TCM-China Clinical report #2

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jason, re: freehand and needles, i usually freehand with 36s or 34s on fleshier

areas. i actually like 36s & 38s for ears. lynn

 

[jasonwcom] wrote:

To needle freehand you need to touch the shaft of the needle, which

may go against the USA clean needle technique training but is

perfectly safe. If you don't touch the shaft to guide it, you will

hurt the patient. Hold the needle between thumb and forefinger then

use the ringfinger and pinky to stabilize the shaft, insert it

through the tough layer of skin swiftly and deftly, then insert it

deeper slow if you are tonifying, fast to disperse...You also need to

use at least a .30 width needle or else forget it it will bend, maybe

a .25 but thats pushing it...

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " Tom Verhaeghe "

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> > As for hands on , Ive decided to learn freehand style as done

here.

> > However, I am struggling with that; its a little embarrassing as I

> > have developed my own guidetube technique over the years.

Guidetubes

> > are seen as " training wheels " over here..

> > Attilio, and anyone who's done Clinic in China, a question..

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> > How did you find a way to take advantage of an educational

situation

> > which has a lot to be desired and still learn a lot?

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> Hi Skip and all,

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> Lea made some good points- Lea, did you study in Nanjing?

> If you complain, make sure you know who you're complaining to. The

Belgian

> group complained to Nanjing TCM uni on several occasions, and that

was the

> only way things would change. The students were not allowed to

needle after

> a few days of clinic, so the supervisor went to complain to the

principal.

> First there was some anger, but when the Belgian supervisor

threatened to go

> to another city, the problems evaporated quickly. From the next day

onwards,

> all students were allowed to needle.

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> There are translation problems, and the best way to get around this

is to

> learn Mandarin yourself. Which I understand may not be an option.

However,

> many old doctors will appreciate you learning the language and the

cullture,

> including following their habits, and only then let you in on their

small

> group of students. In other words, in China you have to earn their

respect.

> Bringing some oranges or apples for the doctor, inviting him and

his wife

> for dinner,...are all ways you can earn his respect. In China,

students will

> accept anything their teacher " gives " to them, and almost never

question

> what he says directly. Students stand by the side, hand the doctor

his

> needles, and write down what he says. Doctors seem to appreciate

this, and

> after you have done this for a while, they may start to trust you

even more,

> and tell you more about their hard-earned clinical experience. They

might

> give you a line from the classics and ask you to look it up and

tell him

> what you think about that line.

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> Like Lea, I would encourage you to look around and go to different

> departments, if possible. In the beginning though, in one

department I would

> think that: " I know what they're doing here, I've seen that " . I

found that I

> was wrong. Doctors that were practicing cookbook acupuncture

sometimes would

> say things that revealed a much more profound knowledge than I

though they

> had. It doesn't always show in what they do, or how we perceive it.

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> Best regards,

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