low hydraulic resistance points in acupuncture

[Guest guest]

Hi Alex,

 

> Phil and others, Can you explain what " hydraulic resistance " has to do

> with acu. points? This study looks important but I can't figure out.

> Please help.

 

I wrote to the author and await a reply:

> Dear Professor Xie, The abstract of your paper is interesting: " Xie HH,

> Zhang WB, Tian YY, Li H, Gu SZ. [Diuretic effect of injecting

> furosemide into low hydraulic resistance point Shuifen along the

> conception meridian in pigs with acute edema.][Article in Chinese]

> Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Xue Bao. 2007 Jan;5(1):78-82. Department of

> Acupuncture, Beijing Chaoyang Hospital, Capital Medical University,

> Beijing 100020, China.E- mail: prof. Objective: To

> observe whether injection of medicine into low hydraulic resistance

> point along meridian brings about higher medicinal effect and to

> explore the efficacy of the theory that meridians are made up of

> channels featuring low hydraulic resistance by observing the diuretic

> effect of injecting furosemide or saline into the low hydraulic

> resistance point Shuifen (CV 9), vein and Zusanli (St 36) respectively.

> Methods: Acute edema was induced in pigs by rapid intravenous injection

> of 2 000 ml normal saline. The pigs were divided into four groups:

> Shuifen (CV 9) injection of half dose furosemide group (SFF group),

> intravenous injection of full dose furosemide group (VF group), Zusanli

> (St 36) injection of full dose furosemide group (ZSLF group), and

> Shuifen (CV 9) injection of half dose normal saline group (SFS group).

> The accumulated urine quantity and the urine quantity generated in

> every 15- minute period were measured in each group respectively, every

> 15 minutes after injection, and the measurement lasted for two hours at

> one experiment. Each group involved eight times of experiments with one

> pig used for one experiment, which means the whole observation involved

> 32 times of experiments. Results: The accumulated urine quantities

> observed in both SFF group and VF group were higher than those in the

> ZSLF group and the SFS group all through the measurement, showing

> significant differences during the period from the 15th minute to the

> 45th minute (P<0.05). But no significant difference was observed

> between the SFF group and the VF group during the whole 2-hour

> measurement (P>0.05). Analysis of urine quantity generated in every

> 15-minute period showed that diuretic effect climaxed during the 15th

> minute to the 30th minute in both SFF group and VF group. By contrast,

> ZSLF group reached diuresis climax during the 45th minute to 60th

> minute and no diuresis climax was observed in the SFS group all through

> the measurement. Conclusion: Injection of medicine into low hydraulic

> resistance point along meridian generates faster and more powerful

> medicinal potency, and this is likely to be applied to clinical

> practice. The theory that meridians are channels featuring low

> hydraulic resistance is important to the elucidation of meridians.

> PMID: 17214942 [PubMed - in process] "

 

I asked:

 

(1) What do you mean by " low hydraulic resistance point " in your work? I

have not heard of that phenomenon before in relation to acupuncture points.

I would appreciate your explanation, and how you measure or identify " low

hydraulic resistance points " .

 

(2) Also, does that phenomenon apply to all acupuncture points that you

have studied? Is it confined to points on the 14 main Channels, or does it

include new and strange acupoints outside of the Channel System?

 

Best regards,

 

[Guest guest]

this is written in very confusing language. i know what they did is simple,

but they're description is so complicated i'm still trying to figure out

their findings after several reads: VF SSF, ZSF. . .

 

i know hydraulic refers to water, i'm guessing they're using moisture as a

measure measurement of skin resistance at points, possibly as point locators

measure DC (direct current) resistance.

 

just a shot in the dark at a possible explanation.

 

k

 

 

On 1/15/07, < wrote:

>

> Hi Alex,

>

> > Phil and others, Can you explain what " hydraulic resistance " has to do

> > with acu. points? This study looks important but I can't figure out.

> > Please help.

>

> I wrote to the author and await a reply:

> > Dear Professor Xie, The abstract of your paper is interesting: " Xie HH,

> > Zhang WB, Tian YY, Li H, Gu SZ. [Diuretic effect of injecting

> > furosemide into low hydraulic resistance point Shuifen along the

> > conception meridian in pigs with acute edema.][Article in Chinese]

> > Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Xue Bao. 2007 Jan;5(1):78-82. Department of

> > Acupuncture, Beijing Chaoyang Hospital, Capital Medical University,

> > Beijing 100020, China.E- mail: prof<prof%40jingluo.com.cn>.

> Objective: To

> > observe whether injection of medicine into low hydraulic resistance

> > point along meridian brings about higher medicinal effect and to

> > explore the efficacy of the theory that meridians are made up of

> > channels featuring low hydraulic resistance by observing the diuretic

> > effect of injecting furosemide or saline into the low hydraulic

> > resistance point Shuifen (CV 9), vein and Zusanli (St 36) respectively.

> > Methods: Acute edema was induced in pigs by rapid intravenous injection

> > of 2 000 ml normal saline. The pigs were divided into four groups:

> > Shuifen (CV 9) injection of half dose furosemide group (SFF group),

> > intravenous injection of full dose furosemide group (VF group), Zusanli

> > (St 36) injection of full dose furosemide group (ZSLF group), and

> > Shuifen (CV 9) injection of half dose normal saline group (SFS group).

> > The accumulated urine quantity and the urine quantity generated in

> > every 15- minute period were measured in each group respectively, every

> > 15 minutes after injection, and the measurement lasted for two hours at

> > one experiment. Each group involved eight times of experiments with one

> > pig used for one experiment, which means the whole observation involved

> > 32 times of experiments. Results: The accumulated urine quantities

> > observed in both SFF group and VF group were higher than those in the

> > ZSLF group and the SFS group all through the measurement, showing

> > significant differences during the period from the 15th minute to the

> > 45th minute (P<0.05). But no significant difference was observed

> > between the SFF group and the VF group during the whole 2-hour

> > measurement (P>0.05). Analysis of urine quantity generated in every

> > 15-minute period showed that diuretic effect climaxed during the 15th

> > minute to the 30th minute in both SFF group and VF group. By contrast,

> > ZSLF group reached diuresis climax during the 45th minute to 60th

> > minute and no diuresis climax was observed in the SFS group all through

> > the measurement. Conclusion: Injection of medicine into low hydraulic

> > resistance point along meridian generates faster and more powerful

> > medicinal potency, and this is likely to be applied to clinical

> > practice. The theory that meridians are channels featuring low

> > hydraulic resistance is important to the elucidation of meridians.

> > PMID: 17214942 [PubMed - in process] "

>

> I asked:

>

> (1) What do you mean by " low hydraulic resistance point " in your work? I

> have not heard of that phenomenon before in relation to acupuncture

> points.

> I would appreciate your explanation, and how you measure or identify " low

> hydraulic resistance points " .

>

> (2) Also, does that phenomenon apply to all acupuncture points that you

> have studied? Is it confined to points on the 14 main Channels, or does it

>

> include new and strange acupoints outside of the Channel System?

>

> Best regards,

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Phil and all:

 

I might have a bit of info on that...I believe that

hydraulic resistance is a different or more inclusive

term for research that has focussed on the effects of

water clusters, and how they might provide a

semi-physical basis for the channels and collaterals

and their connections to the internal organs - and

more!

 

Dr. Shui Yin Lo in The Biophysics Basis for

Acupuncture and Health:

" [A] water cluster is defined as approximately 10^9

water molecules combining to form a ‘cluster’ that is

a dipole, i.e., negatively charged on one end and

positively charged on the other. When these clusters

are stimulated by acupuncture needles, heat, sound,

electromagnetic waves, electric fields, and or sound

waves are generated. These waves travel through the

meridian to various organs that resonate with similar

water clusters in that organ. "

 

Other references:

Acupuncturetoday - intro article by S YinLo:

http://tinyurl.com/yha6qo

Amazon link to above book:

http://www.amazon.com/Biophysics-Basis-Acupuncture-Health/dp/0974826103

Low Resonant Frequency Storage...

http://www.cie-gnyc.org/convention_2003/poster/pan.pdf

A review of current research in microwave resonance...

http://tinyurl.com/ycb2k6

 

I've left my personal opinion below for those who are

interested:

 

In my opinion, research and development in this area

is closest to what I've learned through my tradition,

and what I believe CCM teaches. It has been evident to

me from my personal experience with Qi Gong and

Chinese martial arts, both internal and external, that

there is a very important aspect of Qi that is water.

This is evident not only from how tissue changes in

reaction to iron body practices, but also in how power

is generated in internal practices.

 

" Qi " can also be described as " influence " (Unschuld's

word of choice), and that influence is part and parcel

with a substrate, or carrier. Qi can be considered a

yang aspect rooted in its yin counterpart, in this

case, body fluids.

 

A healthy body with well-flowing water can extrude Qi

from the body with good coherence, focus and control.

But a body with stagnant water cannot extrude much qi

at all, and a dry body extrudes Qi in an uncontrolled

and excessive fashion (flaming Qi). Having good Qi is

also equivalent to having good Xue, and the muscles,

sinews and tendons become supple and limber as a

result. They can then produce good bounce power, for

example. Low Qi and weak Xue will lead to dry and

stiff muscles, sinews and tendons, highly reducing

bounce power in this example. Therefore, having clear,

flowing fluid in the body is essential for the proper

functioning of " Qi " .

 

I am happy to read research that is touching upon

this topic, since my teacher also predicted that the

triple warmer (water and energy passage) was going to

be the next great discovery in the modern health

sciences. I believe we are witnessing the beginnings

of a western- scientific concession to the relity of

the Triple Warmer as a physical organ exacly as

described in the classics.

 

This is a much more exciting avenue of research for

me than the (very boring) research on biochemicals,

nerves, or even the more exciting (but still somewhat

disconnected) research on bioelectric fields (although

Sheldrake's morphogenetic fields are a little more

interesting).

 

Hugo

 

--- < wrote:

 

> (1) What do you mean by " low hydraulic resistance

> point " in your work? I

> have not heard of that phenomenon before in relation

> to acupuncture points.

> I would appreciate your explanation, and how you

> measure or identify " low

> hydraulic resistance points " .

>

> (2) Also, does that phenomenon apply to all

> acupuncture points that you

> have studied? Is it confined to points on the 14

> main Channels, or does it

> include new and strange acupoints outside of the

> Channel System?

>

> Best regards,

>

 

 

 

 

 

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