Re:Is Ting Li Zi used to tx invisible phlegm/seizure disorders w excess?

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bart et al herbalists, re: ban xia hou po tang etc. do you see great overlap bw

tx plum pit qi / dysphagia? i would presume so. lynn

 

[gbp3] wrote:

As an aside, and perhaps I am stating the obvious, but the classic formula

for plum pit qi is ban xia hou po tang. I was curious if you have tried it,

and whether it had any effect?

 

 

 

Bart Paulding, LAc

 

 

 

 

 

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Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of yehuda

frischman

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:04 PM

Chinese Medicine

Is Ting Li Zi ever used to treat invisible phlegm/seizure

disorders with excess?

 

 

 

Dear Friends, teachers, and colleagues,

 

A little over a year ago, in a different group, I initiated a discussion in

which the mechanism whereby Wei Ling Xian is able to dissolve or dislodge

fish bones was discussed. I had asked the question with my wife in mind. As

some of you may know, she suffers from a seizure disorder. I wondered out

loud, that if Wei Ling Xian is

able to dissolve fish bones in the throat, would it not also be useful to

dissolving " invisible phlegm " or plum pit qi as well. My experience with her

seizures supports Chinese medical literature which specifically attributes

them to " invisible phlegm " misting the channels, for prior to the seizures

(which occur cyclically every 3

to 4 weeks) there is a gradual buildup of thick, yet clear pathogenic

phlegm, which she has difficulty clearing from her throat, and which at

times drools out of her mouth. During the time that the seizures occur (the

original seizure is usually followed by

3-5 postictal seizures which occur within 3 or so days), it increases

further, and for the next 4-5 days she has difficulty swallowing because of

this pathogenic saliva like phlegm in her throat. Recently I've started to

use an aspirator which does help a

bit. Yet for the next few days, it returns, swallowing is difficult, and

when she speaks, she makes gurging sounds like she's under water. She also

has difficulty hearing and understanding as well, another manifestation of

the phlegm blocking the channels.

 

My question is this: I know that Ting li zi is an herb of choice

when phlegm is manifested with excess and gurgling of phlegm in the

throat, especially for asthmatic conditions or pleurisy, it also is

used to reduce upper-Jiao edema, with urinary difficulty, and it's

cardiotonic and even used for congestive heart failure and cor

pulmonale. Does anyone know of studies or articles that demonstrate

that it can be helpful in " draining " invisible phlegm in excess

conditions, as well, and perhaps be useful in seizure disorders such

as my wife's?

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda Frischman

 

 

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