FW: Is Ting Li Zi ever used to treat invisible phlegm/seizure

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

 

Here's my two cents on the Ting Li Zi question.

 

First it is important to remember that Phlegm is always a branch

symptom. So, in this case, what is the root of the phlegm? There

are quite a few possible roots of phlegm. What are the roots in

this case. Only then can we determine the correct way to eradicate it.

 

Secondly, Ting Li Zi works on the Lung/Bladder axis. This means that

it drains the phlegm out of the Lung through urination. The main

indication for the use of Ting Li Zi is upper warmer fluid retention

with blocked urination. This could be manifesting as incomplete

urination, infrequent urination, scanty urination or concentrated

urine. If there is no urinary symptom then the bladder is not the

correct avenue for the expulsion of phlegm in this case.

Nonetheless, it may " work " just as a diuretic can work to reduce

edema. We all know the problems with diuretics - they weaken the

body and the water comes back. The problem is that the phlegm, if

not addressed at the root and not addressed correctly, will come back

and the body will be weakened by the incorrect treatment.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Sharon

 

 

Sharon Weizenbaum

86 Henry Street

Amherst, MA 01002

413-549-4021

sweiz

www.whitepinehealingarts.com

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

'Worth much more than .02!

 

I agree with you and the precautions that you mention. FYI, it so happens

that often, her urine tends to be foul smelling, yellow and a little cloudy.

Also, I only used the Ting Li Zi for two days, when she exhibited the most

excess gurgling phlegm, and plan to use it symptomatically, and cyclically when

she present with the most obvious phlegm heat accumulation in the upper jiao.

The last two days, for example, she has been exhibiting more spleen qi xu, and

heart fire which has been fanning the liver wind, presenting as severe spasms in

her shoulders, head and neck, and very active tremor in her hands, very

irritable and constipated. I have modified her medicine by giving her (in

addition to her decoction) 2g raw Da Huang this morning and afternoon,

supplementing this evening with one dose of Chai Hu Mu Li Long Gu wan, and 1g of

crushed Quan Xie/Wu Gong in capsule form. I gave them to her 10 minutes ago,

the spasms and tremors stopped immediately and she is sound

asleep.

 

Thanks again,

 

Yehuda

 

 

 

sharon weizenbaum <sweiz wrote:

Hello all,

 

Here's my two cents on the Ting Li Zi question.

 

First it is important to remember that Phlegm is always a branch

symptom. So, in this case, what is the root of the phlegm? There

are quite a few possible roots of phlegm. What are the roots in

this case. Only then can we determine the correct way to eradicate it.

 

Secondly, Ting Li Zi works on the Lung/Bladder axis. This means that

it drains the phlegm out of the Lung through urination. The main

indication for the use of Ting Li Zi is upper warmer fluid retention

with blocked urination. This could be manifesting as incomplete

urination, infrequent urination, scanty urination or concentrated

urine. If there is no urinary symptom then the bladder is not the

correct avenue for the expulsion of phlegm in this case.

Nonetheless, it may " work " just as a diuretic can work to reduce

edema. We all know the problems with diuretics - they weaken the

body and the water comes back. The problem is that the phlegm, if

not addressed at the root and not addressed correctly, will come back

and the body will be weakened by the incorrect treatment.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Sharon

 

Sharon Weizenbaum

86 Henry Street

Amherst, MA 01002

413-549-4021

sweiz

www.whitepinehealingarts.com

 

 

[Guest guest]

Going back to the " invisible phlegm " investigation:

I found this fascinating article from S. Dharmananda,

http://www.itmonline.org/arts/phlegmmist.htm

 

He also lists herbs to clear phlegm misting the heart/ channels and

orifices.

 

" Phlegm mist is a concept that can be traced back at least to the Song

Dynasty. By that time, Chinese doctors were distinguishing " substantial "

phlegm (such as sputum, which is described as " condensed pathological

fluid " ) and " insubstantial phlegm " or " hidden phlegm " (such as the mist of

the heart orifices; a " thin pathological fluid " ). The substantial phlegm

would mainly accumulate in the lungs and stomach, while the insubstantial

phlegm would accumulate in the meridians, distributing to various parts of

the body, such as the heart orifices and the brain (e.g., causing dizziness

or loss of consciousness), the lymph nodes (causing nodules and swellings),

and the limbs (e.g., causing numbness). The two types of phlegm were thought

to have the same origin and the same fundamental nature, but would permeate

different parts of the body (the thick sputum could not penetrate the

meridians, but the insubstantial phlegm could). Further, insubstantial

phlegm could combine with other pathological influences to yield

phlegm-fire, wind-phlegm, and phlegm-turbidity. According to the doctrine

that evolved, the phlegm mist could cause the other pathological

factors-such as fire, wind, or damp-to produce more severe symptoms.

Further, its material nature would capture the more ethereal forces of fire

or wind to make the disease persist; similarly, the phlegm-mist could blend

with damp to yield turbidity that obscures the clear flow of qi and yang to

the brain, interfering with normal mental and sensory functions though not

completely blocking the circulation to the brain. "

 

 

On 8/28/06, sharon weizenbaum <sweiz wrote:

>

> Hello all,

>

> Here's my two cents on the Ting Li Zi question.

>

> First it is important to remember that Phlegm is always a branch

> symptom. So, in this case, what is the root of the phlegm? There

> are quite a few possible roots of phlegm. What are the roots in

> this case. Only then can we determine the correct way to eradicate it.

>

> Secondly, Ting Li Zi works on the Lung/Bladder axis. This means that

> it drains the phlegm out of the Lung through urination. The main

> indication for the use of Ting Li Zi is upper warmer fluid retention

> with blocked urination. This could be manifesting as incomplete

> urination, infrequent urination, scanty urination or concentrated

> urine. If there is no urinary symptom then the bladder is not the

> correct avenue for the expulsion of phlegm in this case.

> Nonetheless, it may " work " just as a diuretic can work to reduce

> edema. We all know the problems with diuretics - they weaken the

> body and the water comes back. The problem is that the phlegm, if

> not addressed at the root and not addressed correctly, will come back

> and the body will be weakened by the incorrect treatment.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Sharon

>

> Sharon Weizenbaum

> 86 Henry Street

> Amherst, MA 01002

> 413-549-4021

> sweiz <sweiz%40rcn.com>

> www.whitepinehealingarts.com

>

>