chronic feline sinusitus

January 17, 2007

drs. phil and sagiv et al, my ~16yo mixed breed spayed cat's had sinusitus since

last winter. last summer she a physical. her lungs, heart sounded good. tsh,

liver, renal enzymes were very good. her wt was already down from previous. she

used to be slightly pudgy, tho homeopathy that. hx: inflammatory bowel, scoped

yrs ago, confirmed duodenal inflammation. occ. loose stools now, mostly resolved

w/ homeopathy, quality diet. ~75% blind, neuro in origin. she's so sweet, but

awful to pill-once a vet sent us home w/ valium for the next trip. rescue remedy

has no effect:) i adopted at vet hosp. where i worked during school, came in as

stray, 2-3yo per dental exam. 2nd companion cat of many yrs passed october '05

at 20yo. have tx'd w/ natrum muriaticum, natrum sulphuricum, bi yan pian,

pinellia expectorant pills. bi yan pian did more than others, didn't resolve it,

could tell a difference. cats don't eat well stuffed up. she doesn't groom well.

any help will be appreciated. thanks

much! lynn

January 17, 2007

Be careful giving cats herbs. Their livers are different than other mammals

since their lineage is so ancient. Just because something is safe for a human,

it may not be so for a cat. Also, be very careful with patents. many versions of

bi yan pian have been shown to have drugs in them. have you tried catnip mixed

in the with the food? it is an aromatic mint family plant well tolerated by

felines. I think they also tolerate other mints, so huo xiang might be an option

as well. I have given that to my my cats without ill effect. same with bo he.

try granules of huo xiang single herb. work up to the upper end of the dose

range and adjust for body weight.

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" J. Lynn Detamore " <lynndetamore

> drs. phil and sagiv et al, my ~16yo mixed breed spayed cat's had sinusitus

since

> last winter. last summer she a physical. her lungs, heart sounded good. tsh,

> liver, renal enzymes were very good. her wt was already down from previous.

she

> used to be slightly pudgy, tho homeopathy that. hx: inflammatory bowel, scoped

> yrs ago, confirmed duodenal inflammation. occ. loose stools now, mostly

resolved

> w/ homeopathy, quality diet. ~75% blind, neuro in origin. she's so sweet, but

> awful to pill-once a vet sent us home w/ valium for the next trip. rescue

remedy

> has no effect:) i adopted at vet hosp. where i worked during school, came in

as

> stray, 2-3yo per dental exam. 2nd companion cat of many yrs passed october '05

> at 20yo. have tx'd w/ natrum muriaticum, natrum sulphuricum, bi yan pian,

> pinellia expectorant pills. bi yan pian did more than others, didn't resolve

it,

> could tell a difference. cats don't eat well stuffed up. she doesn't groom

well.

> any help will be appreciated. thanks

> much! lynn

January 17, 2007

Hi Lynn,

It will be a part one of two answers for you -

To begin with - yrs ago it was really hard to find in vet clinics many cats at

the age of 20 yrs old+ ,or dogs at the age of 17 yrs old+, but what we found

over the yrs is that " complementary and alternative veterinary " (CAVM) clinics

turned to be geriatric cats & dogs (as well stands for horses at the age of 30

yrs old+) type of clinics.

From our last check up in our clinic statistics we found that about 25%(!) of

our clinics' clients are above these mentioned ages, compare to western-only

type of vet clinics that you find there only small % of really geriatric dogs &

cats (~5-10%), and you can hardly find there cats at the age of 25 yrs old or

dogs at the age of 20 yrs old in western-only type of vet clinics.

It seems that the type of medicine(CAVM), the type of owners (more correct to

say human-family-members, because after living with a cat for 25 yrs it means

that you are not " an owner " [maybe it is in the eyes of the law] anymore, you and

the cat are family members) etc are really giving the edge for good health &

longevity.

So - there we are, with a lovely relatively middle aged cat that was given

homeopathic remedies not very successful.

When one is doing proving of homeopathic remedies usually it means that the

remedy under the proving procedure should be absorbed directly into the blood

stream and have it actions. That's why - when we check up for proving & later

for therapy we should keep the remedy under the tongue(as people) or let it

absorbed from there into the blood stream. When one usually is giving the remedy

to a cat directly into the mouth usually what happens is that it is going to the

gastrointestinal system(GI) and from there absorbed and pass the liver. If it

passes before spreading all over the body we have " first pass effect " , and since

the remedy was chosen maybe correctly/maybe wrongly is hard to evaluate (if at

all) its effects. I really hope I mad my point clear :-)

So, what to do when one would like to use homeopathic remedies for cats?

two options - the first and easy one - put the remedy in a spray bottle & spray

the cat with it all over its body, especially in area that are easy for him/her

to lick (paws, abdomen etc ), and then the cat will lick it, and the remedy will

absorbed through the way it should be, and you will be able to evaluate it for

better or worse etc. I know that Samuel Hahnemann himself talked about it (many

of his students in were using homeopathy for their animals).

The second option (that I like personally the most, and hopefully Dr. Phil

Rogers, a great person & a wonderful veterinarian, will be able to put on his

co-op web site an article of mine on the issue) is Homeosiniatry= the

combination of homeopathy & TCM, that is to say - injection of small quantities

of sterile homeopathic remedies diluted in 0.9% Saline into acupts, both chosen

to have the same clinical pictures e.g into CV-12 ipecac homeopathically diluted

for vomit due to Stomach problem according to Homeopathy and the same stands for

TCM (ST rebellious Qi).

All you have to do is to make your diagnosis, choose the aims, accordingly the

acupts and the remedy, dip the needle in the remedy and insert into the pts.

In cats usually we use seirin type of needle in a fly techniques(15 mm=1/2 cun,

0.2 mm dia, without tube).

The second part of this email will be on this list only if you and others would

like to have more on it, because after all it is a TCM list and I am the last

person on earth that would like to add data & burden.

Sagiv.

Dr. Sagiv Ben-Yakir

BSC DVM(in honor) MRCVS CVA(IVAS)

benyakir

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J. Lynn Detamore

Cc: Chinese Traditional Medicine

Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:31 AM

chronic feline sinusitus

drs. phil and sagiv et al, my ~16yo mixed breed spayed cat's had sinusitus

since last winter. last summer she a physical. her lungs, heart sounded good.

tsh, liver, renal enzymes were very good. her wt was already down from previous.

she used to be slightly pudgy, tho homeopathy that. hx: inflammatory bowel,

scoped yrs ago, confirmed duodenal inflammation. occ. loose stools now, mostly

resolved w/ homeopathy, quality diet. ~75% blind, neuro in origin. she's so

sweet, but awful to pill-once a vet sent us home w/ valium for the next trip.

rescue remedy has no effect:) i adopted at vet hosp. where i worked during

school, came in as stray, 2-3yo per dental exam. 2nd companion cat of many yrs

passed october '05 at 20yo. have tx'd w/ natrum muriaticum, natrum sulphuricum,

bi yan pian, pinellia expectorant pills. bi yan pian did more than others,

didn't resolve it, could tell a difference. cats don't eat well stuffed up. she

doesn't groom well. any help will be appreciated. thanks

much! lynn

January 17, 2007

Hi All,

Sagiv wrote:

> ... will be able to put on his co-op web site an article

> of mine on the issue) is Homeosiniatry the combination of homeopathy &

> TCM ...

The article in question will be published soon on the Web Journal of

Acupuncture [ http://users.med.auth.gr/~karanik/english/webjour.htm ].

Meanwhile, I have mounted a copy on the FILES area of the list at

http://health.Chinese Medicine

Look for:

Homeosiniatry in modern veterinary practice.doc

Homeosiniatry in Modern Veterinary Practice (by Sagiv Ben Yakir DVM)

The file name is:

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/EFauRSHvp4tcP2P5eD1yB1Eda_pKOLAoW8l

RUZY_tcl2PI25hGqmZvZu394niWEDIXM7WM2AkOBCKG1ID6k6VfMT2JQ

vT-E/Homeosiniatry%20in%20modern%20veterinary%20practice.doc

I will delete that file from the list when it shall appear on the Web Journal of

Acupuncture.

Best regards,

January 17, 2007

With all due respect to our non-human friends and the originator of this thread,

Is there not a more appropriate group to post veterinaria case

inquiries to, and even if not, is this really the focus of this

group? The occasional anecdote is entertaining, but dear moderator,

please remind us, (re?)define for us, what it is that we here are in

for.

-Paul Gamache

January 18, 2007

todd, thank u for the formula suggestions. thank u, too, yes, i know well about

cat livers. in fact, cats are dosed half per kilo vs dogs for drugs, so i

assumed that 4 herbs. that's just one reason i've more often used homeopathy

with my pets. i also had more than one sweet rat, yes, i hear some groans, who

lived longer than they would have otherwise, and better, with homeopathy. thanks

again, todd. lynn

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