashing? The home of the 4 food groups!? Meat, dairy, bread, vegs.

How many of those support the factory farm?

My daughters bf milks 300 cows a day, 24 hours a day. Good old

fashioned *family farms* are few and far between anymore. That is NOT

saying they are right and the animals are NOT pumped full of drugs to

keep them alive. So if your defending YOUR family farm, that is

fine, but please don't defend the factory farm against anything. I pray

your fighting the NAIS like a banchee!

This IS the age of the

*factory* farm, and they are ALL inhumane from the viewpoint of the

animals who live there, I am sure. But not everyone could see the

burning lungs from the ammonia smell that never goes away! Or the never

seeing daylight. Or the animal on animal living conditions! Would you

think it is normal for pigs to chew on each other when giving room to

outside access and being allowed to ROOT as nature intended them to do?

I think not.

As you will see below, there are many, many video tapes out there,

BESIDES PETA, so have your PETA rant if you will, but please don't

condone factory farms or anything they entail.

Poor pigs! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316624,00.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoJyt6kUt5Q

Poor cows! http://video.hsus.org/

Click on factory farm, watch em all if you DARE! But especially the

first one.

Poor chickens! http://www.cok.net/magazine/15/02.php

http://www.eggcruelty.com/gallery.asp

Poor ducks! http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/0712-01.htm

Poor dogs! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22100558/

Poor everything! http://www.undercovertv.org/EpisodeGuide_b.php

Sad to say, but there is no humanity IN the human anymore!

Watch the videos, prove it to yourself.

Toni

"What we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday,

and our present thoughts build our life of tomorrow:

Our life is the creation of our mind." ~Buddha~

Bob & Theresa Wegner wrote:

first, pigs are usually weaned around 6

wks....I've been in smaller

commercial operations, where we buy 8-12 wk

old piglets, and

even though I'm not big on confinement

raising, not a SINGLE

piglet we've ever bought, or SEEN (we go

inside the places)

have had pneumonia. I don't doubt it's

possible, but it's not the

norm. the tips of their tusk teeth, and the

ends of their tails are cut

off, or else they rip each other with their

teeth, eat tails, after all, they

are not on wide open ranges, and even if they

were, they'd still

fight at times, to the death. that is done,

to prevent injuries, which

can lead to life threatening infections...in

the wild, they die, in

captivity, they go on antibiotics, or they

practice prevention...

they are castrated, and not put under. they

make noise, as soon

as you restrain them...from being restrained,

as soon as you leg

go, either just letting them go, or

castrating them, which takes

minutes, they shut up...of course, we could

put them under, risk

losing some to that, and have that in the

meat we eat, too. in the

wild, boars will kill each other, fighting

for the right to breed...

same would happen in confinement, plus

hormones influence our

meat's taste...so that castrating helps

prevent all of that..

the sows are in farrowing crates, and they

can lay down, but it

keeps them from crushing their piglets.

unless they are spread

out over a large area, and deeply bedded with

straw, this will

happen. so the confinement works. and none of

the sows I've

seen, have ever had *large sores*, etc...

if they were to go to each sow having a HUGE

area to raise her

young, etc...your food prices would go up

even more, and people

would really scream...not everyn one can

afford organic, or even

cares. it would be

nice, but it doesn't have to be law. if people cared

enough, and would pay the higher price, it

would happen.

Peta lies, period! peta takes some of the

worst examples, and

claims they are the norm. or stretches the

truth...peta kills animals,

who listens to peta...peta wants all domestic

animals dead...one

generation and gone...no meat eating, no

horse back riding, etc...

no pets in your house!

if someone wants to be a vegan, fine...but,

they shouldn't be lied to,

coerced & tricked into it. of course, if

people weren't so far removed

from their food sources, such as the days

when they raised their own,

and hunted for it, we wouldn't have this

mockery going on.

when I see pre teens, making the decisions to

go vegetarian or vegan,

and the parents do nothing, I'm thinking,

who's the parent here, and who

has the education, and who allows this crap

in the schools...and just

reconfirm, for myself, I'm sure glad I

homeschool, and my son misses

all this brain washing that happens in

schools. no more reading,

writing and arithmatic, but let's teach the

kids how to live their lives,

how to vote, give animal's rights, accept NO

morality issues, when it

comes to people...

Theresa (proudly raising our own milk, meat,

eggs, veggies, fruit, and

teaching hunting, harvesting, self skills,

and life skills, as well as the

*3 R's*!)

Bob, Theresa & Benjamin Wegner

Novelty Farm

St James MO

www.noveltyfarm.com

April 10, 2008

THANK YOU TONI ! ! ! Excellent post. Factory farms are hell on earth for the animals. Decency and humanity is more and more becoming a thing of the past. The love of money IS TRULY the root of all evil...in almost EVERY crime and evil perpetrated on innocents done on earth, you can follow the trail straight back to greed. And it only gets worse every year that goes by.

Tricia

-

T

Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:40 PM ~ PP

Re: Pigs Suffering Just Too Much.....

Hi Teresa! I am wondering how big the pig farm is that you are talking about below? It obviously isn't as big as the ones that PETA or any animal rights group have video taped undercover. For someone to blatantly call the suffering, mistreatment and down-right abuse of factory farmed animals a lie, is preposterous! Maybe you don't read enough, snoop online or get out enough, but please don't call pig-farming, cow-farming, chicken-farming, duck-farming, and all-- HUMANE!I missed the part about the brainwashing in schools....so you are saying that teens who choose to not eat dead flesh, are being brainwashed? By whom? You really think the SCHOOLS are doing the brainwashing? The home of the 4 food groups!? Meat, dairy, bread, vegs. How many of those support the factory farm?My daughters bf milks 300 cows a day, 24 hours a day. Good old fashioned *family farms* are few and far between anymore. That is NOT saying they are right and the animals are NOT pumped full of drugs to keep them alive. So if your defending YOUR family farm, that is fine, but please don't defend the factory farm against anything. I pray your fighting the NAIS like a banchee!This IS the age of the *factory* farm, and they are ALL inhumane from the viewpoint of the animals who live there, I am sure. But not everyone could see the burning lungs from the ammonia smell that never goes away! Or the never seeing daylight. Or the animal on animal living conditions! Would you think it is normal for pigs to chew on each other when giving room to outside access and being allowed to ROOT as nature intended them to do? I think not.As you will see below, there are many, many video tapes out there, BESIDES PETA, so have your PETA rant if you will, but please don't condone factory farms or anything they entail.Poor pigs! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316624,00.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoJyt6kUt5QPoor cows! http://video.hsus.org/ Click on factory farm, watch em all if you DARE! But especially the first one.Poor chickens! http://www.cok.net/magazine/15/02.phphttp://www.eggcruelty.com/gallery.aspPoor ducks! http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/0712-01.htmPoor dogs! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22100558/Poor everything! http://www.undercovertv.org/EpisodeGuide_b.phpSad to say, but there is no humanity IN the human anymore!Watch the videos, prove it to yourself.Toni"What we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday,