Re:TCM- chronic feline sinusitus

January 18, 2007

dr sagiv, thank u for your reply. i will be happy to read your article, tho i

may not be able to download it for a couple days. yes, i do understand re: hom

remedies! i have tx'd her successfully in prior times. oh, the nat mur did help

her neuro sx-she'd been less well oriented for a while-i hadn't rarranged, more

reticent to jump over things in her way, acting 'more blind than usual.' that

cleared up quite well. she also seemed more sociable again, since our other

companion passed. but not her nose, so i didn't repeat. i think she may have

some gingivitis, but want to improve her sinuses before teeth cleaning. i left

out food: i just switched her to a green pea+venison food, tho it's 32%

protein dry, 9% canned. it's the 1st canned she's liked in quite a while. thank

you again, dr sagiv. lynn

[benyakir] wrote:

Hi Lynn,

It will be a part one of two answers for you -

To begin with - yrs ago it was really hard to find in vet clinics many cats at

the age of 20 yrs old+ ,or dogs at the age of 17 yrs old+, but what we found

over the yrs is that " complementary and alternative veterinary " (CAVM) clinics

turned to be geriatric cats & dogs (as well stands for horses at the age of 30

yrs old+) type of clinics.

From our last check up in our clinic statistics we found that about 25%(!) of

our clinics' clients are above these mentioned ages, compare to western-only

type of vet clinics that you find there only small % of really geriatric dogs &

cats (~5-10%), and you can hardly find there cats at the age of 25 yrs old or

dogs at the age of 20 yrs old in western-only type of vet clinics.

It seems that the type of medicine(CAVM), the type of owners (more correct to

say human-family-members, because after living with a cat for 25 yrs it means

that you are not " an owner " [maybe it is in the eyes of the law] anymore, you and

the cat are family members) etc are really giving the edge for good health &

longevity.

So - there we are, with a lovely relatively middle aged cat that was given

homeopathic remedies not very successful.

When one is doing proving of homeopathic remedies usually it means that the

remedy under the proving procedure should be absorbed directly into the blood

stream and have it actions. That's why - when we check up for proving & later

for therapy we should keep the remedy under the tongue(as people) or let it

absorbed from there into the blood stream. When one usually is giving the remedy

to a cat directly into the mouth usually what happens is that it is going to the

gastrointestinal system(GI) and from there absorbed and pass the liver. If it

passes before spreading all over the body we have " first pass effect " , and since

the remedy was chosen maybe correctly/maybe wrongly is hard to evaluate (if at

all) its effects. I really hope I mad my point clear :-)

So, what to do when one would like to use homeopathic remedies for cats?

two options - the first and easy one - put the remedy in a spray bottle & spray

the cat with it all over its body, especially in area that are easy for him/her

to lick (paws, abdomen etc ), and then the cat will lick it, and the remedy will

absorbed through the way it should be, and you will be able to evaluate it for

better or worse etc. I know that Samuel Hahnemann himself talked about it (many

of his students in were using homeopathy for their animals).

The second option (that I like personally the most, and hopefully Dr. Phil

Rogers, a great person & a wonderful veterinarian, will be able to put on his

co-op web site an article of mine on the issue) is Homeosiniatry= the

combination of homeopathy & TCM, that is to say - injection of small quantities

of sterile homeopathic remedies diluted in 0.9% Saline into acupts, both chosen

to have the same clinical pictures e.g into CV-12 ipecac homeopathically diluted

for vomit due to Stomach problem according to Homeopathy and the same stands for

TCM (ST rebellious Qi).

All you have to do is to make your diagnosis, choose the aims, accordingly the

acupts and the remedy, dip the needle in the remedy and insert into the pts.

In cats usually we use seirin type of needle in a fly techniques(15 mm=1/2 cun,

0.2 mm dia, without tube).

The second part of this email will be on this list only if you and others would

like to have more on it, because after all it is a TCM list and I am the last

person on earth that would like to add data & burden.

Sagiv.

Dr. Sagiv Ben-Yakir

BSC DVM(in honor) MRCVS CVA(IVAS)

benyakir

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J. Lynn Detamore

Cc: Chinese Traditional Medicine

Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:31 AM

chronic feline sinusitus

drs. phil and sagiv et al, my ~16yo mixed breed spayed cat's had sinusitus

since last winter. last summer she a physical. her lungs, heart sounded good.

tsh, liver, renal enzymes were very good. her wt was already down from previous.

she used to be slightly pudgy, tho homeopathy that. hx: inflammatory bowel,

scoped yrs ago, confirmed duodenal inflammation. occ. loose stools now, mostly

resolved w/ homeopathy, quality diet. ~75% blind, neuro in origin. she's so

sweet, but awful to pill-once a vet sent us home w/ valium for the next trip.

rescue remedy has no effect:) i adopted at vet hosp. where i worked during

school, came in as stray, 2-3yo per dental exam. 2nd companion cat of many yrs

passed october '05 at 20yo. have tx'd w/ natrum muriaticum, natrum sulphuricum,

bi yan pian, pinellia expectorant pills. bi yan pian did more than others,

didn't resolve it, could tell a difference. cats don't eat well stuffed up. she

doesn't groom well. any help will be appreciated.

thanks

much! lynn

January 18, 2007

Hi Lynn, as you remember I wrote at the end of my previous email>>The second

part of this email will be on this list only if you and others would like to

have more on it, because after all it is a TCM list and I am the last person on

earth that would like to add data & burden.<<

and later I found the attached below post >>With all due respect to our

non-human friends and the originator of this thread,

Is there not a more appropriate group to post veterinaria case

inquiries to, and even if not, is this really the focus of this

group? The occasional anecdote is entertaining, but dear moderator,

please remind us, (re?)define for us, what it is that we here are in

for.-Paul Gamache<<

so, as it seems I was right in my remark, and as far as I concern - it will be

the end of animal issue for me.

Sagiv.

( thou - I do know that in other CAVM vets list that I am part of - there are MD

and other human medicine team members,

and questions & answers regarding human medicine are coming at least once every

few days, and there is a flow of clinical studies in animals that support human

TCM and vice versa for the enrichment of all of us, but than again - we have to

consider seriously the ramification of different specific list members wishes,

with all the respect, sagiv.

Dr. Sagiv Ben-Yakir

BSC DVM(in honor) MRCVS CVA(IVAS)

benyakir

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J. Lynn Detamore

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:25 PM